Recenly sold 3 domains

[joeny]

Hi Guys and gals

I recently sold three of my pharmacy domains , I paid $600 for them from members in the forum , which is fine

I posted the stats and the site was live when I sold the domains.

I needed cash for other projects like we all do , so I sold the domains at a really cheap price of $300 for all three. Which was ok with me

NOW , heres the problem The buyer after 2 weeks , not only went on vacation(he emailed me this) but said when he got back he was going to take the transfer of the admin panel , which was being used for the paharmacy, and put the sites on domain sponsor and drop the sites I HAD on there, so another words there was no more pharmacy , which I might add was on these domains for over 2 years.

Now 2 weeks later he is writing me Threating Pm's telling me he wants his money back because the traffic is not high enough...

Telling me refund my money or I will have you put in jail the whole nine.

My issue is The deal was a sold as is no refunds ,

The stats where clearly posted in the right forum ,

What do I do about this situation ...

Can anyone help me , or give me advice...

I have contacted a mod and they said just ignore it..

Some one please give me advice ,

Thanx Joe

[DNjet]

Sounds like he knew he was buying a website and not buying a traffic domain, ignore him.

[Focus]

I personally always keep 17 rounds handy just in case fyi
....ignore it/him, it would cost him 10 times what he paid you to do anything in court, and for what anyways? IF YOU DID NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. I'm sorry this happened to you, but some people have pipe dreams and when the smoke clears they are angry, if anyone expects to get rich overnight on a $300 group of names they are most likely already misled and this is bound to happen. Good luck dude..

Chris

[joeny]

I personally always keep 17 rounds handy just in case fyi
....ignore it/him, it would cost him 10 times what he paid you to do anything in court, and for what anyways? IF YOU DID NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. I'm sorry this happened to you, but some people have pipe dreams and when the smoke clears they are angry, if anyone expects to get rich overnight on a $300 group of names they are most likely already misled and this is bound to happen. Good luck dude..

Chris

Thanx guys , yea thats what I though as well

Joe :santa:

[Acro]

What were the domains and who is the buyer? There are 2 sides to a seller/buyer story.

[joeny]

What were the domains and who is the buyer? There are 2 sides to a seller/buyer story.

the domains where

www.allegropharmacy.com
www.allegropharmacy.net
www.Amerxica.com

The buyer was dog

Thanx

Joe

[SouthernTn]

Is this the sales thread? http://www.dnforum.com/f48/www-alleg...llegropharmacy

[joeny]

Is this the sales thread? http://www.dnforum.com/f48/www-alleg...llegropharmacy

Yes , that is the post.


Joe

[Dave Zan]

There are 2 sides to a seller/buyer story.

3 actually: yours, the other's, and the truth. :-D

Anyway, how many "expectations" were set in the first place?

[Domagon]

As others have said already, ignore him and keep the money...

Furthermore, it's likely best to not correspond with him at all at this point; ignore his emails (save all of them though for future reference).

With all that said, how did he pay? ... if it was PayPal, the saga may not be over ... it may only be beginning ... see http://www.paypalsucks.com/ for details of the dark side of PayPal.

Ron

[joeny]

As others have said already, ignore him and keep the money...

Furthermore, it's likely best to not correspond with him at all at this point; ignore his emails (save all of them though for future reference).

With all that said, how did he pay? ... if it was PayPal, the saga may not be over ... it may only be beginning ... see http://www.paypalsucks.com/ for details of the dark side of PayPal.

Ron

Ok, Thanks for the advice!

YES I learned the hard way once with paypal , I built a 15 page website for a guy with flash and then he turned around stole my graphix from the files and canceled the paypal and said he did the work that he wanted a refund and I lost.

Yea so I know all about the paypal blues

Joe

3 actually: yours, the other's, and the truth. :-D

Anyway, how many "expectations" were set in the first place?

As far as expectations , who knows , I listed everything in th sales thread ,

and he got the domains ,

He then put the domains on domain sponsor and dropped the pharmacy..

So I dont know what his plans were..

Heres what he wrote:

Originally Posted by dog

Originally Posted by dog
Joe - I'll contact you on the 15th to get the logos, templates, code etc. etc. In case I want to get the site back-up again.

[dog]

YES...There 'are' two sides to every story Joe... !!!

The three domains you posted for sale in the "Domains with Traffic" forum have almost no traffic!

Actually, the three domains combined have less than twenty visits (25) in the past fifteen days. Three of those visits were mine making sure I had pointed the domains properly.

The charts you provided and posted were obviously fabricated. To add insult to injury you also claimed and reiterated many times that two of the domains had visits of 200-600 per day. When I purchased these domains I explained exactly - I was looking for traffic domains not a pharmaceutical website. For a company that was in business for two years you must have done a banner business.

Some of the people on this forum have encouraged Joe to "ignore me and keep the money". I would encourage Joe to save his dnforum reputation and take his 'high' traffic domains back. If he paid so much money for them and gave me a such a great deal then he can certainly find another willing buyer for them on the forum - RIGHT???

On this forum I have witnessed somewhat of an underlying level of trust that occurs. This is necessary or business would break down. Joe and I set expectations and Joe fed alot of lies to close the deal.

