IDN's dropping like flies

[Acro]

Funny, last time I checked Wikipedia is blocked off in Chinese also.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by rickkumar

IDN = Internationalized DANGEROUS Domains

Most IDNs will go nowhere....very few will be profitable as comapred to some other TLDs such as dot com, org, etc.

RubberDuck (and your followers) should sincerely appologize to the newbies on this forum for misleading them and wasting their time, and money on IDNs.

I bet you do feel guilty about your IDN misinformation campaign but you do not want to admit it.

Time to say sorry my friend.

Yes, my sincerest apologies go to DCG. He stormed in and picked up 5,000 or so earlier in the year. I understand he is still looking.

Yes encouraging people to navigate in the their own language seems to be threatening to Corporate America who have gone out their way to ensure that the Chinese and Japanese cannot navigate in anything vaguely intelligible. Dangerous it must be to allow people to see domains in a familiar script. I would like to make those bastards who blame phishing on IDN navigate in Chinese for all eternity.

IDN exist in all the extensions you are rattling on about. I wouldn't spend anything on dot Info or dot Org. Most of my IDN are dot Coms.

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

You have got to be joking.

Have you read this thread? Or read anything about IDN development?
Why is Microsoft putting IDN capability in their browser IE7...so noone can use it? IDNs are simply "domains" just like ascii only in foreign language script.
It is a simple concept...

You might think so, but I think you would be a little shocked at some of the IQs kicking around this joint!

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Funny, last time I checked Wikipedia is blocked off in Chinese also.

Yes, and funny last time I checked that wasn't an IDN site, either.

If you want to blend in China, I afraid an IDN is going to make you much more welcomed in the near future.

[DomainEngineer]

If you guys look in this thread, I have already said that at one time I thought about buying IDNs but soon I came to my senses and said to myself.....no way.

Plus you can call me noob but I have been buying domains since 1998 and that too in large numbers.

All I am saying is that there are some good IDNs and those were taken a long ago.......and IDNs do not have a solid advertiser base yet so you won't see much earnings for many more years.....so are you going to keep renewing those IDNs until then and adding up the out-of-pocket costs?

Well RD has been promoting himself as an IDN King for quite some time now and he is the one who started calling regular domainers carzy (you can see so many threads to this effect)......I am ok with all his shameless self-promotion but he must not mislead newbies......its unethical and immoral.

Buy IDNs but use your own brain don't listen to the duck imo.

Thanks.

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by rickkumar

All I am saying is that there are some good IDNs and those were taken a long ago.......and IDNs do not have a solid advertiser base yet so you won't see much earnings for many more years.....so are you going to keep renewing those IDNs until then and adding up the out-of-pocket costs?

My portfolio is mostly Japanese. Thats how I went as everyone else was getting Chinese. I managed to get some premiums.

Please show us examples how there is a lack of Japanese advertisers. For just about every commerical keyword I've queried it shows that there is tons of competition for the keyword.

Wow, do some research before you post.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by rickkumar

If you guys look in this thread, I have already said that at one time I thought about buying IDNs but soon I came to my senses and said to myself.....no way.

Plus you can call me noob but I have been buying domains since 1998 and that too in large numbers.

All I am saying is that there are some good IDNs and those were taken a long ago.......and IDNs do not have a solid advertiser base yet so you won't see much earnings for many more years.....so are you going to keep renewing those IDNs until then and adding up the out-of-pocket costs?

Well RD has been promoting himself as an IDN King for quite some time now and he is the one who started calling regular domainers carzy (you can see so many threads to this effect)......I am ok with all his shameless self-promotion but he must not mislead newbies......its unethical and immoral.

Buy IDNs but use your own brain don't listen to the duck imo.

Thanks.

Some analysis would be good. I have been instrumental in setting up two forums on the subject and assisted with the establishment of the IDN Section here.

If you actually go to the Main IDN Forums you will see that those involved are not naive cretins as you would like to portray but are people who have done extensive research and analysis. It is a different market and many of us are later-comers to the domaining game. That doesn't make any of us naive or stupid. We have analysed the market, and found that it is highly skewed towards North America, where buyiing dot Coms in particularly has become a herd activity. As you rightly indicate those that lead stampedes stand to make a lot more money than those that follow. Joining the ASCII dot Com stampede at this stage of the game has to be pure folly as with 50 Million name registered, and tens of thousands of speculators, how much value can there really be left? With IDN the stampede has not really started. There is certainly much scope for picking up very valuable registrations cheaply. The fools will be seen to be those that sniffed and turned up their noses. From what you are saying, you are likely to be one.

