IDN's dropping like flies

[Doc Com]

No confidence in ICANN and Verisign at all. The whole system needs an enema.

ICANN't do a thing. Their latest meeting was like an Abbott and Costello routine.

[acesfull]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Verisign last year put forth a concept for aliasing called DNAME but seems it is not getting majority support so far since other options are also on the table.

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

On a positive note, the only item missing to get IDNs truly "on a roll" is IE7 deployment in China, Japan, Thailand, Korea, etc. That will almost "for sure" happen in (hopefully) early/mid 2008, and should provide the impetus for idn.com, idn.net, idn.jp, idn.cn, idn.biz, etc. etc. to get into mainstream use.

I think DNAME may still be the final solution, and for now they are just doing a painfully drawn out political dog-and-pony show. I have no idea of the percentage of IE7 users in Japan and China - but I can't imagine it will be too much longer before they get up to speed. Once that is done, and once we really know the "official" status of IDN.IDN/IDN.com, that should be the point when the value of these names can really begin to be realized.

[namelayer]

Just parked a IDN.CN at ND. Lets see what happens.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by namelayer

Just parked a IDN.CN at ND. Lets see what happens.

Keep us posted. All mine are .com and .net, even a couple .us.

[namelayer]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Keep us posted. All mine are .com and .net, even a couple .us.

Will do Doc, Just put up on ND my first two .com IDN I just regged as well. Yesterday was my first time getting into IDN's as I was heavily inspired by Acroplex after reading this whole thread
Just messin Theo

[DNWizardX9]

Still too early to judge traffic as it is mostly small.

People developing their names have gotten tons of traffic and nice ppc.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by DNWizardX9

Still too early to judge traffic as it is mostly small.

People developing their names have gotten tons of traffic and nice ppc.

Would love to develop my Chinese domains. Need good translation tool.

http://www.penreader.com is not in Chinese but I really love the flexibility that they offer. This is a rather new release of a product featured in Forbes.com. Plus, they have made this also for .mobi.

Very promising for multilingual applications.

But I would be curious if there is an accurate English-Chinese translation tool out there.

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Would love to develop my Chinese domains. Need good translation tool.

http://www.penreader.com is not in Chinese but I really love the flexibility that they offer. This is a rather new release of a product featured in Forbes.com. Plus, they have made this also for .mobi.

Very promising for multilingual applications.

But I would be curious if there is an accurate English-Chinese translation tool out there.

I'd focus on Japanese at this point as it is the worlds second largest economy. You can expect to get your moneys worth on these names.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by DNWizardX9

I'd focus on Japanese at this point as it is the worlds second largest economy. You can expect to get your moneys worth on these names.

I have a few japanese IDN's, doing so-so.

But the Japanese words in English translation (non IDN) are doing pretty good.

Regarding Chinese; Ton of traffic, poor conversion, so perhaps mini-sites in chinese is the way to go. Although I was impressed with $0.86-$0.88 PPC with one particular Chinese IDN last month parked at ND.

[markits]

Originally Posted by namelayer

Just parked a IDN.CN at ND. Lets see what happens.

IDN.cn is tricky. In China, .com is the king and you can expect good traffic for good IDN.com (Chinese). However, there isn't any traffic for idn.cn yet. Many people still do not recognise .cn as a domain extension, let alone to visit idn.cn.

Yes I am a native Chinese and have been playing domains for many years now.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Keep us posted. All mine are .com and .net, even a couple .us.

.us don't do IDN

[namelayer]

Originally Posted by markits

IDN.cn is tricky. In China, .com is the king and you can expect good traffic for good IDN.com (Chinese). However, there isn't any traffic for idn.cn yet. Many people still do not recognise .cn as a domain extension, let alone to visit idn.cn.

Yes I am a native Chinese and have been playing domains for many years now.

Yeah, that .cn didnt do squat for me so I let it go. I am just getting into the IDN market and still getting a feel for everything and trying to find out which is the best way to go. I have yet to find a .com that gets even a couple typins a day. I am not done though, I am regging about 20/30 a day untill I find a couple of good traffic ones.
If I could just find out what traditional way is the most popular way the chinese/japanese type it would make it much easier.

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by namelayer

Yeah, that .cn didnt do squat for me so I let it go. I am just getting into the IDN market and still getting a feel for everything and trying to find out which is the best way to go. I have yet to find a .com that gets even a couple typins a day. I am not done though, I am regging about 20/30 a day untill I find a couple of good traffic ones.
If I could just find out what traditional way is the most popular way the chinese/japanese type it would make it much easier.

