Hey Noobs! quit sending out these emails

[UpMarketDns.com]

BestGards.com is available!

It's not now !

[Mr. Deleted]

Your offer was not accepted, because it is below our minimum offer amount of $97.

[katherine]

It's not now !

Still available.

[bmugford]

Here we go again. Just came in right now. With the combination of turd domain and broken English I can't imagine they make any sales.

Hi,

Do you interest in XXXXXXXX.in ? If you would like to consider acquiring this domain name, I would be happy to discuss a price that suits your budget.
I think,We could finish the transaction through www.sedo.com a international Domain trade agency

At last,Sorry for the disturb if any.

Best gards

John


When I looked up the whois for both recent emails they both showed the same info -

Created On:30-Mar-2010 13:49:44 UTC
Last Updated On:29-May-2010 19:20:18 UTC
Expiration Date:30-Mar-2011 13:49:44 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Directi Web Services Pvt. Ltd. (R118-AFIN)
Status:OK
Registrant ID:DI_7878513
Registrant Name:Liu
Registrant Organization:xiong
Registrant Street1:503 Room
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:New Delhi
Registrant State/Province:New Delhi
Registrant Postal Code:100000
Registrant Country:IN
Registrant Phone:+91.12345678
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:ly212999@gmail.com

The info appears to track back to this thread -
http://www.dnforum.com/f363/500-doma...ad-317314.html

Brad

[Sapphiro]

Not professional, but can't really blame them.. not everyone in this world speaks or knows English you see..

I bet the same thing happened to me when I translated my "domain for sale" emails in Japanese and Korean using Google last week..

[NAK]

Biggie, Acro, knocking off someone for their poor English or grammar is not nice. Don't chide someone for trying. Does he have to pass honors in English to start engaging in domain solicitations. How many Greeks do domaining with poor English?

If this makes you feel good, what the hell? That dude could be making more money than you.

you are right about this, so many people on forums are very cruel to people who english or grammar is not so good. very mean people on this forum that is why i have not posted here in long time, just because english is not primary language is no reason to make fun of them.

[katherine]

Here we go again. Just came in right now. With the combination of turd domain and broken English I can't imagine they make any sales.

That's what one would think
https://www.sedo.co.uk/search/detail...id=&language=e

I just received two spams from that scummer, reporting them to Sedo.

[biggedon]

Originally Posted by nameadvertising.com
Biggie, Acro, knocking off someone for their poor English or grammar is not nice. Don't chide someone for trying. Does he have to pass honors in English to start engaging in domain solicitations. How many Greeks do domaining with poor English?

If this makes you feel good, what the hell? That dude could be making more money than you.

you are right about this, so many people on forums are very cruel to people who english or grammar is not so good. very mean people on this forum that is why i have not posted here in long time, just because english is not primary language is no reason to make fun of them.

you quoted a quote, that misrepresented the intent of this thread

[Gerry]

I've been getting Legal Notices from China.

Supposedly someone "trademarking" domains I own.

When they provide the list of similar ccTLD's that are supposedly in their possession, the other ccTLD's have not been regged.

So be aware of attempts to defraud by threats to take the name legally.

---------- Post added at 11:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 AM ----------

Also, these noob contacts pale in number to the ones that are always pitching "Since I own .........in dot net, would you be interested in the .com for limited time price of $199.99."

[NAK]

you quoted a quote, that misrepresented the intent of this thread

what nameadvertising says is truth, no matter what intent of thread is. i would like to see you be on receiving end and see how you like it.

[acronym007]

biggedon is 100% correct.

Business acumen 101

The domain is English, the forum is English, the email address the spam is sent to is in English. If you expect to sell to an English population then you must learn to speak or write in the language of that population. If I am to sell to the Chinese or Russians I sure better learn the language they speak or I have no hope of a sale. What the "sensitive people" are missing here is the message. YOU will not sell unless you learn to first write. This is not an attack on one's attempt to learn a language, rather one's attempt to sell without first learning the language. Part of the sale will be predicated on one's command of the language to which the seller seeks a buyer.

[MAllie]

This is not an attack on one's attempt to learn a language[/I], rather one's attempt to sell without first learning the language. Part of the sale will be predicated on one's command of the language to which the seller seeks a buyer.

Do you mean, on one's command of the language in which the seller seeks a buyer, lol?

OK, that's a typo, and it doesn't stop me knowing what you mean. But I, also, feel for those who are doing their best to learn domaining in a foreign environment. Maybe it's something about being from a country where the native language wasn't originally English, but I think there's a fine line to be drawn between criticising and mocking.

Yes, spam is unpleasant wherever it comes from, but when you think of all the books and websites out there claiming that this is the right way to go about selling, who can blame someone unfamiliar with both the language and the business from committing a faux pas. Maybe someone more experienced could write a post for the newbies on the forum (including myself) on exactly what constitutes spam? Are we spamming potential end users by offering them our domains? Hopefully not, but where does the difference lie? I have always found this forum to be helpful, and it would be a shame were this helpfulness to spill over into contempt for those not as fortunate in birthplace where one of the main world business languages is concerned.

