Acro - there is a guy out there who's challenging your position on Greek IDNs

[Banned: dn-101]

Acro - there is a guy out there who's challenging your position on Greek IDNs

http://acro.net/blog/2011/01/27/inte...l-greek-to-me/

He claims that last year he made $2,200 on seven Greek names:
YANNI:
"Getting back to the topic...
Last year's rough earnings from 7 "worthless" Greek IDNs.
22,000 usd
Come again? "

To say that he's full of sh!t would be an understatement. Last year I challenged him to show that NONE of the IDNs is making more than $5 a month.

After screaming for a few days they begged the mods to delete the thread.
As a matter of fact, their owner, Bill, is rewriting history every day, deleting and editing posts.

[bigboydog_0]

wow!!!! hahaha

[Adam Dicker]

I would also be shocked if that were correct,

I have about 1000 idn's and I am lucky if they make $50 a month and they are all very good generics like insurance and loans.

-=DCG=-

[Bill Roy]

I wonder if the tax-man knows about these claims?

Can you imagine suddenly having to pay taxes on income of $20k that perhaps was not made, of course the owner could surely appeal, but then again all the authorities would have to do is produce copies of the owners own posts to prove that the money was owed!

[Acro]

I'm not going to call a fellow Greek an "a-hole" But I gave plenty of valid reasons why investing in Greek IDNs is futile.

I would buy a Greeklish .com any time over a Greek IDN .com

[Sarcle]

I would also be shocked if that were correct,

I have about 1000 idn's and I am lucky if they make $50 a month and they are all very good generics like insurance and loans.

-=DCG=-

Then you don't have good generics. Sorry.

[alex_d]

DN-101 - if you've been reading the thread over at IDNforums ( which you obviously have !! ) - then you know fully well that the member who made that comment also stated that the earnings he made were from developed sites using Greek IDNs and not simply Greek IDNs that were parked !! I like the way you miss out certain specific facts just to make a post like this one here - and trying to look like some sort of Anti-IDN hero !!

[bwhhisc]

Acro - there is an a-hole out there who's challenging your position on Greek IDNs http://acro.net/blog/2011/01/27/inte...l-greek-to-me/
He claims that last year he made $2,200 on seven Greek names:
YANNI: "Getting back to the topic...
Last year's rough earnings from 7 "worthless" Greek IDNs.
22,000 usd, Come again? "

To say that he's full of sh!t would be an understatement. Last year I challenged him to show that NONE of the IDNs is making more than $5 a month. After screaming for a few days they begged the mods to delete the thread. As a matter of fact, their owner, Bill, is rewriting history every day, deleting and editing posts.

1) Regretfully, DN-101 has no facts to back up what he says. Sorry to have to say this, but he is just a former member with 'sour grapes' who was banned from IDNForums and takes every opportunity he can to badmouth the forum and its members there....myself and a few others in particular. I usually try and go out of my way to avoid him...and usually don't respond to his posts but in this case I am going to "clear the air".

2) I am the "Bill" her refers to....not the "owner" but 1 of 10 partners who own and run IDNForums. NONE of the MODs or Admins there "rewrites history", nor delete and edit posts unless for a VERY good reason....as a matter of fact we have a policy of not doing that unless to clean up dupe posts, edit a sale thread at sellers request, or remove spam or "off color" posts, the latter which are all-in-all few and far between.

If you know anything about vBulletin software it records data like that so it can be checked and verified.
I am a betting man Mr. DN-101....so why don't your put your money where your mouth is if you really
think this is true.

3) If you read the thread, Yanni stated these are "fully developed" Greek websites...not parked domains. He is a pretty skilled developer and IMO he has always been a standup guy. Maybe HE will take a bet from YOU too....

[Adam Dicker]

You stand for this DCG? This is okay?

No, personal attacks are not tolerated, I will clean up the thread.

-=DCG=-

[Adam Dicker]

Then you don't have good generics. Sorry.

That may be true, but the revenue is correct.

-=DCG=-

[Adam Dicker]

Ok, I cleaned up the thread, now let's keep it on topic please.

-=DCG=-

[Sarcle]

That may be true, but the revenue is correct.

-=DCG=-

I'm not developing at the moment. Still waiting for IDN.IDN as I don't see a point in rebranding in a few months. Get ready for IDN.IDN gtlds to be announced this coming Icann meeting. But some single keyword Japanese domains I have make well over $50 each just parked at namedrive for me. And no I'm not selling.