If you're gonna drop good IDNs at this point with no traffic then you are nuts

Most of mine don't get zip yet... If they all got traffic everything would be gone by now.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by acesfull

I think DNAME may still be the final solution, and for now they are just doing a painfully drawn out political dog-and-pony show. I have no idea of the percentage of IE7 users in Japan and China - but I can't imagine it will be too much longer before they get up to speed. Once that is done, and once we really know the "official" status of IDN.IDN/IDN.com, that should be the point when the value of these names can really begin to be realized.

Read some posts and dialogue with Tina Dam who is in charge of the IDN program for ICANN. She indicated that the proposal for DNAME will probably not be implemented in the fashion proposed by Verisign. She did say that some other forms of "Aliasing" are more likely to be the final solution.

Aliasing will probably be the solution for Arabic, Hebrew etc. the "Right to Left" alphabets. They may be the first to take the full idn.idn plunge soon. My guess is that the RTL idn.com will have to be aliased to fit the language or they will have to flip it leftside of the term as .moc or (moc.)

Originally Posted by namelayer

Yeah, that .cn didnt do squat for me so I let it go. I am just getting into the IDN market and still getting a feel for everything and trying to find out which is the best way to go. I have yet to find a .com that gets even a couple typins a day. I am not done though, I am regging about 20/30 a day untill I find a couple of good traffic ones.
If I could just find out what traditional way is the most popular way the chinese/japanese type it would make it much easier.

I don't think you are going to find too many except adult names that get more than a few hits each day. Things should start to pop once IE7 gets mainstream in 2008, and IDNs start appearing in advertising etc.

Sure might be worth holding good generics, geo domains, and dictionary words for a 2-3 year period and see what happens.

[memmst]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Read some posts and dialogue with Tina Dam who is in charge of the IDN program for ICANN. She indicated that the proposal for DNAME will probably not be implemented in the fashion proposed by Verisign. She did say that some other forms of "Aliasing" are more likely to be the final solution.

Any news on idn's in general and on the above specifically?

[Somatic]

memmst you can find all idn news here idnnews.com

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by memmst

Any news on idn's in general and on the above specifically?

http://www.icann.org/planning/ops-bu...amework-09.pdf

"Follow the money". That quote goes equally well for what is going on with IDNs, as evidenced with ICANN 2009 budget which is layered with IDN budgets and planned expenses.

Things are moving along slowly, but still on course for the rollout of idn.idn in late 2008 and 2009. The heavy idn.idn news in Russia kickstarted idn.com typein traffic for Russian. Traffic is still a trickle for Japanese, Korean, Chinese etc. but they are just getting majorly underway with IE7 which will give IDNs browser support. Hopefully the idn.idn rollouts will do the same for those langauges.

The ICANN 2009 budget...link above.
Read thru and you will find #1 on their priority list is for 2009 is implementation of IDNs. I think they put $ 10,000,000 in the budget for 2009 IDN rollouts. It's all going to happen, just slower than most would like especially those that have been holding IDN.com names since 2000'.

QUOTE FROM ICANN BUDGET:
Strategic Priority Three year deliverables
1. Implement IDNs and new gTLDs
a. Complete the policy process for IDN ccTLDs associated with ISO 3166-1
two-letter codes (IDNC) domains within this plan period, and support the fast
track process with a goal to get first country code IDNCs in the root by late
2008/early 2009.

[gooster]

Originally Posted by stuff

This will be a long thread.

32 pages later...

[trader]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

...still on course for the rollout of idn.idn in late 2008 and 2009.

That is news to me. I have no IDN's at all and do not know much about IDN other than seeing how so many people at places like eBay domains for sale may be confused by idn listings what with the odd characters.

It seems like a new .idn extension could easily ruin values of the non dot-idn domains such as how the introduction of .IN appears to have seriously hurt the old India domains with the old ext such as .co.in net.in org.in etc. If the .idn extension arrives I feel that scenario is quite likely.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by trader

That is news to me. I have no IDN's at all and do not know much about IDN other than seeing how so many people at places like eBay domains for sale may be confused by idn listings what with the odd characters.

It seems like a new .idn extension could easily ruin values of the non dot-idn domains such as how the introduction of .IN appears to have seriously hurt the old India domains with the old ext such as .co.in net.in org.in etc. If the .idn extension arrives I feel that scenario is quite likely.

As you have clearly have the benefit of that 360 vision born of zero research, how interested do you really think we should be in your opinions? Come back when by your own admission you know enough to even form an opinion.