What the #%@%? Ethical behavior by a bunch of LAWYERS?!! - DNForum - Domain Sales, Domain Forum, Domain Appraisals, Domain Registrars

**JuniperPark** · 01-25-2007, 04:08 PM

I really try to avoid TM issues with my domain name purchases, but on occasion one slips by with 12,000 domains under my control. I received ZERO C&D notices in 2006... pretty good!

Monday of this week, the mailman knocks on my door and has me sign the green slips for a law firm I've never heard of... you know what that means. It's for a domain containing the word "Java", and Sun Microsystems is upset. I do some checking online and the a TM on a very simiilar domain phrase does exist, but by a totally different company. I pull up the page to see what ads Adsense is serving -- and see nothing related to EITHER of those companies.

Within the hour, I get an purchase order for Nolo.info, and I immediately accept because they matched my asking price. Then I notice the email address of the buyer is Nolo.com... Wait, I've bought their self-help books, they're a bunch of lawyers that publish books about things like protecting trademarks! Uh Oh...

I do some checking... Nolo is not a word in any other language, as I thought. crap. I check the TM... they have a USPTO reg'd TM on "Nolo". DOUBLE CRAP! I look at what Adsense is serving on the domain... competitive ads to the Nolo company... TRIPLE CRAP! I AM SCREWED!

Now I'm sure I've been set up for a UDRP. I peer through the peephole for the mailman with his green "RSVP for a Lawsuit" forms... all's quiet. That's odd.

Then, today, 3 days later... FULL PAYMENT.

I have to say that I am REALLY impressed that they didn't just bend me over and have their way with me. I'll certainly remember them when I see their books in the store or online, and I would encourage the rest of you to deal with ETHICAL companies like this.

Nolo.com, thank you!

**Rockefeller** · 01-25-2007, 04:10 PM

congrats on the sale.

**Devil Dog** · 01-25-2007, 06:52 PM

Great story. It's always good when things work out.
Not all lawyers are slime. [flamesuit on]

**Duckinla** · 01-25-2007, 07:26 PM

Are you sure that you are out of the woods?

**droplister** · 01-25-2007, 07:51 PM

Was the price more than a UDRP would cost? If the total price was less than legal fees im not surprised.

**Dave Zan** · 01-25-2007, 08:51 PM

How about sending a thank you note after making your next nolo purchase?

**DNQuest.com** · 01-26-2007, 09:58 AM

Great story.. it made me laugh.

Some companies do just buy the domain if they feel it is reasonable. It may happen more than people might think. I hope it goes well with java.

**JuniperPark** · 01-26-2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duckinla

Are you sure that you are out of the woods?

I assume so - just waiting for transfer from Escrow.com. I've not heard of a UDRP filing after a completed sale.

It was $1,499... so they saved $1

**jberryhill** · 01-27-2007, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Nolo is not a word in any other language

They took the name of their publishing company from the plea of "No lo contendere" - the charge is not contested, commonly called a "no lo" plea.

It was most famously made by Vice President Spiro Agnew in response to a charge of tax evasion. It is a guilty plea without admission.

You got lucky:

http://www.arb-forum.com/domains/decisions/831176.htm
Complainant is Nolo (“Complainant”), represented by Richard Stim, of Nolo, 950 Parker Street, Berkeley, CA 94710. Respondent is Domain Administration Limited c/o David Halstead (“Respondent”), PO Box 37410, Parnell Auckland, Auckland, VIC 1033, NZ.

REGISTRAR AND DISPUTED DOMAIN NAME(s)

The domain name at issue is <nololaw.com>, registered with Enom, Inc.
[...]
Complainant asserts rights in the NOLO.COM mark through registration with the USPTO. The Panel finds that Complainant’s registration and use of the NOLO.COM mark is sufficient to establish rights pursuant to Policy ¶ 4(a)(i).

**ParkQuick.com** · 01-28-2007, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jberryhill

You got lucky:
http://www.arb-forum.com/domains/decisions/831176.htm
The domain name at issue is <nololaw.com>, registered with Enom, Inc.[/I]
[...]

Or he priced it right.

Probably some of both.

NostraDomainus · 01-28-2007, 02:46 PM

Ehthics aside - just seems like a good business decision. Pay you nominal amount vs. time and money required to persure a UDRP or other action.

Congrats and thx for sharing!

Best Success in ALL Your Endeavours!

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JuniperPark Last Online: Yesterday 11:39 PM iTrader: (86) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,480 DNF$: 3,142 Location: San Diego, CA Country:	What the #%@%? Ethical behavior by a bunch of LAWYERS?!! I really try to avoid TM issues with my domain name purchases, but on occasion one slips by with 12,000 domains under my control. I received ZERO C&D notices in 2006... pretty good! Monday of this week, the mailman knocks on my door and has me sign the green slips for a law firm I've never heard of... you know what that means. It's for a domain containing the word "Java", and Sun Microsystems is upset. I do some checking online and the a TM on a very simiilar domain phrase does exist, but by a totally different company. I pull up the page to see what ads Adsense is serving -- and see nothing related to EITHER of those companies. Within the hour, I get an purchase order for Nolo.info, and I immediately accept because they matched my asking price. Then I notice the email address of the buyer is Nolo.com... Wait, I've bought their self-help books, they're a bunch of lawyers that publish books about things like protecting trademarks! Uh Oh... I do some checking... Nolo is not a word in any other language, as I thought. crap. I check the TM... they have a USPTO reg'd TM on "Nolo". DOUBLE CRAP! I look at what Adsense is serving on the domain... competitive ads to the Nolo company... TRIPLE CRAP! I AM SCREWED! Now I'm sure I've been set up for a UDRP. I peer through the peephole for the mailman with his green "RSVP for a Lawsuit" forms... all's quiet. That's odd. Then, today, 3 days later... FULL PAYMENT. I have to say that I am REALLY impressed that they didn't just bend me over and have their way with me. I'll certainly remember them when I see their books in the store or online, and I would encourage the rest of you to deal with ETHICAL companies like this. Nolo.com, thank you! __________________ *The only domain reseller BRAVE* enough to post prices: TheNameStore.com** ][

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