TQ going from a 10 to a 1

**David G** · 10-06-2009, 02:29 PM

My TQ score has finally hit the bottom, going in date order over past few mos from 10 to 9 to 10 to 2 to 8 to 2 to 3 to 1

That really sucks especially since I know my traffic is definately good quality and 80-90% U.S. based with lots of typeins in good categories.

Odd thing is my sites and traffic are the same now as when I was a consistent TQ 9-10 for weeks on-end and when my revenue was roughly triple what is now.

Anyone else see these swings?

**Donny Simonton** · 10-06-2009, 03:52 PM

trader - I don't think you are actually a 1. It looks like the formating we are getting in from Yahoo may have changed a bit. Give me a day or so to get it figured out. This may give me time to change to include more countries while I'm at it.

Donny

**David G** · 10-06-2009, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by donsimon

trader - I don't think you are actually a 1. It looks like the formating we are getting in from Yahoo may have changed a bit. Give me a day or so to get it figured out. This may give me time to change to include more countries while I'm at it.

Donny

OK, thanks.

p.s. it's been a 1 for two consecutive TQ updates.

**Donny Simonton** · 10-06-2009, 07:04 PM

Trader - Actually it's correct, I'll PM you and explain.

Donny

**David G** · 10-17-2009, 07:24 PM

Donny did PM me rigt away saying the reason for my TQ 1 was all attributable to one domain (also my best name at parked) which allegedly did not convert well for advertisers and that was the problem.

I seriously doubted

it was correct information (since the domain is very well targeted with 90% typeins) but the name was immediately moved away from Parked.com anyway to a different provider to see if there was any validity to what Donny said.

Looks like I was absolutely right in that with no traffic coming to parked from the domain at issue and after at least 2 weekly traffic quality updates my TQ is still a 1. What a bunch of nonsense this is

**Donny Simonton** · 10-17-2009, 07:30 PM

trader - Since you moved the domain away, you don't have a TQ score anymore, because you don't have enough traffic to generate a score anymore. Your TQ score is no longer a 1.

You need to look at the chart again.

If you don't believe me about the domain, send it to another Yahoo provider and after 2-3 weeks see what your score is. Trust me I want all of our customers to keep all of their domains with us, but sometimes it just doesn't work that way.

Donny

**Acro** · 10-17-2009, 07:33 PM

A score of 0 means it's time for nuclear domain winter. But the formula is no secret anymore.

**David G** · 10-17-2009, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by donsimon

trader - Since you moved the domain away, you don't have a TQ score anymore, because you don't have enough traffic to generate a score anymore. Your TQ score is no longer a 1.

You need to look at the chart again.

If you don't believe me about the domain, send it to another Yahoo provider and after 2-3 weeks see what your score is. Trust me I want all of our customers to keep all of their domains with us, but sometimes it just doesn't work that way.

Donny

Really? I just double checked and it it still a 1 and is not a zero

Plus why would I not have any score when even without that name I still had 683 clicks in past 7 days on other names with you. That makes no sense Donny like everything involving the traffic quality score mystery.

How can you say this is not enough traffic to get a score? This is crazy.

last 7 days: Visitors 3,050 Search 2,124 Clicks 683

P.S. DNF member survey, who here had a TQ score with less than 683 clicks in 7 days? According to Donny no one did.

**Donny Simonton** · 10-17-2009, 08:41 PM

Trader - As I have said since day one, you need at least 100 clicks per day in a market say like the US to get a TQ score. And you are not averaging more than 100 clicks per day in the US. You are close, but not there. And I'm just passing the information from what I am being provided.

I'm logged into your account right now and if you look at it says the last TQ score you had was 10/5/2009. The last two weeks you haven't had a score. I never said your score was a 0, I said you didn't have a score, we technically say it's NA, but in Yahoo's world it's actually a -1.

Donny

**DomainsInc** · 10-17-2009, 08:45 PM

the thing i don't like about having no score is that payouts suffer. i noticed i made nearly double when i had 10's compared to no score even though just because i don't have enough clicks to make a score (i never had 100 clicks in a single market though..) doesn't make the traffic worth any less or convert any different I would think.

**Donny Simonton** · 10-17-2009, 08:51 PM

I just checked, we have people with TQ scores and less than 50 clicks a day, and people with more than 200 clicks a day and no TQ score. That's why I have always said it's 100 clicks a day for about 2 weeks and normally you have a TQ score, whether good or bad.