[bwhhisc]

I'm not going to call a fellow Greek an "a-hole" But I gave plenty of valid reasons why investing in Greek IDNs is futile.
I would buy a Greeklish .com any time over a Greek IDN .com

IMO the smart money will buy both ascii and idn.

Might be that Google etc. like IDNs in their algorithm and help to push up to first page.
Cheap investment at $8 each to hedge your bet.

[yanni]

Acro - there is a guy out there who's challenging your position on Greek IDNs

http://acro.net/blog/2011/01/27/inte...l-greek-to-me/

He claims that last year he made $2,200 on seven Greek names:
YANNI:
"Getting back to the topic...
Last year's rough earnings from 7 "worthless" Greek IDNs.
22,000 usd
Come again? "

To say that he's full of sh!t would be an understatement. Last year I challenged him to show that NONE of the IDNs is making more than $5 a month.

After screaming for a few days they begged the mods to delete the thread.
As a matter of fact, their owner, Bill, is rewriting history every day, deleting and editing posts.

Care to remind me again when and where YOU challenged ME on anything, anywhere.

Or, at least, refresh my memory. When was the last time you and I exchanged any type of conversation about anything.

I'm all ears.

[Acro]

IMO the smart money will buy both ascii and idn.

Diversity never hurts, however I'm specifically talking about Greek IDN domains versus Greeklish - their phonetic/visual equivalent e.g. kafes.com versus καφές.com

Still waiting for IDN.IDN as I don't see a point in rebranding in a few months.

Again, specifically for Greek IDN domains, when e.g. ελληνικά.gr has minimal traffic what makes you think ελληνικά.ελ (IDN.IDN) would be in a better position to generate revenue?

[yanni]

Diversity never hurts, however I'm specifically talking about Greek IDN domains versus Greeklish - their phonetic/visual equivalent e.g. kafes.com versus καφές.com



Again, specifically for Greek IDN domains, when e.g. ελληνικά.gr has minimal traffic what makes you think ελληνικά.ελ (IDN.IDN) would be in a better position to generate revenue?

If we leave the parking prospect aside, development of ελληνικά.gr at this point in time will most likely get you a decent position in Google gr but it will be somewhat confusing to the casual surfer. Especially if you were to advertise.

When you put ελληνικά.ελ into the mix it changes the whole outlook from the business and surfer perspective. Especially after some time when the surfing public at large becomes aware of the existence of full IDN.IDN

Surfing habits do change over time. Case in point. The first Greek IDN I developed was receiving next-to-nothing traffic parked. We're talking single digits daily on a pure, top generic.

Three years later, January 2011, from search engine stats, 518 searches for the domain[.]com performed in the S.E. search bar.
Also, direct access/bookmark for the site is 44.6 % of traffic. It goes without saying that a good chunk of that 44 percent is direct navigation.
Here's traffic stats from last month [January is typically a slow month]

Month Unique visitors Number of visits Pages Hits Bandwidth
Jan 2011 79892 117705 785965 5377944 266.69 GB

So about 30k unique visitors from direct/bookmark traffic. I'll give you only 10 percent from that number is direct navi [which we all know is much higher]. That's 3k visitors last month typing GreekCharacterIDN.and switching to LatinCom compared to almost zero 3 years ago. Who woulda thunk it.

I'll give you some higher numbers next year when .com will be .κομ
And, just to be clear, there are searchbar searches with the GreekKeyword.κομ in the stats, the number is small, 34 last month, but it could be they forgot to switch the script to English.

Also, to be honest, I know I'm bleeding traffic to the Greeklish version or, at least, the main Greeklish version, as I managed to secure the most prominent alternatives of the Greeklish term.

BTW, the site hasn't been updated in almost a year. I can give you last years stats on all the above and the search numbers are 5 times higher.

To conclude, if you invest in Greek IDNs with the sole expectation that you will make a living off parking or hoping to retire by selling a few in a couple of years, you'll be disappointed.

OTOH, if you develop, you stand to earn a few bucks.

To address others' comments,

What is amazing to me is, that some people in this business are often 'shocked', 'amazed' or lose control of their bodily functions when someone earns money from this very business. A change of profession is in order, perhaps?

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I wonder if the tax-man knows about these claims?

