IDN's dropping like flies

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by trader

If the .idn extension arrives I feel that scenario is quite likely.

There is no "if" about idn.idn coming. Its just on the horizon for late 2008, and 2009 on. Its clear that the rollout is fully budgeted and underway. It is also a given if you have kept up with IDN workshops, GNSO policy implementations etc.

To clarify how idn.idn will effect idn.com, idn.net, idn.cc etc. Verisign will have the rights to the equivalent of idn.com in (whatever language) as idn.idn. Same will apply to existing country codes, etc. No one can step in with anything "strikingly or confusingly similar".

More links and information here, might be worth reading up on before the IDN train leaves the station.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Domain_Names

[trader]

As a non-idn owner but a potential idn site visitor I would be much more inclined to visit a site which has .idn extension so at least I have advance knowledge it is an .idn domain.

Now I stay away from idn's when I run across them and rarely if ever click idn links because of the hard to see and tricky looking characters and some worries they could be fraudulent or phishing sites. I do believe an .idn ext may easily contribute to a decline in idn's which are not using the idn extension and make the .idn ext domains more valuable in-effect.

A reason I never got even 1 IDN is because idn's being viewed as the exact opposite of dot-org which org's magically denote a feeling of trust, but idn has a connotation of non-trust to English language based users and web-surfers. A new .idn ext would appear to be a benefit.

Even myself as a non-idn domainer may consider buying genuine looking .idn ext domains which appears to be a major investment opportunity but at the likely expense of all the old idn's. I would not want to have lots of money invested in old idn's once the new ext arrives. Just my 2 cents but I may be wrong of course.

Looks like Rubberduck believes no one should be entitled to give any opinions on issues unless they are already an expert in the subject and agree with his views

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by trader

As a non-idn owner but a potential idn site visitor I would be much more inclined to visit a site which has .idn extension so at least I have advance knowledge it is an .idn domain.

C'man, surely you would not mistake these as anything but IDNs, especially if you are in the domain business?

пол.com
جنس .com
性.com
секс.com
מין .com
kjønn.com

Point is, IDNs are not really meant for "you and I", they are for the 80% of the world that does NOT speak any English. Did you ever wonder why so many Chinese websites are "numericals". That's because most don't speak English, or recognize most latin alphabet. Remembering numbers turned out to be the interum solution for many Chinese websites. Now...they can have Chinese symbols for idn.com, idn.net, idn.cn, idn.tv, and idn.idn.

Originally Posted by trader

Even myself as a non-idn domainer may consider buying genuine looking .idn ext domains which appears to be a major investment opportunity but at the likely expense of all the old idn's. I would not want to have lots of money invested in old idn's once the new ext arrives. Just my 2 cents but I may be wrong of course.

Good luck getting anything during the idn.idn landrush.
Not 100% sure... but for some idn.idn sunrise you may need to be a "citizen" , or have a business, and legitimate address in that country.

[trader]

I was not referring to obvious foreign names but all the attempts to mimic non-foreign words such as putting what looks like an apostrophe instead of a dot above a letter i for example and numerous others which seem to be trying to deceive the visitors.

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

C'man, surely you would not mistake these as anything but IDNs, especially if you are in the domain business?

пол.com
جنس .com
性.com
секс.com
מין .com
kjønn.com

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by trader

I was not referring to obvious foreign names but all the attempts to mimic non-foreign words such as putting what looks like an apostrophe instead of a dot above a letter i for example and numerous others which seem to be trying to deceive the visitors.

IE7 has some built in features against spoofing, but no doubt the system is not foolproof.
Most IDNers are looking for type in traffic to generic key words, geo domains etc. by native language speakers. Namedrive is doing a nice job serving up native language ads and relevant templates.

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/07/31/684337.aspx

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by trader

I was not referring to obvious foreign names but all the attempts to mimic non-foreign words such as putting what looks like an apostrophe instead of a dot above a letter i for example and numerous others which seem to be trying to deceive the visitors.

Respectable IDNers do not invest in that kind of rubbish. We have 4000 domains. Very few of them have Latin characters of any description. Those that do are clearly identifiable words. The vast majority of our portfolios consists of single words or single characters. Frankly, we did not have an in depth enough knowledge of the language to be good at stringing words together.

And no I have no objection to anyone expressing opinions, but if you want respect then back them with facts and logical arguments.

The reason that most domainers end up losing money is because they think it is some kind of Tombola. It is not. All investment decisions need to be backed with sound research. The lack of such solid research ends up in train crashes like the Dot Mobi and Dot Asia.

I don't rejoice in others losing money, which is why I speak up when I feel people are being exploited by scams.

