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| David | You have 2 years to develop your names or lose them according to NAF A really hard to believe domain loss decision by NAF ![]() "The Panel agrees with Complainant’s assertion that Respondent has not utilized the disputed domain name in an active manner, the Panel finds that Respondent engaged in bad faith registration and use under Policy ¶ 4(a)(iii). See Mondich v. Brown, D2000-0004 (WIPO Feb. 16, 2000) (holding that the respondent’s failure to develop its website in a two year period raises the inference of registration in bad faith); see also Caravan Club v. Mrgsale, FA 95314 (Nat. Arb. Forum Aug. 30, 2000) (finding that the respondent made no use of the domain name or website that connects with the domain name, and that [failure to make an active use] of a domain name permits an inference of registration and use in bad faith)." http://domain.adrforum.com/domains/d...ns/1246846.htm |
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| Platinum Lifetime Member Name: gv Last Online: Yesterday 11:43 PM iTrader: (3) Join Date: Aug 2007
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DNF$: 10,290 Location: kansas city
Country: | thats crazy... it like if you bought a piece of land and the local goverment say " build or lose you land" that's insane
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| Dances With Dogs Name: info [@] gerry.mobi Last Online: Today 02:34 AM iTrader: (73) Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 10,317
DNF$: 25,569
Country: | Very nice find and read. finding that the respondent made no use of the domain name or website that connects with the domain name, and that [failure to make an active use] of a domain name permits an inference of registration and use in bad faith." This could be damning and damaging. ...failure to make active use... I am not sure that this is a good decision or bad decision - that is why I have read this twice. The respondent contends that Deacom, Inc is the name of his business yet his WHOIS never included Deacom, Inc. Personally, I wonder if he submitted evidence to or simply stated that he had a business. The complainant showed that their TM first use was 1995 as well as Deacom, Inc. Respondent has not used the domain for any DEACOM-related business throughout the past year, but rather as a “transference site.” New term for parked page or redirections? From my take, this is why it is imperative that if you are going to be in domaining, form an LLC or something and use that name in all your Contact info. Most of all, I guess I better use my name as a site rather than an email like he did. |
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| The Evil Mod Name: Ed Last Online: Today 12:10 AM iTrader: (36) Join Date: Dec 2007
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DNF$: 183 Location: South Florida
Country: | Awesome! There are some undeveloped / parked .coms I'd like!! Time to file some cases! (note; Sarcasm)
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| The Evil Mod Name: Ed Last Online: Today 12:10 AM iTrader: (36) Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 8,367
DNF$: 183 Location: South Florida
Country: | computers.com forwards to cnet so it's obvious they're not using it. ![]()
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| Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-09-2009 02:12 PM iTrader: (3) Join Date: Dec 2008
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DNF$: 10 Location: Chicago | actually they can do this. My grandpa had a large chunk of land next to a forest preserve he owned for years. One day the government gave him the option of building a house on it with 3 years or it will be bought back at "fair market value" and added to forest preserve. |
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| Missing in action Name: Kate Last Online: Yesterday 04:42 PM iTrader: (41) Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,679
DNF$: 28,133 Location: .cz
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| Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Jay M Last Online: Yesterday 09:52 PM iTrader: (37) Join Date: Jan 2008
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DNF$: 10 Location: dont.net |
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| Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 02:57 AM iTrader: (394) Join Date: Feb 2004
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DNF$: 4,079 Location: USA
Country: | Did the respondent have a lawyer? No? Bad move. To establish activity you don't even need a website. It can be a POP3/mail server or an FTP host, a torrent seeder on various ports. What a bunch of NA****ers.
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| Philadelphia Lawyer | Quote:
The Respondent also had the bad luck to get Estella Gold as the single member panelist. She genuinely does not understand this stuff very well at all. The fact that it was registered to "Ben Dean" instead of his business name, cited as relevant, is kind of amusing when you find out that ICANN.org is registered to one of their tech people.
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| Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Marc J. Randazza Last Online: 11-16-2009 08:31 PM iTrader: (0) Join Date: Aug 2008
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DNF$: 10 Location: San Diego | Based on the facts, this seems to be a misapplication of 4(a)(ii). Back about 8-9 years ago, I thought that panels would trend toward saying that registration with the intent to engage in mere passive holding would be registration in bad faith. Hence the term cyber<b>squatting</b>. I saw a distinctly anti-speculation bent in the UDRP and in some early decisions. However, that trend doesn't seem to have run very deep -- although there are still panelists who accept it. Again, I think this particular Respondent got screwed - as you shouldn't necessarily need a <b>website</b> in order to be <b>using</b> a domain. I own randazza.com, but it just forwards to my blog. But, I have given dozens of relatives (and people who simply share my last name) free "randazza.com" email addresses. I'm interested in the philosophical issue here: Whether passive holding and speculation is a good thing, and perhaps this panelist might be on to something. That would be the 4(a)(iii) discussion -- and quite pertinent to the entire domaining industry, which thrives on speculation and passive holding. On one side, you have this resource -- and much like land in the old west, you could have it for cheap or for free if you put it to productive use. However, you couldn't just stake out a piece of land to sell it later on. On the other side, you have the argument (that John B. made quite persuasively somewhere) that speculation is an economic force that causes resources to find their actual value -- thus removing them from merely being used by the first guy to stake them out. Using the "land squatter" analogy -- someone might have been able to homestead a terribly unproductive farm on a piece of land that would be much better suited to a very productive factory. Of course, the practical lesson here is this: If you think your domain is worth something, hire a lawyer to defend your UDRP action. I'd say that it wouldn't have taken much legal talent to successfully defend this action.
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| Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 02:57 AM iTrader: (394) Join Date: Feb 2004
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DNF$: 4,079 Location: USA
Country: | Well-said. Even if the respondent had claimed use via a 27-th dimension matrix allocation on the Deneb constellation; that is, land shares for denebians whenever they visit our planet.
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