Do NOT park with NameDrive high traffic domains!

[Gabriel]

This is the history:
I have acquired two months ago a domain name with high traffic, about 17,000 visitors/day. It was a porn site and I don´t like to deal with this kind of sites but the domain was going to make money to me.
I didn´t put links to porn, I linked to personals relationships and the traffic drop down to 5,000 vistors/day in 2 months. My provider is SmartName.com, very good in my opinion, but I made the mistake to move the domain to NameDrive. BIG MISTAKE!.
I parked the domain name 2 months ago with NameDrive for some days, when the domain had 17,000 visits/day, now it has 5,000 visits/day and Ed from NameDrive contacted me telling that it was suspicious the drop down of traffic.
I explained it to Ed but today the domain name has been blocked.
"One stupid person can make more damage than a bad person" FIRM

Do not park with NameDrive a high traffic domain, or you will lose money if the traffic is not stable. You have been warned!!!!!!!

[dodo1]

I've had some high-traffic adult domains, too. In my experience, it is nothing unusual if the traffic of adult domains is going down fast, because visitors are looking for xxx pics and videos. If they don't find what they are looking for they will not come back. Additionally, adult galleries remove their links to adult domains if these domains are not showing any content anymore. That's why most adult domains don't receive stable traffic for a long time if they get parked.

[NameDriver]

I'm sorry if you didn't wait for my email response on this Gabriel, but I have sent you one now.

If you search for the domain in Google you will see another forum discussing the fact that this domain was at the top of sedo's high traffic domains as recently as 9th September 2006. sedo have over 1 million parked domains, so it seems incredible that this was the highest-traffic domain on their system. Only 5 days later, it then moved to our system where it was by no means the highest-traffic domain, suggesting a massive traffic drop-off within 5 days.

You mention that you bought the domain for a lot of money recently, could it be that the person you bought it from was inflating the traffic to try to make it look like his price was justified?

I apologise that we cannot host the domain any more, but we have an obligation to check all domains, not just the high-traffic ones for validity of the traffic.

Besides this, I don't really see how you say that people who park domains would lose money. We are simply not Hosting the domain any longer, we will still pay you the money you earned on the domain.

Ed

[DNjet]

sounds like you got scammed on sedo, you can't blame it on a parking company.

[Gabriel]

If you search for the domain in Google you will see another forum discussing the fact that this domain was at the top of sedo's high traffic domains as recently as 9th September 2006. sedo have over 1 million parked domains, so it seems incredible that this was the highest-traffic domain on their system. Only 5 days later, it then moved to our system where it was by no means the highest-traffic domain, suggesting a massive traffic drop-off within 5 days.

WRONG, the domain name was parked on NameDrive on that date, not Sedo. You not even have checked your files.
I bougth it on the firsts days of August.
Just check your files Ed. The domain name was parked with NameDrive from August 11th to August 18th. Then it had about 14,000 visits/day.
If you check some historic forum the domain name had more than 19,000 visits/day before...first drop of traffic, normal to me.

You mention that you bought the domain for a lot of money recently, could it be that the person you bought it from was inflating the traffic to try to make it look like his price was justified?

WRONG again Ed. I have never mentioned I bougth the domain name for a lot of money. I sold the domain name for some money and now the buyer will see that the domain name is blocked at NameDrive.

I apologise that we cannot host the domain any more, but we have an obligation to check all domains, not just the high-traffic ones for validity of the traffic.

You emailed me telling that GOOGLE will not show ads for this domain name. We both know it is a lie, because when Google ban a domain, just don´t show ads, not shows the message: This domain has been blocked

You there at ND have taken the decision of block my domain. Please have pants to recognize that it is your decision, not Google.

Besides this, I don't really see how you say that people who park domains would lose money. We are simply not Hosting the domain any longer, we will still pay you the money you earned on the domain.

Everybody is WARNED!!!. If you have a traffic domain name, not stable, ND will block it anytime, without asking explanations or proofs, not even a little of sense to check why it happens.
You make me lose money because I sold the domain name but now may be my client will no longer continue with the deal. Just because you have taken a decision like this

I got all the traffic stats on SmartName, normal to me, traffic drop but revenue is stable, because people looking for porn move to another place but others stay. people don´t find porn, then move...makes sense eh...but not for NameDrive.

[Gabriel]

sounds like you got scammed on sedo, you can't blame it on a parking company.

No, this is not the case, because the domain name is good, even the revenue good and stable, droping slowly. I have been damaged by NameDrive.

[Gabriel]

Just forgot to say that this domain name had OVT with extension of 345 just few days ago. Changed to 45 recently. Also, the CTR has been about 11%. I just can not understand how this people can take a decision like this without considering all the facts. May be don´t even know how to check a domain name. A domainer must be on that job, not anybody.