[Acro]

I hear pets in Korean are very popular. Especially dogs :-D

[DNWizardX9]

There are native Japanese and Chinese people on the board collecting IDNs. They live in their respective nation and they see the use for them.

Not only .com now but even finding IDN .jp now is pretty tough.

[acesfull]

Seems to me that there is a bit of disagreement as to the potential value and demand for IDNs. The Internet is still a relatively new invention. Before 1995, most people had no idea that domain names could be so valuable. Having the opportunity to register some of the most valuable ASCII .com domains (mostly before 1997) was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Could IDNs be another such opportunity? If so, that opportunity has recently passed (for most of the best domains) - at least for being able to acquire them at the original registration cost. I certainly can't predict how popular or valuable IDNs will be, but I'd hate to miss out on another "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," and, in my opinion, IDNs are (or were) a good bet, for the money. I can't wait to see the comments, between the domainers in this thread, in another 12 to 24 months.

[DomainEngineer]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Some analysis would be good. I have been instrumental in setting up two forums on the subject and assisted with the establishment of the IDN Section here.

If you actually go to the Main IDN Forums you will see that those involved are not naive cretins as you would like to portray but are people who have done extensive research and analysis. It is a different market and many of us are later-comers to the domaining game. That doesn't make any of us naive or stupid. We have analysed the market, and found that it is highly skewed towards North America, where buyiing dot Coms in particularly has become a herd activity. As you rightly indicate those that lead stampedes stand to make a lot more money than those that follow. Joining the ASCII dot Com stampede at this stage of the game has to be pure folly as with 50 Million name registered, and tens of thousands of speculators, how much value can there really be left? With IDN the stampede has not really started. There is certainly much scope for picking up very valuable registrations cheaply. The fools will be seen to be those that sniffed and turned up their noses. From what you are saying, you are likely to be one.

Good luck......I hope you make a bundle.

Lets not bash any type of domains.
After all we are all domainers.

I hope you all make lot of money in your IDNs.

May be I will buy some in future from secondary market when I am convinced about IDNs.

Thanks.

[Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by acesfull

Seems to me that there is a bit of disagreement as to the potential value and demand for IDNs. The Internet is still a relatively new invention. Before 1995, most people had no idea that domain names could be so valuable. Having the opportunity to register some of the most valuable ASCII .com domains (mostly before 1997) was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Could IDNs be another such opportunity? If so, that opportunity has recently passed (for most of the best domains) - at least for being able to acquire them at the original registration cost. I certainly can't predict how popular or valuable IDNs will be, but I'd hate to miss out on another "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," and, in my opinion, IDNs are (or were) a good bet, for the money. I can't wait to see the comments, between the domainers in this thread, in another 12 to 24 months.

Most people that do not own IDNs are obviously against them, people that have spent thousands on them are for them. This bickering isn't going to change anyone's mind. You're either for them or against them or just dont give a f**k.

[acesfull]

Originally Posted by Rockafeller

Most people that do not own IDNs are obviously against them,

Sometimes, I think it's because they desperately don't want to wake up one day (in the near future) and realize that they have just missed a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, that was right under their nose, within their own field of work, investment and interest.

[typist]

...or just dont give a f**k

Dotmobi intends to support Internationalised Domain Names (IDN)s in the future:

fück.mobi

the ultimate IDN .mobi?

...just missed a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity

plenty of registries don't yet support IDN, like .mobi. There are oceans of opportunities...



(disclaimer: I see the use of IDN in many cases, and .mobi at least does no harm)

[IDNebook.com]

Originally Posted by acesfull

Sometimes, I think it's because they desperately don't want to wake up one day (in the near future) and realize that they have just missed a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, that was right under their nose, within their own field of work, investment and interest.

Yup that is the case , what a shame so many domains to choose from , most acsii'ers could still bag the best domain in their portfolio if they started in the next hour or so IMO

[touchring]

Originally Posted by rickkumar

If you guys look in this thread, I have already said that at one time I thought about buying IDNs but soon I came to my senses and said to myself.....no way.

Plus you can call me noob but I have been buying domains since 1998 and that too in large numbers.

All I am saying is that there are some good IDNs and those were taken a long ago.......and IDNs do not have a solid advertiser base yet so you won't see much earnings for many more years.....

Do you people expect flowers.mobi to earn money to earn back it's $200k? And you people expect to be able to buy flowers.com in Japanese for just $xxx?

Have you ppl read about how the domain king paid $xx,xxx for names back then in 1996? And how much he had earned from PPC and affliate programs from those names until today.

Do you ppl have the same guts and intuition?

IDNs are for people with guts.