Can you imagine suddenly having to pay taxes on income of $20k that perhaps was not made, of course the owner could surely appeal, but then again all the authorities would have to do is produce copies of the owners own posts to prove that the money was owed!

Are you concerned, Sir, that I don't report income to the tax authorities?

[Banned: dn-101]

Here's what Alex C, as in Costanza from Seinfeld, posted here, and the whole thread was deleted.
As u can see, the style is unmistakeably IDN-ish:


When you talk, do you wipe your mouth with toilet paper, cos the amount of shit coming out from it is amazing.
Your mathematic skills are also crap ! At $10 a year, one of my IDNs earns me about $5 a day. $5 multiplied by 365 days = $1825 !! So over 10 years this will be $18,250 !!

Negative value of $100 ?? I think not !!

And where are those links ?? I'd be very interested in buying up some prime IDNs for just $50 !! So please, post the links or PM me them. ( Either way though I don't think you have any such links to post - as once again - you are talking SH*T !! )

Achtung DCG: Do not remove this great statement by Alex. This is a quintessential IDN propaganda, and investors need to see it for themselves

[Acro]

So what is that domain Yanni, that commands 44% of its visitors to be impulsive type-in switchers of Greek to Latin keyboards?

Is it porn, gambling or both? There are no other keywords that would generate type ins of that kind in the Greek "cyberspace" (κυβερνοδιάστημα.com is available) - even the usual "troktiko" style news blogs that proliferate in Greece are the exception to the rule.

Any developed domain with enough stickiness - perhaps, once typed in you can bookmark it - has the potential for revenue. But overall, due to the typing habits of Greek Internet surfers, this is the exception and not the rule. If you found the goose that lays the 'golden egg', then power to you. There are 9 failures for 1 success and in the Greek IDN namespace the gap is even higher.

[yanni]

So what is that domain Yanni, that commands 44% of its visitors to be impulsive type-in switchers of Greek to Latin keyboards?

I said 10 percent of that 44 percent of return visitors. And, sorry I can't mention the domain. There are others too, with similar return numbers.

Is it porn, gambling or both?

Neither.

Any developed domain with enough stickiness - perhaps, once typed in you can bookmark it - has the potential for revenue. But overall, due to the typing habits of Greek Internet surfers, this is the exception and not the rule. If you found the goose that lays the 'golden egg', then power to you. There are 9 failures for 1 success and in the Greek IDN namespace the gap is even higher.

All that people need is a little direction. It is natural that Greek surfers are used to Greeklish. And the reason is, there was no way to navigate the interwebs besides using Latin characters. Right? That's about to change pretty soon though. Give it some time and habits will change as well.

Why do you suppose the Chinese use numeric domains en masse? Besides some phonetic similarities to words or syllables, they mainly do it because they can't read/understand/recollect Latin-based words. We were 'lucky' to have been force-fed Western culture for so long and we are for the most part familiar with Latin characters and their phonetic sounds.

Even so, what would be your choice of Greeklish for

μαχαίρι?

maxairi
maxeri
machairi
macheri
mahairi
maheri

[alex_d]

Here's what Alex C, as in Costanza from Seinfeld, posted here, and the whole thread was deleted.
As u can see, the style is unmistakeably IDN-ish:


When you talk, do you wipe your mouth with toilet paper, cos the amount of shit coming out from it is amazing.
Your mathematic skills are also crap ! At $10 a year, one of my IDNs earns me about $5 a day. $5 multiplied by 365 days = $1825 !! So over 10 years this will be $18,250 !!

Negative value of $100 ?? I think not !!

And where are those links ?? I'd be very interested in buying up some prime IDNs for just $50 !! So please, post the links or PM me them. ( Either way though I don't think you have any such links to post - as once again - you are talking SH*T !! )

Achtung DCG: Do not remove this great statement by Alex. This is a quintessential IDN propaganda, and investors need to see it for themselves

Once again, it appears that you like to miss out vital information. The domain that I was referring to was a Greek IDN on a developed site !! Please post the full facts and not only what you want to see. I cannot see what is so difficult to believe about a developed site earning about $5 a day !!! Is this an incredible amount of money for you ?? Some people have developed sites that can earn $5 a minute !! What exactly is so amazing about my original unedited statement about one of my developed IDNs ??

Also, why don't you actually come out and state that you do own a large number of IDNs - rather keep up this charade that everyone who invests in IDNs and has anything to do with them is a complete idiot and loser !!!