Domainers are Losers

[Raider]

Originally Posted by trader

What is wrong with YoungChildren.com website anyway? It's a kids learning site.

What does it have to do with this thread?

Nothing at all, getschoolhelp just wants turn it into something that it's not. I was in on that appraisal thread BTW.

http://www.dnforum.com/f4/youngchild...ad-267410.html

Originally Posted by Domainator

Congrats!

Thank you!. Escrow just started today.

[MAllie]

[quote=Raider;1497084]Nothing at all, getschoolhelp just wants turn it into something that it's not. I was in on that appraisal thread BTW. quote]

I'm actually quite fed up with this aspect of modern life. Any reference to young children must be pornographic; see two women friends hugging and they're lesbians, while two men with their arms around each other have to be gay; sisters and brothers who are close have to bear sly digs about incest.

I think it's all getting quite ridiculous. :(

[Seraphim]

[QUOTE=MAllie;1497100]

Originally Posted by Raider

Nothing at all, getschoolhelp just wants turn it into something that it's not. I was in on that appraisal thread BTW. quote]

I'm actually quite fed up with this aspect of modern life. Any reference to young children must be pornographic; see two women friends hugging and they're lesbians, while two men with their arms around each other have to be gay; sisters and brothers who are close have to bear sly digs about incest.

I think it's all getting quite ridiculous. :(

...an Irishman with a pint, he must be an alcoholic.

How's Dublin? I got to get out to the motherland finally.

[MAllie]

Dead on, Seraphim!

Dublin is good at the moment, although we're officially in recession since last week. Anyone who left the place ten years ago and came back today would be amazed at the changes. We look like a cosmopolitan city at last, with all the 'furriners' around. And the city centre seems like the poor relation of all the snazzy malls scattered around, with their American and British franchises. Do come when you get a chance. Where do your folks hail from?

[1john2004]

Yes,we are loosers. Welcome to the club!

[lordbyroniv]

Originally Posted by 1john2004

yes,we are loosers. Welcome to the club!

losers, not, loosers

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by MAllie

Dead on, Seraphim!

Dublin is good at the moment, although we're officially in recession since last week. Anyone who left the place ten years ago and came back today would be amazed at the changes. We look like a cosmopolitan city at last, with all the 'furriners' around. And the city centre seems like the poor relation of all the snazzy malls scattered around, with their American and British franchises. Do come when you get a chance. Where do your folks hail from?

My grandparents came from somewhere within County Mayo. The pictures I've seen of that area were beautiful.

[DomainerScript]

Originally Posted by lordbyroniv

losers, not, loosers

Well, some might be loose on this board. Don't want to go there.

[Raider]

I have enough confidence in my domains that it would not rattle me of what others say or think.

[guix]

tldrental's postis inspiring, although there are some problems with the development and adsense monetization road. One of them was raised : these revenues are getting lower and lower. Another one was not raised and it has a lot of things to do with the difference between a good developed website, and MFA websites or weak quality affiliates websites.

For a webmaster the road is simple : develop less sites, but put your best in them. Anybody can do this in 2008. For the pure domainer, you don't bother with development at all because the quality of your names brings the revenue. But you can't do this in 2008. The suggested road by tldrental is the webmainer approach : between the domainer and the webmaster. You can still do this in 2008 but they key factor is how much time do you devote for how much domains.

I believe that to succeed, the webmainer must privilege the quality of his developments, and therefore he's more a webmaster than a domainer. Today, you can build a business in optimizing the number and the quality of your websites, if you take care that each of them keeps above the search engines quality filters. But it is not sustainable. The unavoidable trend is the constant increase of the quality filters of the search engines, because relevance is their core business. So I believe you have to build quite above the bottom of the quality filters and therefore reduce the number of your domains.

I think of this strategy for a beginner in domaining today :

1) you develop a few names into very good websites that you monetize. These are the names you want to keep unless you get a wonderful offer. This is 100% webmaster business.

2) you develop other good or medium names without monetizing them in order to avoid getting desindexed, and you sell them at the first reasonable offer covering your name acquisition and your time invested. On the names you really don't want to invest much time, you put at least one page of content.This is the name breeder approach.

