Paypal taken to court?

[2002mjf]

Hi, I have been reading threads here and at other forums over the past couple of years about Paypal always taking the side of scammers due to their policy of "non-tangible" items, and was wondering if anyone has ever heard of anybody taking Paypal to court? After all, ownership of domains is verified by the registrar, so IMHO, if you own a domain, it is your legal property.

[fab]

Oh, you got me excited. I thought based upon your title that you were actually reporting on a case where paypal was taken to court. Too bad I missed the question mark!

[Acro]

Originally Posted by fab

Too bad I missed the question mark!

Here's a free one for you

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[stewie]

Only problem with taking them to court is how much it would cost,,, and what are you trying to recover ... you would have to weight it out. It would be good to set a standard case but... I don't have the bucks to tangle with Paypal, and Im sure in those contracts we agreed too that we didnt read there is a lot of fine print.

JMO

[Albert Tai]

Originally Posted by stewie

Only problem with taking them to court is how much it would cost,,, and what are you trying to recover ... you would have to weight it out. It would be good to set a standard case but... I don't have the bucks to tangle with Paypal, and Im sure in those contracts we agreed too that we didnt read there is a lot of fine print.

JMO

Good idea.
Ebay has been sued already 2-3 times this year and lost the 2 times.
They had to pay millions.
People were selling fake brands on ebay and then the buyer sued ebay.
As ebay was the broker they had responsiblities.
Mhmmmmmm paypal is ebay's so someone should sue them.
Cost alot though.

[Domagon]

Originally Posted by 2002mjf

Hi, I have been reading threads here and at other forums over the past couple of years about Paypal always taking the side of scammers due to their policy of "non-tangible" items, and was wondering if anyone has ever heard of anybody taking Paypal to court?

PayPal (Ebay) is frequently sued regarding various issues, and has lost some. So they're not untouchable.

On a related note, some domainers who sell via PayPal, will send the buyer the login / transfer details by postal mail as per PayPal / eBay SPP guidelines (delivery confirmation for under $250; signature confirmation $250+) to the delivery address shown on the "Ship To" screen.

There a lot to SPP, and it keeps changing - in general, eBay transactions seem to afford more protection to both buyer and seller; more countries covered.

Rambling on, but in a nutshell, some domainers will send the login / transfer info via regular mail, which in a dispute becomes the tangible item, which is typically covered - no guarantee this approach will work in one's favor in a dispute, but it has for some domainers.

Originally Posted by 2002mjf

After all, ownership of domains is verified by the registrar, so IMHO, if you own a domain, it is your legal property.

Not exactly. Read up on real estate title insurance...

Even though one may have a Deed to their home, that doesn't mean the person necessarily owns it free and clear - and hence the need (often required by mortgage lenders) to research ownership, and insure against the unlikely, but possible threat of another person claiming ownership, disputing boundaries, etc of the property sometime in the future.

Point is that registrars often have no way to truly verify ownership, and related issues (ie. TMs), of a domain, in particular, for domains that have existed for awhile...

Registrars simply register domains - they generally don't take responsibility for verifying ownership; absolve themselves of such responsibilty and leave it to the parties to deal with the problem on their own via negotiation, mediation, litigation, udrp, etc.

Ron

[copper]

Don't use it with someone you don't know.
In the beginning, Paypal was meant for easy way to send
and receive money between friends and families, I think.

[Albert Tai]

Originally Posted by copper

Don't use it with someone you don't know.
In the beginning, Paypal was meant for easy way to send
and receive money between friends and families, I think.

Most of the time if you deal with people with itraders and good rep it's hard to get scammed.
And try to pay in small bits if the person lets you. This way if you do get scammed it's not alot of money.
Regards,
Al

[2002mjf]

Originally Posted by Domagon

Not exactly. Read up on real estate title insurance...

Even though one may have a Deed to their home, that doesn't mean the person necessarily owns it free and clear - and hence the need (often required by mortgage lenders) to research ownership, and insure against the unlikely, but possible threat of another person claiming ownership, disputing boundaries, etc of the property sometime in the future.

Ron

LOL.....So true....Not exactly what you are talking about but.....

I live in a National Park and at even owning a home here does not stop the government from seizing our land and property (It's only been done once in the past 40 years) That is the deal we sign that it is a "possibility" when you purchase here! Granted though, they would have to have a damn good reason, but they can.

As for paying with Paypal for domains, I was scammed once last year and I am a hell of a lot more careful when selling now. It's just a shame that there are sooooo many scamming, freak bastards out there that add worry to hard working people that are only trying to make an honest living.

[Doc]

It's high time paypal introduces domain escrow for small amounts like moneybookers.
Also they need to stop holding accounts hostage over small amounts like 10$ or so.(It's a pain to email them,everytime - The only reason why i don't accept paypal for small transactions.) OR they could atleast open up support centres in all the big countries they serve.

[aZooZa]

Nobody actually 'owns' domains per se. It's like a tenancy as opposed to a freehold.

[wmloz]

While forging a deal for a .cn name, was informed of this service:

http://www.goldenname.com/escrow

[aZooZa]

Interestingly, the paypalsucks.com forum has been dead for a while -- no posts for a couple of months or more -- strange?

[2002mjf]

Does Paypal have anyone on this forum to answer questions ? or do they avoid it like the plague?

[aZooZa]

PayPal to a forum as like boiling water to a chocolate teapot.

[2002mjf]

LOLOLOLOL: lol:

Originally Posted by aZooZa

PayPal to a forum as like boiling water to a chocolate teapot.

[copper]

Why would Paypal want anyone on Forums?
They are one of the most successful online business without it
whether you like it or not

[2002mjf]

Originally Posted by copper

Why would Paypal want anyone on Forums?
They are one of the most successful online business without it
whether you like it or not

To further their sparkling image. Also to extend a helping hand and lend a sympathetic ear to those who need it the most.....

[dominator]

Originally Posted by fab

Oh, you got me excited. I thought based upon your title that you were actually reporting on a case where paypal was taken to court. Too bad I missed the question mark!

me too