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**zymic** · 07-20-2009, 06:08 AM

Hey,

I recently sold a 4 letter .com on eBay last night. The guy paid by PayPal, all was well, I sent the domain name, and then he did an 'unauthorized transaction' complaint and a chargeback. It looks to me that the buyer was using a stolen eBay and Paypal account. The domain now resides under an address in Turkey (and not Canada which was the address of the eBay and Paypal account).

I guess its the oldest trick in the book and I've fallen for it due to no proper Escrow. The domain is still with Godaddy and has not moved registrars.

Have I just lost the name 100%? Anything I can bother to try?

Thanks

**JayB** · 07-20-2009, 06:22 AM

Do you have screenshots?

**zymic** · 07-20-2009, 06:28 AM

Of what exactly?

Thanks

**exxe** · 07-20-2009, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zymic

The domain is still with Godaddy and has not moved registrars.

Unfortunately that doesn't help you much. AFAIK, GoDaddy won't do anything if you have pushed the domain yourself. They can take action only in the case your GoDaddy account is hacked and domain stolen.

**zymic** · 07-20-2009, 06:43 AM

Anyone fancy hacking my account then?

You can transfer a couple of my crap names to make it look real.

**JayB** · 07-20-2009, 06:50 AM

Screenshots of the paypal transaction, any email correspondence etc.

**zymic** · 07-20-2009, 07:03 AM

Domain name: LFFF.com
Ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=260445361955
Winning bidder: fingerz20
Email: fingerz20@hotmail.com
Correspondence: 1 | 2 | 3

Paypal receipt: http://i29.tinypic.com/2dwdvyf.jpg
Amount (pending): $511.00 USD
Transaction ID: 6TA61427R1013513U
Buyer's Email: antiflag202@hotmail.com
Shipping Details
Address:
3739 Bloomington Crescent
1932 Chemin de St-Jean
Mississauga, Canada

Chargeback/unauthorized claim: http://i32.tinypic.com/34ovksx.jpg

New owner: http://whois.sc/lfff.com
Jack Fingerz
jamal,45 street
Istanbul, 322400
Turkey

**exxe** · 07-20-2009, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zymic

New owner: http://whois.sc/lfff.com
Jack Fingerz
jamal,45 street
Istanbul, 322400
Turkey

You can report it because it uses fake info on the whois. That won't help you directly though, but the thief will have hard times.

**JayB** · 07-20-2009, 07:10 AM

I would contact GoDaddy with this information, from what I can see, this is the only chance you will have of claiming your name back.

**draggar** · 07-20-2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayB

I would contact GoDaddy with this information, from what I can see, this is the only chance you will have of claiming your name back.

Exactly - if its still with them you have a far better chance at getting it back than if you didn't.

Don't email, don't use a web forum, CALL THEM. People like to day you can't get the domain back but if you call them, that's the worst that'll happen leaving you where you are now - so at least it's an attempt to get it back.

**zymic** · 07-20-2009, 07:31 AM

I did send them an email, because it is more documented and let me paste links and details. I will phone them now but I've always assumed they don't help what so ever.

**JayB** · 07-20-2009, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zymic
Anyone fancy hacking my account then? You can transfer a couple of my crap names to make it look real.

Also, The case you are trying to resolve, is fraud. Making posts like this is defiantly not going to help. Just a word of warning

**exxe** · 07-20-2009, 07:34 AM

Yes, you should try calling them and explain the situation. You have nothing to lose.

Please keep us informed, I would love to see your domain back.

**zymic** · 07-20-2009, 07:34 AM

I guess jokes on the internet are not allowed.

**exxe** · 07-20-2009, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayB

Also, The case you are trying to resolve, is fraud. Making posts like this is defiantly not going to help. Just a word of warning

That should be taken as a joke

**JayB** · 07-20-2009, 07:42 AM

I respect that, but as GoDaddy employees are on this board, seeing such a comment, is not likely to help your case, even if it is in jest.

Again, just my 2 cents, hope you get your name back, keep us posted.

**zymic** · 07-20-2009, 07:47 AM

Called and the guy said "Best thing to do is to email undo@godaddy.com". Doing that now.

**JayB** · 07-20-2009, 07:51 AM

In chat if you would like to discuss anything

**zymic** · 07-20-2009, 07:56 AM

Thanks for the help guys, I have to go out and will update you all tonight if I get a response.

Are the any tips for eBay sellers to prevent this from happening? I have another domain mmmh.com for sale.

**JayB** · 07-20-2009, 07:58 AM

I believe if you accept payment via PayPal MassPay, its harder to reverse the payment. I will look into this for you.

Jay

I found this article on DotWeekly, explains 'MassPay' quite well.

