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**Luc** · 02-12-2008, 03:40 PM

Arbitrage KILLS PPC.

I've seen companies and individuals make four to six figures DAILY on arbitrage, buying shit traffic and pumping it at google, which was more than happy to cash in on it and rape their advertisers. This is being done to this day.

For those of you that are blind, anything that hurts the advertisers, hurts the PPC business, and sooner rather than later, advertisers will realize this and start putting their money into something that won't rob them blind. Please don't tell me what a great job you're doing saving advertisers money by buying clicks from some half *** source and sending it to someone who pays more for them, expecting to get quality traffic but getting crap instead.

Bold move on Yahoo's part. I applaud them for it.

**Acro** · 02-12-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Luc

Bold move on Yahoo's part. I applaud them for it.

I want to see them ending that TQ crap as well.
I never liked Yahoo. I hope they get swallowed up by Microsoft.

**Devil Dog** · 02-12-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luc

Arbitrage KILLS PPC.

I've seen companies and individuals make four to six figures DAILY on arbitrage, buying shit traffic and pumping it at google, which was more than happy to cash in on it and rape their advertisers. This is being done to this day.

For those of you that are blind, anything that hurts the advertisers, hurts the PPC business, and sooner rather than later, advertisers will realize this and start putting their money into something that won't rob them blind. Please don't tell me what a great job you're doing saving advertisers money by buying clicks from some half *** source and sending it to someone who pays more for them, expecting to get quality traffic but getting crap instead.

Bold move on Yahoo's part. I applaud them for it.

Good point.

**tonyfloyd** · 02-12-2008, 03:44 PM

time to develop.....:(

**ilovedomains** · 02-12-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by petrosc

does this mean expired websites with existing backlinks will no longer be monetized?

"If your traffic originates from any sources other than type-in and search engine traffic, you will not be entitled to payment"

I always wondered how long it would take Yahoo and Google to get a clue.

I think all the link traffic will eventually wind up at places like ask.com getting the 2 & 3 cents a click its really worth.

**petrosc** · 02-12-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovedomains

"If your traffic originates from any sources other than type-in and search engine traffic, you will not be entitled to payment"

I always wondered how long it would take Yahoo and Google to get a clue.

I think all the link traffic will eventually wind up at places like ask.com getting the 2 & 3 cents a click its really worth.

yeah but ask.com is also Google feed, why would Google allow ask.com to monetize it in that case

If Google bans link traffic as well there will be no place to park such domains

**cybertonic** · 02-12-2008, 03:52 PM

Hello Luc,

I am more an advertiser than a publisher, maybe this is why I hate arbitrage for a long time. For example we stopped using secondary ppc search engines mainly for this reason and I guess a lot did the same.
So YES arbitrage tends to kill PPC.

Arbitrage also leads to an horrible experience for the users.

Google is fighting these practices for years, I still remember a video from Google showing GEOSIGN (one of the arbitrage champion) doing arbitrage.
GEOSIGN get hited for abusing of these practices few years ago.

**BILLBO** · 02-12-2008, 03:53 PM

Well it is developing now for sure, even a half hearted attempt at a site will pay more for sure.

**Luc** · 02-12-2008, 04:02 PM

Cybertronic,

That is exactly right. It takes an advertiser & publisher to see the full picture and understand the severity of the problem. I was in the same boat. I ended up pulling all Google network ads and secondary search engine ads on my ad campaigns.

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Originally Posted by BILLBO

Well it is developing now for sure, even a half hearted attempt at a site will pay more for sure.

Developing was ALWAYS the way to go in my book. Creating something of value is better for the domain owner, potential buyer and the internet community. Not to mention it yields higher sales prices. I think everyone is pretty fed up with ads.

