IDN registration annoyance..

[cyphix]

This is really ticking me off...... I have been trying to register this chinese IDN name for days now & the whois shows it's available (it dropped recently) & enom says it's available, as does Moniker...... I registered it through enom about 3 times now & once through Moniker & each time they say it's available & allow me to register it.. but then it states that the registration failed as the domain isn't available???

Anyone know what's up with this?

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moniker? i asked about IDN's and the rep told me they dont do IDN's yet...
would be great if they did, cuz im ready to register...and have an account there already.

they going to give you a refund for their mistakes? or account credit?

[MonikerMan]

We can manage IDN's but do not register them yet. coming soon

[fab]

We can manage IDN's but do not register them yet. coming soon

Does that mean that I can transfer my already registered IDN's, to Moniker, and then use them regularly there, and will it show the foreign code as well as puny code?

[cyphix]

moniker? i asked about IDN's and the rep told me they dont do IDN's yet...
would be great if they did, cuz im ready to register...and have an account there already.

they going to give you a refund for their mistakes? or account credit?

Yes... it stated that the registration cost was credited back to my credit card.

[domainstosell]

This is really ticking me off...... I have been trying to register this chinese IDN name for days now & the whois shows it's available (it dropped recently) & enom says it's available, as does Moniker...... I registered it through enom about 3 times now & once through Moniker & each time they say it's available & allow me to register it.. but then it states that the registration failed as the domain isn't available???

Anyone know what's up with this?

It is a variant issue. If the domain is reg'd in either Traditional Chinese or Simplified Chinese, in most cases, the alternate form is "blocked" even though it shows as available. So if you have "Dictionary" in Simplified Chinese; "Dictionary" in Traditional Chinese is not able to be registered. This isn't the case 100% of the time, but it seems like it is about 99.9% of the time...

Out of curiousity, care to share the name?

Dynadot will show you this when you search for a domain (as long as someone has already tried to register it; otherwise they give you an account credit for the failed reg). Domainsite simply doesn't charge your card.

[bwhhisc]

[QUOTE=domainstosell]It is a variant issue. If the domain is reg'd in either Traditional Chinese or Simplified Chinese, in most cases, the alternate form is "blocked" even though it shows as available. QUOTE]

This is absolutely correct. You will find all kinds of top Simplified Chinese words in showing "open" to reg- examples like- shopping.com and Beijing.com that will not register as the "Traditional" Chinese form is taken. Or the other way around, Simplified is taken, and Traditional will not register.

Note that some Japanese characters are the same as Chinese and there are many Japanese terms that will not register. The "blocking" of simplified and traditional was decided long ago with input from Japan, China and Korean representatives to ICANN. Still does not make sense to many as they are distinctly different symbols, but that is what was decided and the way it is for the time being.

The good news...once you have registerd a Chinese term in either simplified or traditional you (supposedly) will also get the rights to the other (simplified or traditional) term as well. Kind of a 2 for 1 deal I have read, anyone here please correct that if you have other information. Still not sure what this means in the long run as each has a unique punycode, and of course many of the technical details about IDN are still a bit up in the air at ICANN, but that isn't going to slow their implementation and use.

And the best news...idns are "within a few months" of coming into worldwide accessability with release of IE7 automatic update. Many believe this will be late August, but none the less it is in the next few months. From there it should be a pretty interesting next year or two as IDNs become mainstream in foreign language urls.

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[The good news...once you have registerd a Chinese term in either simplified or traditional you (supposedly) will also get the rights to the other (simplified or traditional) term as well. .

so it's stupid to register both simplified & traditional chi together when both aren't registered?

[MonikerMan]

Yes you can transfer them and manage them...just can't register them yet.

send your idn transfers to support@moniker.com along with your account number. Make sure your account is funded or you have a cc on file

[domainstosell]

so it's stupid to register both simplified & traditional chi together when both aren't registered?

It isn't really a matter of it being stupid; it is actually not possible for the most part to register both. Once one is registered, the other is effectively blocked.