[DNjet]

No, this is not the case, because the domain name is good, even the revenue good and stable, droping slowly. I have been damaged by NameDrive.

take into consideration that namedrive blocks image (hotlink) traffic , these hits are not real visitors, sedo does not block hotlinks they count them as uniques, and some others do not block hotlink traffic either, this would be typical on a adult domain., your uniques would show much higher at a parking company that is counting image traffic., and thats why revenue stays the same on 5,000 as it was on 17,000 at other parking companies because probably 12,000 of those are not real visitors.

[Gabriel]

take into consideration that namedrive blocks image (hotlink) traffic , these hits are not real visitors, sedo does not block hotlinks they count them as uniques, and some others do not block hotlink traffic either, this would be typical on a adult domain., your uniques would show much higher at a parking company that is counting image traffic., and thats why revenue stays the same on 5,000 as it was on 17,000 at other parking companies because probably 12,000 of those are not real visitors.

No, not the case, the first days traffic on ND was similar to sedo, just not the case, also the same on SmartName.
This is easy, the traffic just drop due to there was not a porn site anymore.
I think that dodo1 explain it well, just read his post:

I've had some high-traffic adult domains, too. In my experience, it is nothing unusual if the traffic of adult domains is going down fast, because visitors are looking for xxx pics and videos. If they don't find what they are looking for they will not come back. Additionally, adult galleries remove their links to adult domains if these domains are not showing any content anymore. That's why most adult domains don't receive stable traffic for a long time if they get parked.

[NameDriver]

I see absolutely no point in trying to flame me on the forum rather than discussing this by email, but if that is your wish:

WRONG, the domain name was parked on NameDrive on that date, not sedo

Fair enough, I read the forum post as a European would and thought it was 8th September rather than 9th August.

WRONG again Ed. I have never mentioned I bougth the domain name for a lot of money. I sold the domain name for some money and now the buyer will see that the domain name is blocked at NameDrive.

OK. In your email you said you sold it, in your post you said you bought it. Sorry if there was confusion here, it seems you bought and sold it within a very short space of time.

We went to our Google rep and asked if he was happy with the traffic which we had analysed and he said they'd prefer not to have it on our system. A combination of this and our suspicions of the traffic led to it being blocked.

As far as you selling the domain is concerned, I wrote to you 2 weeks ago saying we would continue to monitor the traffic on the domain and that we were not happy with its performance. This was not an arbitrary decision made on the spot and we had warned you that we were not happy with the domain before, so it is not something that has come out of nowhere. You bought the domain back in August and so I appreciate it is tough to know the exact traffic origin, but it is very unusual for a .us name to be a) the highest-traffic domain on sedo and b) to have 17K hits daily - even as an ex-adult site.
The fact that the CTR doubled from the period when you parked it in August to the period when you parked it in September also played a role in our decision.

As i have said before, I am in no way accusing you of the domain having traffic of this nature, we have simply found that it is not acting naturally. Yes, the decision was mainly ours but it was not a one-sided one and it was not a decision with no basis in thought.

Ed

[Acro]

As long as you used your own DNS and have syslogs you can provide these to namedrive or to your buyer as proof of traffic source.

[Gabriel]

Fair enough, I read the forum post as a European would and thought it was 8th September rather than 9th August.

Please use your sense Ed or tell me the name of somebody with sense in NameDrive. A post is a post, you can make a post anytime. I never park my domains on sedo. I have the full stats for the domain name in the period that it was not parked on ND:

OK. In your email you said you sold it, in your post you said you bought it. Sorry if there was confusion here, it seems you bought and sold it within a very short space of time.

Oh god, at this point I can see you don´t understand this business. I bougth the domain on the first days of August, 2 months ago, and sold it recently. What part you don´t understand??

We went to our Google rep and asked if he was happy with the traffic which we had analysed and he said they'd prefer not to have it on our system. A combination of this and our suspicions of the traffic led to it being blocked.

Ed, you there blocked the domain name, not Google. FIRM

The fact that the CTR doubled from the period when you parked it in August to the period when you parked it in September also played a role in our decision.

Ed, you fail in maths????
CTR was about 5-6% when the traffic was higher, the CTR went to 11% now because the traffic dropped down...it is normal because the traffic is much lower now....oh my god...is only me or this is so logic!

[Luc]

Gabriel. What are you complaining about man. It's THEIR service and if they think your traffic is suspicious they can block your domain name in order to PROTECT their service from losing its Google Feed.

Parking services have to be very careful about click fraud and have to monitor suspicious traffic otherwise their entire feed gets shut down and they lose everyones money.

They're paying you for your previous traffic. Go to another sponsor. Stop complaining. You're making a big deal out of nothing. If it was sedo or domainsponsor you wouldn't even get a penny for your traffic.