Luc

**ilovedomains** · 02-12-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by petrosc

yeah but ask.com is also Google feed, why would Google allow ask.com to monetize it in that case

If Google bans link traffic as well there will be no place to park such domains

There always were PPC search engines buying link traffic before Google and Yahoo came along. Ask.com was one of them. Since they pay next to nothing, I assume they dont charge advertisers a lot to buy the traffic.

**whitebark** · 02-12-2008, 04:40 PM

I run dozens of affiliate websites and inbound link traffic from good sources can convert VERY WELL. To say all link traffic is poor is a gross generalization.

**miraculix123** · 02-12-2008, 05:07 PM

.. and arbitrage and arbitrage is not the same.
And traffic quality score is the number of conversion from the advertiser, isn`t it?

it`s the microsoft offer, nothing else. yahoo for its own was on the right way with the TQS and sort out the really bad traffic.

**ilovedomains** · 02-12-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by whitebark

I run dozens of affiliate websites and inbound link traffic from good sources can convert VERY WELL. To say all link traffic is poor is a gross generalization.

Well then, the sun is shining for all the link traffic guys!!! They can just send their traffic to affiliate sites and get rich

Heres the difference. When your send traffic to affiliate sites, you work to find traffic that converts. When sending traffic to search engines, you dont care how good it is, you send them anything their stupid enough to pay for.

**omosquera** · 02-12-2008, 05:30 PM

Like I said, time to develop.

... Yahoo just stared cutting jobs too

http://lta.reuters.com/article/busin...26483620080212

Banned: domain newbie · 02-12-2008, 07:25 PM

boo- i'm the last person to find out about Arbitrage

always wondered how some crappy names generates traffic- when my less crappy stands at zero

**StuntPope** · 02-12-2008, 07:51 PM

Still unanswered: not paying out on traffic that is not search engine or type-in leaves us wondering about expired domains with linkpop? (Or just existing domain backlinks?)

**VirtualT** · 02-12-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by StuntPope

Still unanswered: not paying out on traffic that is not search engine or type-in leaves us wondering about expired domains with linkpop? (Or just existing domain backlinks?)

thats ones got me as well, whats up with that?

**tonyfloyd** · 02-12-2008, 07:55 PM

anybody seen Focus??...i thought he was the official rah-rah cheerleader for Parked.com....Maybe this isn't good news for him either??..curious to hear his feedback on this......

**petrosc** · 02-12-2008, 07:56 PM

superb article on DomainNameWire about this:
http://domainnamewire.com/2008/02/12...google-others/

**BILLBO** · 02-12-2008, 08:04 PM

Good link Petros.

02-12-2008, 03:40 PM	#21 (permalink)
Luc Old school Name: Luc L. Last Online: Yesterday 07:56 PM iTrader: (7) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,551 DNF$: 13,027 Location: Los Angeles Country:	Arbitrage KILLS PPC. I've seen companies and individuals make four to six figures DAILY on arbitrage, buying shit traffic and pumping it at google, which was more than happy to cash in on it and rape their advertisers. This is being done to this day. For those of you that are blind, anything that hurts the advertisers, hurts the PPC business, and sooner rather than later, advertisers will realize this and start putting their money into something that won't rob them blind. Please don't tell me what a great job you're doing saving advertisers money by buying clicks from some half * source and sending it to someone who pays more for them, expecting to get quality traffic but getting crap instead. Bold move on Yahoo's part. I applaud them for it. __________________ Looking for type-in domains? Page Rank Domains? Link Popularity Domains? Alexa Domains? Domain Research Tool Finds, Tracks and Acquires** domains.

02-12-2008, 03:44 PM	#24 (permalink)
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02-12-2008, 03:52 PM	#27 (permalink)
cybertonic DNF Regular Last Online: Today 07:29 AM iTrader: (21) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 811 DNF$: 1,493 Location: .	Hello Luc, I am more an advertiser than a publisher, maybe this is why I hate arbitrage for a long time. For example we stopped using secondary ppc search engines mainly for this reason and I guess a lot did the same. So YES arbitrage tends to kill PPC. Arbitrage also leads to an horrible experience for the users. Google is fighting these practices for years, I still remember a video from Google showing GEOSIGN (one of the arbitrage champion) doing arbitrage. GEOSIGN get hited for abusing of these practices few years ago. __________________ Domaining.com --- It's about making money with domain names.