DomainsInc - Yeah, a 10 will always be better than no TQ score at all. I do agree with you and I have brought that up to Yahoo a few times.

Donny

**David G** · 10-17-2009, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by donsimon

Trader - As I have said since day one, you need at least 100 clicks per day in a market say like the US to get a TQ score. And you are not averaging more than 100 clicks per day in the US. You are close, but not there. And I'm just passing the information from what I am being provided.

I'm logged into your account right now and if you look at it says the last TQ score you had was 10/5/2009. The last two weeks you haven't had a score. I never said your score was a 0, I said you didn't have a score, we technically say it's NA, but in Yahoo's world it's actually a -1.

Donny

OK Donny, wow a -1 score must mean my domains suck big time in Yahoo's non-valid opinion. Didn't even know scores could go negative. I can tell my well targeted domains (in good categories with lots of typeins and 90% US traffic) are not too welcome at Yahoo and Parked.com and plan to move all of them away soon.

Ironically, I was averaging about 200/clicks/day until I had to move my #1 (but allegedly a non-performing name) away from you 2 weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Acro

A score of 0 means it's time for nuclear domain winter. But the formula is no secret anymore.

I am now a -1 in Yahoos view. What kind of war will it be worse than nuclear?

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

...doesn't make the traffic worth any less or convert any different I would think.

Exactly, why are the clicks more valuable to Y if you avg 101 a day vs 99 a day or whatever

Seems BS and bogus, imo.

**Donny Simonton** · 10-18-2009, 07:03 AM

trader - the click counts I have always mentioned are not an exact number to get a TQ score. There is no published formula that Yahoo or Google tell people on how they handle TQ or Smart Pricing. When we took your big domain and moved it to a sub-account all by itself that one domain got a 1 which I told you before in a PM or an email.

Domains can be well targeted domains but that doesn't mean that they convert well for all of the advertisers.

What DomainsInc was talking about is that if you have a TQ of 10, you will get paid more than somebody who doesn't have a TQ score at all. But no TQ score is paid higher than a TQ of 1.

Donny

**Focus** · 10-18-2009, 01:40 PM

Now how awesome would it be to start giving the advertisers an "AQ" score..as in Advertiser Quality...that would really throw them for a loop. The lower THEIR quality score the MORE they pay per click, based on conversions of course. If they don't have a good offer or track conversions properly then THEY pay for it.

A domainer can always dream can't he?

**Donny Simonton** · 10-18-2009, 03:41 PM

Focus - We actually already do something similiar for our secondary providers. It's fun when you explain to them what we do. They actually sometimes get pissed.

Donny

**Focus** · 10-18-2009, 06:10 PM

Hahahaha, that's cause you rock Donny..make em' pay I say!

Traffic ain't free biznitches!

**NameSniper.com** · 10-28-2009, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by donsimon

Trader - As I have said since day one, you need at least 100 clicks per day in a market say like the US to get a TQ score. And you are not averaging more than 100 clicks per day in the US. You are close, but not there. And I'm just passing the information from what I am being provided.

I'm logged into your account right now and if you look at it says the last TQ score you had was 10/5/2009. The last two weeks you haven't had a score. I never said your score was a 0, I said you didn't have a score, we technically say it's NA, but in Yahoo's world it's actually a -1.

Donny

Donny,

I remember that previously you said that with the new TQP implementation Yahoo will be able to assign TQ score with much less than 100 clicks a day, has something changed since then?

P.S. My last PM has been left with no reply.

**David G** · 10-28-2009, 09:11 PM

This TQ crap is exactty that, BS nonsense courtesy of Yahoo!

I would match the true quality of my traffic against anyone here and bet it was near the top, but according to what Donny said in post #9 above I am a MINUS-1. Call me bitter if you want, I guess I am.

**i-0.com** · 11-07-2009, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by trader

...the reason for my TQ 1 was all attributable to one domain (also my best name at parked) which allegedly did not convert well for advertisers...

When an advertiser take out a print ad and it does not produce the advertiser doesn't get their money back. Same with every other advertising medium, tv, radio, etc. Conversions are THEIR problem,... either market better, produce a better product or stop advertising.

I use Yahoo to advertise some of my sites, I never get money credited back for the lack of conversion.

I agree to create an attractive website and to place ads in a location that is conducive to being seen and be actionable. The ad stream provider is responsible for placement of relevant ads. If all of these components come together and the advertiser can't convert, well tough sh*t for them.

Fraud is one thing, subsidizing an advertiser by essentially providing free links is quite another.