[NameDriver]

I got an A in maths.

Traffic, if it is good-converting traffic, will have the same CTR whether it has 100 visitors or 1000 visitors. The issue I was pointing to was that in August, you had 15,000 visitors and 800 clicks. In September, you had 5,000 visitors and 500-600 clicks. So that's 10,000 fewer visitors and only 200 fewer clicks. Doesn't seem to figure to me. That's a 66% drop in traffic and a maximum 25% drop in clicks. Seems that several thousand of those views were not doing much.



At the end of the day, you can see that there is not much conflict on the ND forum because we try to do everything in a clear and fair manner. I also try and clear up everything that people disagree with before it gets round to people being angry enough to post on the boards. Something I didn't have a chance to do today.

The traffic drop the domain has shown is suggestive of expired traffic - despite the 12K drop in hts in 4 weeks. The OVT with extension is also high, though I cannot verify if it was on 345. However, the backlinks are of fairly poor quality - 5 of the first 10 on Google are from domain sales platforms rather than sites sending thousands of hits a day to the domain.

Something which I find interesting is if you search for the domain in Google, you see two listings from the sedo top domains list:
One of them has it listed as being in position number 12 with 3,000 daily hits.
The next one has it listed as being in position number 1 with 16,000 daily hits.
I do find it hard to understand exactly where this increase in traffic on sedo has come from if the site was expired before being put on Sedo.

Additionally, archive.org has absolutely no evidence of a real site, though the backlinks show there was at some point a site there, archive.org only shows activity back in February 05.

Gabriel, you have you evidence which shows the traffic is natural, we have ours which shows it is not. Unfortunately, we cannot always give domains the benefit of the doubt, especially when they are showing strange patterns in our eyes.

Ed

[dodo1]

I have the full stats for the domain name in the period that it was not parked on ND: ...

Sorry if I got it wrong, but you said the domain's traffic went down after you parked it at ND and that they were to be blamed for this. The screenshot shows that traffic was already that low at sedo, so how can you blame ND for causing the traffic to go down to about 5k/day?

Ed, you there blocked the domain name, not Google. FIRM

Gabriel, it is correct that NameDrive blocked the domain. Though, you should also consider that ND is a partner of Google, the company providing them with the ads. I'm quite sure that the contract between the two companies says that ND must block domains with low-quality traffic in order to ensure the quality of Google's ad system and to protect their advertisers.

[Gabriel]

I got an A in maths.

Traffic, if it is good-converting traffic, will have the same CTR whether it has 100 visitors or 1000 visitors. The issue I was pointing to was that in August, you had 15,000 visitors and 800 clicks. In September, you had 5,000 visitors and 500-600 clicks. So that's 10,000 fewer visitors and only 200 fewer clicks. Doesn't seem to figure to me. That's a 66% drop in traffic and a maximum 25% drop in clicks. Seems that several thousand of those views were not doing much.

The answer is so simple. It was a porn site and I was showing personal relationships ads. People don´t click if they are not interested. People click if they are interested. The website had tons of pron videos. People visit the site and they don´t find them, just the traffic drop.
I can see that you have not experince in this job, just somebody that have never been involved in this business.

This case is posted here because everybody must be warned about this. You everybody can read the facts and have your own opinion of how profesional has been this behave from NameDrive.

[Gabriel]

Sorry if I got it wrong, but you said the domain's traffic went down after you parked it at ND and that they were to be blamed for this. The screenshot shows that traffic was already that low at sedo, so how can you blame ND for causing the traffic to go down to about 5k/day?

No, you are misreading something. The traffic showed is not from NameDrive or even sedo, and PPC providers are not responsible for the traffic.
The problem is that NameDrive blocked my domain name just because the traffic dropped down since 18th August when I unparked it from ND and 15th of Sept. when I parked it again on ND.
I just park on NameDrive because I can post stats here and SmartName doesn´t let post detailed stats. In other way I would not park any domain name on NameDrive.

[David G]

After reading the thread and looking at the stats I am guessing a lot of the traffic was one or more of these: image or image Hosting traffic, links traffic, free or paid traffic generators, or redirected traffic, any of which faded away as time went by, or was not counted by the parking firms or Google.

[Gabriel]

Low quality? The CTR is about 11%. High OVT with extension. Stable traffic since 3 weeks ago, droping slowly.
This is only a mistake of NameDrive.

People, you are warned:
If you park a high traffic domain on NameDrive for some days, move it to another provider for two months and the traffic drop, DO NOT RETURN to NameDrive or your domain name will be blocked by this people. It doesn´t matter the explanations, the CTR of 11%, good OVT with extension, nothing. You are warned!!!!!

[tamilsex]

ya you are right , i had the same experience , NAME DRIVE , sedo , dont pay if you have high traffic domains carefull , thanks