At least I have nobody to blame if my portfolio tanks. The direction of my investment was almost entirely my own idea. Nobody was advising me to do what I was doing just as nobody was strongly advocating that RS or FS should take the direction they did, when they did it. Those that have made lots of money have invariably found their own directions, not followed others like sheep.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

C'man, surely you would not mistake these as anything but IDNs, especially if you are in the domain business?

пол.com
جنس .com
性.com
секс.com
מין .com
kjønn.com

Sorry, but me only see boxes.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by touchring

Sorry, but me only see boxes.

No...I think what your seeing is dollars (in BIG boxes)

[DNWizardX9]

I love dollars

[Wot]

Originally Posted by DNWizardX9

I love dollars

Are they the same as the American peso

[sdsinc]

Americanpeso.com taken since 2005. There are still visionaries

[kwok]

Originally Posted by gooster

32 pages later...

Wow, this thread is still going...

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by kwok

Wow, this thread is still going...

Yes, IDNs are gifts that keep on giving

[DomainsInc]

If idn.idn comes out i think it will end up rendering idn.com,net,org ect obsolete.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

If idn.idn comes out i think it will end up rendering idn.com,net,org ect obsolete.

Thinking normally involves some in depth reasoning. Would you care to share you analysis. Or is this just a development of Descartes philosophy: "I think therefore it is so."

Unfortunately the word think is much abused and now has many meanings:

v.tr.
To have or formulate in the mind.
To reason about or reflect on; ponder: Think how complex language is. Think the matter through.
To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering: thinking what to do.
To judge or regard; look upon: I think it only fair.
To believe; suppose: always thought he was right.

To expect; hope: They thought she'd arrive early.
To intend: They thought they'd take their time.
To call to mind; remember: I can't think what her name was.
To visualize; imagine: Think what a scene it will be at the reunion.
To devise or evolve; invent: thought up a plan to get rich quick.
To bring into a given condition by mental preoccupation: He thought himself into a panic over the impending examination.
To concentrate one's thoughts on: “Think languor” (Diana Vreeland).
v.intr.
To exercise the power of reason, as by conceiving ideas, drawing inferences, and using judgment.
To weigh or consider an idea: They are thinking about moving.
To bring a thought to mind by imagination or invention: No one before had thought of bifocal glasses.
To recall a thought or an image to mind: She thought of her childhood when she saw the movie.
To believe; suppose: He thinks of himself as a wit. It's later than you think.
To have care or consideration: Think first of the ones you love.
To dispose the mind in a given way: Do you think so?

The one I go for is in Red.

[seanboy]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Thinking normally involves some in depth reasoning. Would you care to share you analysis. Or is this just a development of Descartes philosophy: "I think therefore it is so."

Unfortunately the word think is much abused and now has many meanings:

v.tr.
To have or formulate in the mind.
To reason about or reflect on; ponder: Think how complex language is. Think the matter through.
To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering: thinking what to do.
To judge or regard; look upon: I think it only fair.
To believe; suppose: always thought he was right.

To expect; hope: They thought she'd arrive early.
To intend: They thought they'd take their time.
To call to mind; remember: I can't think what her name was.
To visualize; imagine: Think what a scene it will be at the reunion.
To devise or evolve; invent: thought up a plan to get rich quick.
To bring into a given condition by mental preoccupation: He thought himself into a panic over the impending examination.
To concentrate one's thoughts on: “Think languor” (Diana Vreeland).
v.intr.
To exercise the power of reason, as by conceiving ideas, drawing inferences, and using judgment.
To weigh or consider an idea: They are thinking about moving.
To bring a thought to mind by imagination or invention: No one before had thought of bifocal glasses.
To recall a thought or an image to mind: She thought of her childhood when she saw the movie.
To believe; suppose: He thinks of himself as a wit. It's later than you think.
To have care or consideration: Think first of the ones you love.
To dispose the mind in a given way: Do you think so?

The one I go for is in Red.

Wow. You are one arrogant SOB.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by seanboy

Wow. You are one arrogant SOB.

No, the arrogance is to trash a complete investment class without proferring any kind of explanation.

[seanboy]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

No, the arrogance is to trash a complete investment class without proferring any kind of explanation.

I have no problem with IDN's. But I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has a problem with the way you talk down to other members here, especially anyone who disagrees with you on the subject.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by seanboy

I have no problem with IDN's. But I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has a problem with the way you talk down to other members here, especially anyone who disagrees with you on the subject.

Well in my book this is right up there with dot Mobi will replace dot Com. And any rational individual knows that to be nonsense.

[seanboy]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Well in my book this is right up there with dot Mobi will replace dot Com. And any rational individual knows that to be nonsense.

Not everyone who buys dotMobi's subscribes to that thought. I surely don't.

Sorry to interrupt your thread. You may resume telling the rest of us how smart you are.

Dick.