Article Link

07-20-2009, 06:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
zymic Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-17-2009 10:20 AM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 331 DNF$: 616	Sold a domain on eBay buyer used stolen PayPal account ... Hey, I recently sold a 4 letter .com on eBay last night. The guy paid by PayPal, all was well, I sent the domain name, and then he did an 'unauthorized transaction' complaint and a chargeback. It looks to me that the buyer was using a stolen eBay and Paypal account. The domain now resides under an address in Turkey (and not Canada which was the address of the eBay and Paypal account). I guess its the oldest trick in the book and I've fallen for it due to no proper Escrow. The domain is still with Godaddy and has not moved registrars. Have I just lost the name 100%? Anything I can bother to try? Thanks __________________ Free Web Hosting

07-20-2009, 06:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
JayB Platinum Lifetime Member Name: John Last Online: 09-30-2009 03:27 PM iTrader: (19) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 823 DNF$: 0 Location: England Country:	Do you have screenshots? __________________ ImageGeek - Your Nerdy Image Host!

07-20-2009, 06:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
zymic Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-17-2009 10:20 AM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 331 DNF$: 616	Of what exactly? Thanks __________________ Free Web Hosting

07-20-2009, 06:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
zymic Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-17-2009 10:20 AM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 331 DNF$: 616	Anyone fancy hacking my account then? You can transfer a couple of my crap names to make it look real. __________________ Free Web Hosting

07-20-2009, 06:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
JayB Platinum Lifetime Member Name: John Last Online: 09-30-2009 03:27 PM iTrader: (19) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 823 DNF$: 0 Location: England Country:	Screenshots of the paypal transaction, any email correspondence etc. __________________ ImageGeek - Your Nerdy Image Host!

07-20-2009, 07:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
zymic Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-17-2009 10:20 AM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 331 DNF$: 616	Domain name: LFFF.com Ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=260445361955 Winning bidder: fingerz20 Email: fingerz20@hotmail.com Correspondence: 1 \| 2 \| 3 Paypal receipt: http://i29.tinypic.com/2dwdvyf.jpg Amount (pending): $511.00 USD Transaction ID: 6TA61427R1013513U Buyer's Email: antiflag202@hotmail.com Shipping Details Address: 3739 Bloomington Crescent 1932 Chemin de St-Jean Mississauga, Canada Chargeback/unauthorized claim: http://i32.tinypic.com/34ovksx.jpg New owner: http://whois.sc/lfff.com Jack Fingerz jamal,45 street Istanbul, 322400 Turkey __________________ Free Web Hosting

07-20-2009, 07:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
JayB Platinum Lifetime Member Name: John Last Online: 09-30-2009 03:27 PM iTrader: (19) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 823 DNF$: 0 Location: England Country:	I would contact GoDaddy with this information, from what I can see, this is the only chance you will have of claiming your name back. __________________ ImageGeek - Your Nerdy Image Host!

07-20-2009, 07:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
zymic Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-17-2009 10:20 AM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 331 DNF$: 616	I did send them an email, because it is more documented and let me paste links and details. I will phone them now but I've always assumed they don't help what so ever. __________________ Free Web Hosting

07-20-2009, 07:34 AM	#13 (permalink)
exxe Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Andrei Last Online: Today 03:55 PM iTrader: (13) Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 658 DNF$: 211 Location: Europe Country:	Yes, you should try calling them and explain the situation. You have nothing to lose. Please keep us informed, I would love to see your domain back.

07-20-2009, 07:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
zymic Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-17-2009 10:20 AM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 331 DNF$: 616	I guess jokes on the internet are not allowed. __________________ Free Web Hosting

07-20-2009, 07:42 AM	#16 (permalink)
JayB Platinum Lifetime Member Name: John Last Online: 09-30-2009 03:27 PM iTrader: (19) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 823 DNF$: 0 Location: England Country:	I respect that, but as GoDaddy employees are on this board, seeing such a comment, is not likely to help your case, even if it is in jest. Again, just my 2 cents, hope you get your name back, keep us posted. __________________ ImageGeek - Your Nerdy Image Host!

07-20-2009, 07:47 AM	#17 (permalink)
zymic Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-17-2009 10:20 AM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 331 DNF$: 616	Called and the guy said "Best thing to do is to email undo@godaddy.com". Doing that now. __________________ Free Web Hosting

07-20-2009, 07:51 AM	#18 (permalink)
JayB Platinum Lifetime Member Name: John Last Online: 09-30-2009 03:27 PM iTrader: (19) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 823 DNF$: 0 Location: England Country:	In chat if you would like to discuss anything __________________ ImageGeek - Your Nerdy Image Host!

07-20-2009, 07:56 AM	#19 (permalink)
zymic Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-17-2009 10:20 AM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 331 DNF$: 616	Thanks for the help guys, I have to go out and will update you all tonight if I get a response. Are the any tips for eBay sellers to prevent this from happening? I have another domain mmmh.com for sale. __________________ Free Web Hosting

07-20-2009, 07:58 AM	#20 (permalink)
JayB Platinum Lifetime Member Name: John Last Online: 09-30-2009 03:27 PM iTrader: (19) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 823 DNF$: 0 Location: England Country:	I believe if you accept payment via PayPal MassPay, its harder to reverse the payment. I will look into this for you. Jay I found this article on DotWeekly, explains 'MassPay' quite well. Article Link __________________ ImageGeek - Your Nerdy Image Host! Last edited by JayB; 07-20-2009 at 08:06 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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