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| Old school Name: Luc Lezon Last Online: Today 03:32 PM iTrader: (7) Join Date: Jul 2002
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Country: | Arbitrage KILLS PPC. I've seen companies and individuals make four to six figures DAILY on arbitrage, buying shit traffic and pumping it at google, which was more than happy to cash in on it and rape their advertisers. This is being done to this day. For those of you that are blind, anything that hurts the advertisers, hurts the PPC business, and sooner rather than later, advertisers will realize this and start putting their money into something that won't rob them blind. Please don't tell me what a great job you're doing saving advertisers money by buying clicks from some half *** source and sending it to someone who pays more for them, expecting to get quality traffic but getting crap instead. Bold move on Yahoo's part. I applaud them for it.
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| Bloody lovely Last Online: Today 06:22 PM iTrader: (393) Join Date: Feb 2004
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DNF$: 3,447 Location: USA
Country: | I want to see them ending that TQ crap as well. I never liked Yahoo. I hope they get swallowed up by Microsoft.
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| Name: Darren Last Online: Today 03:48 PM iTrader: (75) Join Date: Feb 2006
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I always wondered how long it would take Yahoo and Google to get a clue. I think all the link traffic will eventually wind up at places like ask.com getting the 2 & 3 cents a click its really worth. | |
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| Name: Petros Last Online: Today 03:36 PM iTrader: (84) Join Date: Jan 2005
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If Google bans link traffic as well there will be no place to park such domains
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| DNF Regular Last Online: Yesterday 05:28 PM iTrader: (21) Join Date: Dec 2005
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DNF$: 1,493 Location: . | Hello Luc, I am more an advertiser than a publisher, maybe this is why I hate arbitrage for a long time. For example we stopped using secondary ppc search engines mainly for this reason and I guess a lot did the same. So YES arbitrage tends to kill PPC. Arbitrage also leads to an horrible experience for the users. Google is fighting these practices for years, I still remember a video from Google showing GEOSIGN (one of the arbitrage champion) doing arbitrage. GEOSIGN get hited for abusing of these practices few years ago.
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| Old school Name: Luc Lezon Last Online: Today 03:32 PM iTrader: (7) Join Date: Jul 2002
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DNF$: 13,007 Location: Los Angeles
Country: | Cybertronic, That is exactly right. It takes an advertiser & publisher to see the full picture and understand the severity of the problem. I was in the same boat. I ended up pulling all Google network ads and secondary search engine ads on my ad campaigns. Quote:
Luc
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| Platinum Lifetime Member | Quote:
There always were PPC search engines buying link traffic before Google and Yahoo came along. Ask.com was one of them. Since they pay next to nothing, I assume they dont charge advertisers a lot to buy the traffic. | |
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| Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Roy Last Online: Today 10:24 AM iTrader: (61) Join Date: Jul 2006
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DNF$: 100 Location: Canada eh?
Country: | I run dozens of affiliate websites and inbound link traffic from good sources can convert VERY WELL. To say all link traffic is poor is a gross generalization.
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Country: | .. and arbitrage and arbitrage is not the same. And traffic quality score is the number of conversion from the advertiser, isn`t it? it`s the microsoft offer, nothing else. yahoo for its own was on the right way with the TQS and sort out the really bad traffic. |
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![]() Heres the difference. When your send traffic to affiliate sites, you work to find traffic that converts. When sending traffic to search engines, you dont care how good it is, you send them anything their stupid enough to pay for. | |
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| Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Oscar Mosquera Last Online: Yesterday 11:42 PM iTrader: (2) Join Date: Feb 2006
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DNF$: 1,650 Location: Cali
Country: | Like I said, time to develop. ... Yahoo just stared cutting jobs too ![]() http://lta.reuters.com/article/busin...26483620080212
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| Account Terminated Last Online: 06-19-2008 12:08 PM iTrader: (22) Join Date: Mar 2005
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DNF$: 12,204 Location: my home is where my bank account is
Country: | boo- i'm the last person to find out about Arbitrage ![]() ![]() always wondered how some crappy names generates traffic- when my less crappy stands at zero |
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| DNF Member Last Online: 11-06-2009 12:40 PM iTrader: (7) Join Date: Jun 2004
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DNF$: 3,392 Location: Canada | Still unanswered: not paying out on traffic that is not search engine or type-in leaves us wondering about expired domains with linkpop? (Or just existing domain backlinks?)
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| Wordpress Guru Name: Tony Last Online: Today 07:41 AM iTrader: (58) Join Date: Apr 2007
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DNF$: 10,787 Location: New York
Country: | anybody seen Focus??...i thought he was the official rah-rah cheerleader for Parked.com....Maybe this isn't good news for him either??..curious to hear his feedback on this...... |
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| Name: Petros Last Online: Today 03:36 PM iTrader: (84) Join Date: Jan 2005
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DNF$: 1,978 Location: Czech Republic
Country: | superb article on DomainNameWire about this: http://domainnamewire.com/2008/02/12...google-others/
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