IDN's dropping like flies

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Gee

Oh No please .... Acroplex hasn't come over the korean names sales yet

I doubt he will post any more in this thread

Yeah, funny that. He may just have taken umbridge over the fact he has been banned and his account terminated.

[touchring]

With 11k posts, no withdrawal symtomps?

[DNWizardX9]

This thread is boring without Acroplex

[gorilla_bob]

I usually don't post in these types of threads but reading the most of 27 pages of this has itched me to write my own opinions of the subject.

I'll start by saying that we are all pioneers in this game. The internet for all we know it, is still a child. It's in its infancy stage of growth. The decisions I make when purchasing a domain is not how it will perform in the next month or even 1-2 years. It is how it will perform in 20-35 years when the majority of the population on Earth is on the internet.

My philosophies: Ascii will always be king.
Yes, there will always be growth with IDN's, and I am very jealous of everyone here that has a good IDN portfolio. My advice, please provide your email so that I may one day come to you with a business proposal when you are rich.

Why I say ascii is king is because, although there will always be native speakers that will use IDN's to type in their domain, the world is becoming smaller. This means that any corporate entity that wishes to stay in the game must be able to communicate to the entire world. This is where the limitations of IDN's come into play and where ascii excels. An ascii domain can be typed in by anyone anywhere in the world, whereas an IDN can not be due to the fact that everyone in the world may not know how to type a specific IDN character from their keyboard.

How I see IDN's is that they will excel in local country specific regions and will provide a personable outlet to reach native internet users. For corperations that wish to target native internet users, IDN is a great choice.

I hope that all of us here feel the same way that I do, that history will report us as the pioneers of the internet. That these very text that we put in these threads gives meaning to the continuing development of the internet.

I thank you all for your time in reading this, and hope to become good friends with you all.

Warmest Regards,

Tan Tran

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

I usually don't post in these types of threads but reading the most of 27 pages of this has itched me to write my own opinions of the subject.

I'll start by saying that we are all pioneers in this game. The internet for all we know it, is still a child. It's in its infancy stage of growth. The decisions I make when purchasing a domain is not how it will perform in the next month or even 1-2 years. It is how it will perform in 20-35 years when the majority of the population on Earth is on the internet.

My philosophies: Ascii will always be king.
Yes, there will always be growth with IDN's, and I am very jealous of everyone here that has a good IDN portfolio. My advice, please provide your email so that I may one day come to you with a business proposal when you are rich.

Why I say ascii is king is because, although there will always be native speakers that will use IDN's to type in their domain, the world is becoming smaller. This means that any corporate entity that wishes to stay in the game must be able to communicate to the entire world. This is where the limitations of IDN's come into play and where ascii excels. An ascii domain can be typed in by anyone anywhere in the world, whereas an IDN can not be due to the fact that everyone in the world may not know how to type a specific IDN character from their keyboard.

How I see IDN's is that they will excel in local country specific regions and will provide a personable outlet to reach native internet users. For corperations that wish to target native internet users, IDN is a great choice.

I hope that all of us here feel the same way that I do, that history will report us as the pioneers of the internet. That these very text that we put in these threads gives meaning to the continuing development of the internet.

I thank you all for your time in reading this, and hope to become good friends with you all.

Warmest Regards,

Tan Tran

This is a concept that americans have trouble grasping.... not everyone in the world speaks english.
you say that english speakers won't be able to type in these funny looking urls.......... that's correct - its not meant for the native english speaker... it's meant for speakers that don't know english!

chinese will soon overtake english on the internet. the digital divide is here.........wait a few year and you'll see

[gorilla_bob]

DNXWIZARD,

If you notice, I was careful not to use the word English...i used ascii. There is a big difference. English is a language, while ascii represents the standard keys on every keyboard in the world.

I am in agreement that there will be many languages on the internet, nevertheless ascii will still be king because it can be typed by anybody in the world. IDN characters don't have that quality.

Hope this clarifies my notes better.

- Bob

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

DNXWIZARD,

If you notice, I was careful not to use the word English...i used ascii. There is a big difference. English is a language, while ascii represents the standard keys on every keyboard in the world.

I am in agreement that there will be many languages on the internet, nevertheless ascii will still be king because it can be typed by anybody in the world. IDN characters don't have that quality.

Hope this clarifies my notes better.

- Bob

I take it that you have never seen keyboards used in other countries.... You know a keyboard in Egypt marketed towards people that actually live there and speak ::gasp:: arabic as their native language. (not ascii based language) It is actually quite easy to type the "funny looking IDNs".

[gorilla_bob]

DNWIZARD,

As far as Egypt is concerned, that I don't know, if that's true, they are at a dismal disadvantage.

I am well aware of how easy it is to type IDN if you are comfortable with it. The issue is their is seperate software that needs to be installed on the pc in order to use it.

The reason why ascii is so much of a necessity as part of the keyboard, is that all programming is done in ascii. If you live in a country that does not have an ascii keyboard (which I have never heard of), then you would not be able to code since most if not all programming languages are in ascii format. In fact, there is no such thing as IDN for programming languages.

- Bob

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

DNWIZARD,

As far as Egypt is concerned, that I don't know, if that's true, they are at a dismal disadvantage.

I am well aware of how easy it is to type IDN if you are comfortable with it. The issue is their is seperate software that needs to be installed on the pc in order to use it.