[razorblade]

Just out of interest, is there any difference between spamming and approaching a potential end user?

I will answer my own question!

Sending out thousands of emails to holders of the .com, asking, are you interested in the same name in .crap.....?? I see that as spamming.

But doing research into a company that could benefit from your domain because it will give them the generic in their business niche sounds like fair game and is something I have been doing for quite a while, with good results - one email at a time.

The key is doing research.

If you manage to get hold of a CEO's email address through Linked In for example and you send him an email with a classy (not tacky) headline, and in the body of the email you make it clear that you have researched his company and that you own a valuable domain that could really benefit the company with tangible results, then you are already half way there....

[MAllie]

Just out of interest, is there any difference between spamming and approaching a potential end user?

I will answer my own question!

Sending out thousands of emails to holders of the .com, asking, are you interested in the same name in .crap.....?? I see that as spamming.

But doing research into a company that could benefit from your domain because it will give them the generic in their business niche sounds like fair game and is something I have been doing for quite a while, with good results - one email at a time.

The key is doing research.

If you manage to get hold of a CEO's email address through Linked In for example and you send him an email with a classy (not tacky) headline, and in the body of the email you make it clear that you have researched his company and that you own a valuable domain that could really benefit the company with tangible results, then you are already half way there....

That all makes sense, razorblade, except that I'm a little confused, as I thought the question about the difference between spamming and approaching a potential end user was mine, lol.

Anyway, what you seem to be saying is that the difference lies in the number of emails you send and in the crapness of the domain being offered.

I can see that sending emails indiscriminately (similar to those offers I get daily to extend equipment that I don't possess) is spam. But if you targeted your emails carefully, surely they wouldn't be spam no matter how many you sent? Of course, targeting carefully would probably presuppose the discovery of only a small number of potential end users to whom to send your email.

The crapness or otherwise of a domain is a problem for me, as it obviously is for many newbies, going on the number of requests for appraisal on forums like this one. Presumably if you thought your domain were crap, you wouldn't be trying to sell it? If you were trying to sell a domain you knew to be crap, I think that it would be not just spamming but tending towards fraud.

So, to give newbies like me the benefit of the doubt, we think our domains are of a quality that is worth offering to others, although more experienced domainers can see clearly that they are not.

So it seems to me that what is needed is a really good way of learning how to appraise our domains before we are let loose on an unsuspecting end user public. The claim is that experience will furnish us with this knowledge, but surely trying to sell the domains (fruitlessly) is all part of this experience?

[razorblade]

That all makes sense, razorblade, except that I'm a little confused, as I thought the question about the difference between spamming and approaching a potential end user was mine, lol.
So it seems to me that what is needed is a really good way of learning how to appraise our domains before we are let loose on an unsuspecting end user public. The claim is that experience will furnish us with this knowledge, but surely trying to sell the domains (fruitlessly) is all part of this experience?

My apologies Mallie,

You definitely get the credit for it!!

With regard to the real value of the domain deciding whether or not you are a spammer I believe is not the issue.

Spamming involves intent.

Trying to earn a living by creating a win/win situation for both domainer and end user is key. Getting the worth of a domain right has always been the magic about this business. The value (as I am sure you have heard 100 times) is what someone is willing to pay for it.

I think even beginners know that Candy.Com is a good name and Notforme.ws is a crap domain. Thats the easy part. Its everything in the middle that takes time. I am still learning after six years. Best of luck

[MAllie]

My apologies Mallie,

You definitely get the credit for it!!

With regard to the real value of the domain deciding whether or not you are a spammer I believe is not the issue . . . Spamming involves intent. I think even beginners know that Candy.Com is a good name and Notforme.ws is a crap domain. Thats the easy part. Its everything in the middle that takes time. I am still learning after six years. Best of luck

Thanks, razorblade, though I did have my tongue in my cheek about who first posed the question.

To return to the issue, since you accept that spamming involves intent, and we are agreed on the difficulty of knowing the value of the domain name one is offering, this means that there are probably a heck of a lot of newbies out there who are not actually spamming when they offer their domains in good faith, not realising they are of little or maybe even no value.

If we add to the equation the fact that many newbies are also struggling with English, we can see that there is a good possibility that an email offering a domain might not be from a spammer at all, but is merely poorly designed in both direction and content, and so deserves the patience and good will of the recipient as a response to his or her attempt to join the exalted ranks of professional domainers. After all, how long does it take to delete an email?

[draggar]

Also, these noob contacts pale in number to the ones that are always pitching "Since I own .........in dot net, would you be interested in the .com for limited time price of $199.99."

99% of the time you can register the .com at your favorite registrar.