IDN's dropping like flies

[BILLBO]

Touchring, I actually agree to a large extent, in economic circles it is already recognised that China is colonising Africa economically. The fact that domain.cn is larger should not be a surprise to anyone, that does not though mean that the .cn domains are worth nearly as much per se, nor does it mean they will be in the near future, however, having said that IMHO only a fool would dismiss them as irrelevent.

We are in an industry that by its very nature is revolutionary and will remain so for many years to come, unfortunately many forget this and especially those who have been thus far successful become conservative in their outlook. We as domainers should constantly strive to identify new niches, small and large, to which our industry is able to grow into, whether it be IDN's or the interpretation and use of marketing psychology.

IDN's are alien to many (by the way including myself) but they are the natural language of vast market swathes around the world, if I had time and money to spare I would definately invest both in these markets, however, they are markets in which the domainer should be more than knowledgable in the selected language.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by touchring

18 months? It would be hard to imagine if the dollar can avoid a depreciation until 18 months later. If the dollar depreciates, no amount of cooking can bluff the American public.

They will keep the mouth to mouth going rather than admit to the relatives that they killed their patient through incompetence.

Originally Posted by DNWizardX9

actually real estate prices are at an all time high in manhattan.... just look at buildings for sale.. in the past 3 years some buildings have doubled from 2 million to 4 million. I would know as I am an analyst there and I am in the business.

Yep, much of America is still in denial, but that sounds like a bubble to me. The only thing that is going to pin the dollar now is much higher interest rates. That should prick it!

Originally Posted by BILLBO

Having red the posts on this page it would seem that people ignor the fact that the last thing China would want would be a sudden massive collapse of the dollar. Not only would the debts they hold suddenly become worthless but also the largest market for their manufactured goods would disappear!

Just my 2 cents.

China has no vested interest in instability, but at current exchange levels their economy is not big enough in international terms to be able to afford to keep things going. A realignment of dollar with Yuan is inevitable. The Chinese need to revalue the Yuan but that on its own is unlikely to be enough, and they won't through good money after bad.

Originally Posted by BILLBO

Touchring, I actually agree to a large extent, in economic circles it is already recognised that China is colonising Africa economically. The fact that domain.cn is larger should not be a surprise to anyone, that does not though mean that the .cn domains are worth nearly as much per se, nor does it mean they will be in the near future, however, having said that IMHO only a fool would dismiss them as irrelevent.

We are in an industry that by its very nature is revolutionary and will remain so for many years to come, unfortunately many forget this and especially those who have been thus far successful become conservative in their outlook. We as domainers should constantly strive to identify new niches, small and large, to which our industry is able to grow into, whether it be IDN's or the interpretation and use of marketing psychology.

IDN's are alien to many (by the way including myself) but they are the natural language of vast market swathes around the world, if I had time and money to spare I would definately invest both in these markets, however, they are markets in which the domainer should be more than knowledgable in the selected language.

ASCII domains have fetched good money in China. There own internal domain market is only really starting to adjust to IDN. Much trading goes down behind closed doors.

Lets put it this way. If you owned Loans.com would it matter if you did not speak English?

[sdsinc]

Originally Posted by BILLBO

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We are in an industry that by its very nature is revolutionary and will remain so for many years to come, unfortunately many forget this and especially those who have been thus far successful become conservative in their outlook. We as domainers should constantly strive to identify new niches, small and large, to which our industry is able to grow into, whether it be IDN's or the interpretation and use of marketing psychology.

That's the bottom line

[Rubber Duck]

Actually I skimmed a bit there. That paragraph of Billbo's is actually pretty much on the money. In some cases, the self professed Guru's are Blinkered rather than Conservative and have chased up a few blind alleys, but I guess he was trying to be polite.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Actually I skimmed a bit there. That paragraph of Billbo's is actually pretty much on the money. In some cases, the self professed Guru's are Blinkered rather than Conservative and have chased up a few blind alleys, but I guess he was trying to be polite.

Conversative or just ignorance? There is a difference.

[BILLBO]

RD, politeness never cost money!

Touch, the reason for my saying that domainers should be at least familiar with the language concerned when it comes to IDN's is the fact that I have seen IDN's for sale that have not been correct or are simply 'punctuation' in the language concerned, sometimes even archaic forms as well.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by BILLBO

RD, politeness never cost money!

Touch, the reason for my saying that domainers should be at least familiar with the language concerned when it comes to IDN's is the fact that I have seen IDN's for sale that have not been correct or are simply 'punctuation' in the language concerned, sometimes even archaic forms as well.

I've seen names sold for a few grand - on this forum - and the word is not the correct translation or is an obscure translation.

It happens, especially when the seller himself doesn't know the language and depends on online dictionaries for the translation - these are extremely unreliable - they fail almost all the time. So, can you say these are scams? No, the sellers don't even have a clue what they are selling!

Experience IDNers will not buy on translation alone - they will check OVT, Google Trends and OVT bid values. I'm very careful, i don't buy a name that doesn't meet a certain OVT or Google trends target, regardless of translation.

There is tough competition going on to procure premium IDNs. People will not talk, no one tells you how to find premium IDNs or how to where to find them. Big ASCII players are in the market - at least for latin IDNs - i know because i've seen big names in WHOIS, and names that were registered like since 2001 - they must be bought. There is a big underground movement the past year or so.