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BILLBO Last Online: 11-16-2009 05:02 AM iTrader: (18) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,330 DNF$: 459 Location: England Country:	Well it is developing now for sure, even a half hearted attempt at a site will pay more for sure. __________________ JesusChri.st....... ChristJes.us....... Arkans.as.......Wiscons.in.......Fig.ht If interested then PM me!

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whitebark Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Roy Last Online: Yesterday 11:44 PM iTrader: (62) Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,693 DNF$: 100 Location: Canada eh? Country:	I run dozens of affiliate websites and inbound link traffic from good sources can convert VERY WELL. To say all link traffic is poor is a gross generalization. __________________ Register Canadian Domain Names \| ~GlobeTrot.ca Currently in Orange Beach Alabama!

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miraculix123 Gold Lifetime Member Last Online: 06-19-2009 09:08 AM iTrader: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 32 DNF$: 100 Location: www Country:	.. and arbitrage and arbitrage is not the same. And traffic quality score is the number of conversion from the advertiser, isn`t it? it`s the microsoft offer, nothing else. yahoo for its own was on the right way with the TQS and sort out the really bad traffic.

02-12-2008, 05:30 PM	#34 (permalink)
omosquera Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Oscar Mosquera Last Online: 11-18-2009 09:58 PM iTrader: (2) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 443 DNF$: 1,650 Location: Cali Country:	Like I said, time to develop. ... Yahoo just stared cutting jobs too http://lta.reuters.com/article/busin...26483620080212 __________________ Take a ride to my Blog \| .co The next boom! Last edited by omosquera; 02-12-2008 at 05:36 PM..

02-12-2008, 07:25 PM	#35 (permalink)
Banned: domain newbie Account Terminated Last Online: 06-19-2008 12:08 PM iTrader: (22) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,891 DNF$: 12,660 Location: my home is where my bank account is Country:	boo- i'm the last person to find out about Arbitrage always wondered how some crappy names generates traffic- when my less crappy stands at zero

02-12-2008, 07:51 PM	#36 (permalink)
StuntPope DNF Member Last Online: 11-06-2009 12:40 PM iTrader: (7) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 140 DNF$: 3,392 Location: Canada	Still unanswered: not paying out on traffic that is not search engine or type-in leaves us wondering about expired domains with linkpop? (Or just existing domain backlinks?) __________________ I have nothing original to say in my .sig

02-12-2008, 07:55 PM	#38 (permalink)
tonyfloyd Wordpress Guru Name: Antonis Last Online: Today 12:15 AM iTrader: (58) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,505 DNF$: 10,811 Location: Greece Country:	anybody seen Focus??...i thought he was the official rah-rah cheerleader for Parked.com....Maybe this isn't good news for him either??..curious to hear his feedback on this...... __________________ Web Design \| Italian Recipes \| Keyword Links

02-12-2008, 07:56 PM	#39 (permalink)
petrosc Name: Petros Last Online: Today 01:55 AM iTrader: (84) Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,636 DNF$: 2,130 Location: Czech Republic Country:	superb article on DomainNameWire about this: http://domainnamewire.com/2008/02/12...google-others/ __________________ FREE SEO Course From The Guys Who Practically Invented SEO. Click Here Follow Me On Twitter: Click Here

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BILLBO Last Online: 11-16-2009 05:02 AM iTrader: (18) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,330 DNF$: 459 Location: England Country:	Good link Petros. __________________ JesusChri.st....... ChristJes.us....... Arkans.as.......Wiscons.in.......Fig.ht If interested then PM me!

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