The reason why ascii is so much of a necessity as part of the keyboard, is that all programming is done in ascii. If you live in a country that does not have an ascii keyboard (which I have never heard of), then you would not be able to code since most if not all programming languages are in ascii format. In fact, there is no such thing as IDN for programming languages.

- Bob

What blasted betty crocker mix did you drink today

so you're telling me in order to type in arabic in an arab speaking nation you have to get "special software"?
hmmm - so you mean i gotta learn english first before i buy my pc in egypt? they're at a disadvantage huh

[gorilla_bob]

DNWizardx9,


I think there's a big disconnect here. Ascii is not English. Although I speak English, that is not the point of this conversation.

Have a look here for definition of ascii if you are not familiar with the term:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII

I can guarantee you that every keyboard in the world that access the internet can type in ascii characters. My other point that I can guarantee is that not all keyboards in the world -- without special software -- will be able to type Arabic, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese or any IDN.

For instance, without installing special software onto my computer, I can not type Arabic where I am, or Chinese, or Vietnamese, or any other IDN characters.

For corporation being able to reach as much individuals in the world as possible, the necessity to have a main ascii domain is essential. Since ascii can be produced from every keyboard in the world.

Don't think that this is a English vs. IDN thing. It's not.

- Bob

[chording]

This thread never dies..

[gorilla_bob]

Yes it seems that way doesn't it?

[sdsinc]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

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For instance, without installing special software onto my computer, I can not type Arabic where I am, or Chinese, or Vietnamese, or any other IDN characters.

Which special software are you talking about ?
It's a matter of configuring keyboards and most operating systems are now Unicode-aware. I myself switch between different keyboards.

Even if an Asian or Arab can type ASCII with his keyboard do not assume it is easy or natural to them to use a different character set.

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

DNWizardx9,


I think there's a big disconnect here. Ascii is not English. Although I speak English, that is not the point of this conversation.

Have a look here for definition of ascii if you are not familiar with the term:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII

I can guarantee you that every keyboard in the world that access the internet can type in ascii characters. My other point that I can guarantee is that not all keyboards in the world -- without special software -- will be able to type Arabic, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese or any IDN.

For instance, without installing special software onto my computer, I can not type Arabic where I am, or Chinese, or Vietnamese, or any other IDN characters.

For corporation being able to reach as much individuals in the world as possible, the necessity to have a main ascii domain is essential. Since ascii can be produced from every keyboard in the world.

Don't think that this is a English vs. IDN thing. It's not.

- Bob

so you mean if i build my own keyboard i will be able to type ascii right away?

mmm nice try but it needs to communicate with windows etc... it needs software/drivers.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

I can guarantee you that every keyboard in the world that access the internet can type in ascii characters. My other point that I can guarantee is that not all keyboards in the world -- without special software -- will be able to type Arabic, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese or any IDN.

For instance, without installing special software onto my computer, I can not type Arabic where I am, or Chinese, or Vietnamese, or any other IDN characters.

For corporation being able to reach as much individuals in the world as possible, the necessity to have a main ascii domain is essential. Since ascii can be produced from every keyboard in the world.

Don't think that this is a English vs. IDN thing. It's not.

- Bob

Well Bob, this is a typical display of a lack of knowledge (to put it politely) on your part.

Do you think 'ready-made' PCs / laptops in Japan, China, Vietnam etc come with the ASCII character set as their default settings?
If you are going to comment on something it is wise to at least have some knowledge of the subject about which you're talking. When you said "I usually don't post in these types of threads" then maybe that's the wisest decision.

If you have an operating system on your machine (which by default you must have) then it is already capable of handling a multitude of languages without any 'special software'
The idea that keyboards are only capable of interpreting the ASCII character set without 'special software' is laughable.
More people speak Chinese, Spanish and Hindi that speak English so why would they want to use a character set (ASCII) that their target consumers don't understand and are unable to read?

The reason you can't type Arabic or any other language than English is simply because you can't. Not because your machine can't, you can't ...The only 'special software' you need is in your brain, the capability of speaking / writing another language and possibly to remove the blinkers you seem to be wearing if you think that a Chinese company should use a character set that their customers can't read or understand

[mulligan]

Triple Post

[mulligan]

Triple Post

[gorilla_bob]

Again, any country that does not have their keyboards able to type ascii is at a sever disadvantage. I can not stress this point enough.

The mere fact that if a countries internet users can not type ascii limits them from any type of coding on the internet since HTML and all other internet programming languages are based upon ascii. As well, that country also limits themselves from accessing most of the web urls which is ascii dominated.

I've given enough information already. If you choose to believe otherwise that is your perogative.

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

Again, any country that does not have their keyboards able to type ascii is at a sever disadvantage. I can not stress this point enough.

The mere fact that if a countries internet users can not type ascii limits them from any type of coding on the internet since HTML and all other internet programming languages are based upon ascii. As well, that country also limits themselves from accessing most of the web urls which is ascii dominated.

I've given enough information already. If you choose to believe otherwise that is your perogative.

I don't know what country gave you your PhD in rubbish consulting....Perhaps you should become a used car salesman. You can make up just about anything you want about particular cars. you obviously didn't read hte last posts. The keyboards ALL TYPE ascii. However in foreign markets having other languages installed is commonplace.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

I've given enough information already. If you choose to believe otherwise that is your perogative.

What you have given is not information, it's what you think is the way things are .. otherwise known as misinformation