Well, this is not unusual, when there is money, most people won't talk.

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by BILLBO

RD, politeness never cost money!

Touch, the reason for my saying that domainers should be at least familiar with the language concerned when it comes to IDN's is the fact that I have seen IDN's for sale that have not been correct or are simply 'punctuation' in the language concerned, sometimes even archaic forms as well.

How would you explain that top IDN holders have domain portfolios across dozen or more languages? Not only they are not familiar with those languages, but also have trouble differentiate between some of them, like Arabic and Farsi. They saw an opportunity in registering that cellphone.com domain in the language they can't read, write or pronounce. Much like the people who couldn't speak, read or write English were registering premium domains in 95.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Explorer

How would you explain that top IDN holders have domain portfolios across dozen or more languages? Not only they are not familiar with those languages, but also have trouble differentiate between some of them, like Arabic and Farsi. They saw an opportunity in registering that cellphone.com domain in the language they can't read, write or pronounce. Much like the people who couldn't speak, read or write English were registering premium domains in 95.

The korean cellphone or handphone.com thing is not so simple. If you noticed, handphone.com is redirected to a korean website.

If local people can pay for handphone.com (can an ASCII guy tell me how much this costs?), it won't take a genius to know they got a great deal even at $40,000 for the Korean version of handphone.com!

People do their research, they don't throw in this kind of money just to buy just one IDN without knowing the end user market.

[Acro]

Glyph fans calling us "ASCII guys" - that's a compliment. Without ASCII you'd still be using an abacus to do your math.

[touchring]

ASCII guys, not αβγ. Thks.

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Glyph fans calling us "ASCII guys" - that's a compliment. Without ASCII you'd still be using an abacus to do your math.

Shouldn't you be praying that Greek becomes the official language of the world? Ah n/m that language is extinct ;-)

[Acro]

Who mentioned Greek in the first place? I think you missed the whole meaning of my post. Demeaning the most widely used alphabet in the world - latin - as "ASCII" which is the original computer character set, displays lack of knowledge of technology.

Originally Posted by DNWizardX9

Shouldn't you be praying that Greek becomes the official language of the world? Ah n/m that language is extinct ;-)

Another typical post of yours without dipping your tongue in your rather minimal brain?

[touchring]

No body is demeaning ASCII. ASCII guy, Mobi guy, IDN guy, some do both, so what's the problem?

[gorilla_bob]

Hello Friends,

Looks like you have all been busy since last time I came in here.

Just a quick thought, I can understand the value of IDN, but I don't think alot of the IDN'ers appreciate the value of ASCII or realise that they are arguing how bad ASCII is by using ASCII to express their arguements. Just as a test to see how IDN would not work on a global scale...please IDN'ers...keep to your faith and start arguing in IDN. You'll see just how fast this thread would die.

This entire thread is in ASCII, if we did not all know ASCII or could type ASCII this thread would not exist.

That's all for now, I'll let you all go back to picking at my words again.

Until next time.

- Bob

Acroplex,

Nice to have you back. This thread has not really been an intelectual discussion on ASCII/IDN benefits/detriments but more of a flame war against ASCII vs IDN. Glad at least that I have someone to keep me company.



- Bob

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

Hello Friends,

Looks like you have all been busy since last time I came in here.

Just a quick thought, I can understand the value of IDN, but I don't think alot of the IDN'ers appreciate the value of ASCII or realise that they are arguing how bad ASCII is by using ASCII to express their arguements. Just as a test to see how IDN would not work on a global scale...please IDN'ers...keep to your faith and start arguing in IDN. You'll see just how fast this thread would die.

This entire thread is in ASCII, if we did not all know ASCII or could type ASCII this thread would not exist.

That's all for now, I'll let you all go back to picking at my words again.

Until next time.

- Bob

Acroplex,

Nice to have you back. This thread has not really been an intelectual discussion on ASCII/IDN benefits/detriments but more of a flame war against ASCII vs IDN. Glad at least that I have someone to keep me company.



- Bob

"ascii" huh? Not everyone in the world is taught to type in "ASCII" based languages.

[wrdekle]

The servants aren't denying the success of their English speaking overlords, they are just quietly investing and preparing for the native language revolution to come. I have nothing against English, I speak it well. I am just fortunate enough to understand the world better than the "English is the language of the internet" crowd. I have nothing against English language domainers either, it's through their early pioneering and experiences that I understand what is about to happen to the very limited internet real estate we have in multiple languages. This is the biggest opportunity in the domaining world today IMO. It may not be an opinion you share and I don't mind, I have no need to convince you otherwise. In the words of our detestable president "history will be the judge".

[DNWizardX9]

good luck gorilla bob investing in .mobi - idns will continue to rise in price

[sdsinc]

Originally Posted by DNWizardX9

good luck gorilla bob investing in .mobi - idns will continue to rise in price

You can have the best of both worlds too: invest in IDN .mobi

[wrdekle]

Originally Posted by sdsinc

You can have the best of both worlds too: invest in IDN .mobi

Honestly, I don't understand the intellectual argument for why the world needs .mobi. However, if IDN did come out and .mobi became .携帯　now THAT would possibly be hot. If it was .モビ that would just be lame.