3) if you have medium quality names you can't even build a page for (for example in a foreign language) you try to resell them cheap in forums

4) you let expire all your crap

What do you think ? I'm already doing 3 and 4 which is the easiest and non-rewarding part. I'm still wondering if I'll apply 1 and 2 or not... The alternative is selling cheap most of my names and get out of the business, come back to my webmaster roots and focus on building a business on one or a very limited number of names.

[bgmv]

Originally Posted by lordbyroniv

no no no and no

I do VERY well off domains

It is clearly possible to make decent money from domains - I know from first hand experience

However, some of the domains I see people getting excited about on this board are just laughable. I wouldnt even take some of these domains if given to me for free. And that goes for the majority of domains discussed on this forum.

That said, my point was merely, that the MAJORITY of domainers will not succeed off their hand regs. Hence they are losers. At least in my book.

I know. I know. The truth is brutal. It hurts. :(

David, are you referring to crappy hand regs like:

NoClosing.net trying to sell for $70???

[tldrental]

Originally Posted by guix

guix

You are absolutely correct about the adsense in general, I was using adsense as an example. I personally do not depend on adsense although I do include it on every site and generate .40 cents to $4 a day per site with adsense, I include many other affiliate and sponsor programs like ww.cj.com , http://www.linkshare.com/online_marketing/ , http://www.entireweb.com/speedyads/publisher/ and many many more out there guys. A lot of them pay per lead or click and also additionally the lead converts. My objective is to convert a sponsorship of $30 - $100 depending on the niche I am pushing.

Also keep an eye out for monetzied RSS feed, it's out there now,Im keeping those sources close to my vest, but you can find them.


Rich

[DotComGod]

Originally Posted by tldrental

Also keep an eye out for monetzied RSS feed, it's out there now,Im keeping those sources close to my vest, but you can find them.

Rich

Here's a good article to follow that up with.

http://www.doshdosh.com/monetize-rss-feed-advertising/

-=DCG=-

[tldrental]

Originally Posted by DotComGod

Here's a good article to follow that up with.

http://www.doshdosh.com/monetize-rss-feed-advertising/

-=DCG=-

LOL....Adam your so funny, yes there are a few of the ones I use included in your link.

Rich

[trader]

Originally Posted by guix

tldrental's postis inspiring, although there are some problems with the development and adsense monetization road. One of them was raised : these revenues are getting lower and lower. Another one was not raised and it has a lot of things to do with the difference between a good developed website, and MFA websites or weak quality affiliates websites..

There seems to be an odd inverse relationship in that the more sites you have the less your earnings comparatively speaking.

The more traffic you get the less your earnings as a ratio.

Others have also commented on that anomaly.

[justinXcore!]

Originally Posted by tekz999

lordbyroniv: you are not a winner. Take that.

That was obvious.

[Cap Loko]

My 2 cents as a newbie;

It's a great topic! But, to me a loser is only someone who after a loss gives up and never tries again.

I started buying domains about 2 years ago. Made some terrible mistakes in the beginning; the biggest one giving a domainname appraisel based on what I learned from offline business. Shame on me!
Currently owning 24 domains. Didn't earn anything so far, only lost money but gained some knowledge and experience. Have to change my tactics now.

I gave the first domain i developed into a website away to a person with a practice . It was a [oneword-practitioner-keyword].info that made it on the 5th place of google results without doing any SEO. It encouraged me to go further.
5 other keyword-rich domainnames I have, lead to the website of a family business. The remaining domainnames I have are just waiting for development. Yes, a few are crappy domains and I will not renew them anymore. The rest of my domains (all handregged) may not seem worthy enough to other domainers (actually i dont know) but I do believe these can work with proper development.

Nevertheless, I believe that if you want to make good money in this business, it is essential to listen to and learn from the pros and spend lots of time on this.
I am working on my domains every now and then but I realise this is not good enough if i really want to monetize my domains. Slowly, I am putting more and more time in this 'game' , it becomes addictive.

[DomainerScript]

This thread reminded me of a clip from a Seinfeld episode:

Just imagine George as a domainer that blew up in frustration and then, the next day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIMmuMQozc

[mvl]

If I am loser, who is losest?

[DomainNameShark]

It only takes one big sale to break out of "loser" status, so just be patient.

I have made one sale that paid for all the registrations and renewals for my domains. Just be patient and market toward end users. This game definitely takes patience. You won't reg a $7 domain and sell it for thousands the same day, but there is hope out there. This industry continues to grow as more companies and businesses are looking to make an online presence and willing to spend more for the right domain.