Speculators without balls can wait for a few years for IDNs to take off, and then scrape for 2 or 3 worded junk drops or LLLL, NNNN, NLL, and other collectables, flip for a few hundred dollars each, hoping that Sedo PPC can help pay at least 20% of your reg fees, moaning away when Sedo or Google eats into your miniscule PPC profits, like what you are doing right now!

NNNN, LLLL? .info, .biz, .mobi. I can't even name a single .info, .biz site that i visit - can anyone please name me one???

Typos? Legislation will kill that in no time, so earn while you can!

Me, i want to be out of the domain hype, that's why i am into IDNs. IDNs gives you a chance to hedge yourself on something valuable in the future, something which your kids can inherit, like a house, and survive hypes and crashes.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by rickkumar

All I am saying is that there are some good IDNs and those were taken a long ago.......

Not totally true...Japanese, Korean, and Chinese have been reg'd heavily on .com and .net. But there are many other languages that have huge populations and webpages. I reg'd these in the last few weeks.

allergies.com in Arabic
genius.com in Russian
laser.com in Persian
bachelor.com in Hebrew
watch.com in Greek (timepiece)
watch.net in Brazilian/Portuguese
gossip.com in Turkish
fun.com in Persian
tires.net in Spanish
tractor.com in Thai

For a bit over $60 some good upside potential.
These could be easily flipped for anywhere from $25 and up each in todays market (and a few of these would bring xxx), so risk is pretty low if you ever want to sell. But upside is huge as international domains begin to come into mainstream use.

[sdsinc]

Wow 19 pages

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by sdsinc

Wow 19 pages

Yep, 19 pages and 17 days and STILL waiting for the first person to step up and say they are "dropping their IDN porfolio". Buyers are waiting.

[Rubber Duck]

The thing is that anything that is likely to get dropped can be picked up in the secondary market for less than the minimum bid at Snapnames.

Domains drop all the time for various reasons, including owners dropping dead. IDN are no exception to that. There are that many decent names dropping and those that are generally fiercely fought over, although there is a bit of corroborative tendering going on as well.

I it is still going to be a couple of months in many cases before traffic starts to really rise rapidly, but it is being monitored intensely. I have it on good authority that some IDNers are already getting excellent Uniques (around 1000 a day) for Porn Site based on IDN Domains.

There is enough evidence to give a high level of confidence that IDN will deliver on the promise. It is just a question of how long we have to wait for pay day.

I am not saying Rick was wrong to buy flowers. mobi, but I think he could have bought 20 or 30 IDN for the same price, that ultimately would be worth at least as much each.

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

The thing is that anything that is likely to get dropped can be picked up in the secondary market for less than the minimum bid at Snapnames.

Domains drop all the time for various reasons, including owners dropping dead. IDN are no exception to that. There are that many decent names dropping and those that are generally fiercely fought over, although there is a bit of corroborative tendering going on as well.

I it is still going to be a couple of months in many cases before traffic starts to really rise rapidly, but it is being monitored intensely. I have it on good authority that some IDNers are already getting excellent Uniques (around 1000 a day) for Porn Site based on IDN Domains.

There is enough evidence to give a high level of confidence that IDN will deliver on the promise. It is just a question of how long we have to wait for pay day.

I am not saying Rick was wrong to buy flowers. mobi, but I think he could have bought 20 or 30 IDN for the same price, that ultimately would be worth at least as much each.

You're really a seller of IDNs, not a buyer.

As a fierce competitor myself for buying drops on Snap I can tell you that most of them do go for $60 and above. The market definitely is changing its ways from months ago. Traffic is definitely a factor in why many people are looking on snap for some nice deals.

In regards to stuff being picked up for less than snap. It will depend on the language. Japanese names dropping will be most likely noticed and bid on. The chances of you hand regging vs snap is slim.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by DNWizardX9

You're really a seller of IDNs, not a buyer.

As a fierce competitor myself for buying drops on Snap I can tell you that most of them do go for $60 and above. The market definitely is changing its ways from months ago. Traffic is definitely a factor in why many people are looking on snap for some nice deals.

In regards to stuff being picked up for less than snap. It will depend on the language. Japanese names dropping will be most likely noticed and bid on. The chances of you hand regging vs snap is slim.

I think we are in agreement, and things have got tougher as more language tools have become available. Google now does Arabic and Korean which are both fairly recent additions. What I was suggesting that there is probably more value in the aftermarket than there is Snapnames. This is certainly true of ASCII and very likely the case with IDN as well.

When Acroplex suggests that IDN are dropping like flies, he obviously hasn't tried to drop one, otherwise he would know what he was talking about.