Read below some of Joe's quotes taken directly from our correspendence;

"So basicly buying a domain for 250 with 400-600 visits a day is pretty good I think"

"the domain has been around for like 2 years so it is steady traffic ..."

Joe - If these domains had even half of the traffic you claimed I would walk away from this deal and call it done but, these domains are crap and the only conclusion I am drawing at this moment is that you went to great lengths to exploit a member of this forum.

Any more comments Joe? I'm still waiting for my refund and plan to pursue this further. You can take the high road - admit you made a mistake and send me a refund or further your bogus claims of a great deal.

- dog

[Acro]

It all comes down to:

1. What type of traffic proof was provided prior to the sale
2. Whether the buyer changed the parking/PPC engine e.g. from sedo to Fabulous etc
3. Whether there is an option to switch to regular syslogs & see if there is truly any traffic, where it comes from and to avoid potential blocking of it in the parking page scenario.

[GiantDomains]

For the record, I am the one joeny contacted, and I told him to ignore the threats of getting him banned, not the claims.

As for the claims, if the domains are not getting the traffic that he said they got, and it dramatically decreased for no apparent reason, the buyer should be offered a refund, in my opinion.

[Banned: slavahosting]

joeny post a copy of the stats you provided in the sales thread, and dog, post a copy of the stats you have in your PPC stats.

Even if site were to go offline, traffic would not fall from 400-600 uniques/day to 20-25, the visitors have no way of knowing that site has dissappeared until after they see it for themselves.

I think a refund is in order here if dog's story checks out.

[joeny]

For the record, I am the one joeny contacted, and I told him to ignore the threats of getting him banned, not the claims.

As for the claims, if the domains are not getting the traffic that he said they got, and it dramatically decreased for no apparent reason, the buyer should be offered a refund, in my opinion.

Ok, Welll I would like to see stats on the domain myself ,

I had stats but now there gone , cause he switched the dns

Dog>? Please post you traffic stats and revenue stats for the sites I sold you

[financialtraffic]

joeny post a copy of the stats you provided in the sales thread, and dog, post a copy of the stats you have in your PPC stats.

Even if site were to go offline, traffic would not fall from 400-600 uniques/day to 20-25, the visitors have no way of knowing that site has dissappeared until after they see it for themselves.

I think a refund is in order here if dog's story checks out.

The first rule is always, buyer beware. Just by looking at the domains I can easily tell that these domains are not likely at all to get 200-600 uniques a day unless they were link spammed all over the place.

Anyway, I believe it comes down to the stats, since these indeed were part of the sale. I tried to look at the stats link, but it appears that the stats are no longer hosted.

If the stats really did indicate 200-600 visits per day and the traffic after the transfer is not even 1/10th of that, then there was obviously some misrepresentation.

While you can say all sales are final, it certainly isn't going to help your reputation if your own stats point out that you sold something based on what it is not. In that case, a refund should be given, and the domain(s) transfered back.

[dog]

PM sent to JOENY with stats.

DS stats as indicated below...

"allegropharmacy.com"

Visitors
U.S. Visitors
Searches
Clicks
CTR
RPC
Revenue per 1,000 Visitors
PopUnder Revenue
Search Revenue
Total Revenue

Totals 57 37 11 7 12% $2.01 $249.29 $0.11 $14.10 $14.21

08/15/05 7 4 0 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.01 $0.00 $0.01
08/14/05 8 4 0 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.01 $0.00 $0.01
08/13/05 9 6 1 1 11% $0.49 $56.76 $0.02 $0.49 $0.51
08/12/05 7 6 1 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.01 $0.00 $0.01
08/11/05 5 4 2 2 40% $0.09 $36.17 $0.01 $0.17 $0.18
08/10/05 3 2 1 1 33% $4.63 $1544.60 $0.01 $4.63 $4.63
08/09/05 3 3 2 2 66% $2.88 $1923.40 $0.01 $5.76 $5.77
08/08/05 1 1 1 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
08/07/05 4 1 1 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.01 $0.00 $0.01
08/06/05 1 1 0 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
08/05/05 2 2 1 1 50% $3.04 $1524.00 $0.00 $3.04 $3.05
08/04/05 4 1 1 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.01 $0.00 $0.01
08/03/05 3 2 0 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.01 $0.00 $0.01
Totals 57 37 11 7 12% $2.01 $249.29 $0.11 $14.10 $14.21


"allegropharmacy.net"

Visitors
U.S. Visitors
Searches
Clicks
CTR
RPC
Revenue per 1,000 Visitors
PopUnder Revenue
Search Revenue
Total Revenue

Totals 3 2 0 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.01 $0.00 $0.01
08/14/05 1 0 0 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
08/13/05 1 1 0 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
08/04/05 1 1 0 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Totals 3 2 0 0 0% $0.00 $1.88 $0.01 $0.00 $0.01


"ameRXica.com"[U] - traffic pointed at allegropharmacy.com

[joeny]

Stats seem to show less traffic then when I had domain.

Will be issuing a Full refund.

Dog I pm ed you with the details ...

Sorry the domains didnt work....

To keep my dnforum name good I will be issuing a full refund!

Thanx

Joe

[Domagon]

deleted.

Buyer and Seller have resolved dispute.

Ron