Suspend account for not PAYMENT

[Duckinla]

So sick of these click-fraud assholes complaining about the timing of when their accounts were suspended. You put me, my family and our income at risk through your actions. Screw you all. I would do exactly the same thing, drag you along for as long as possible and then tell you to kiss off. You don't belong in this industry. This is the only possible punishment the parking providers can dish out and I am happy that they don't inform you until you are expecting a check. We all know what you would do if you found out earlier, just defraud someone else.

[Raider]

I'm with you on this Duck, but at the same time I want the truth to be known what the parking providers really do with the $$$, if there going to pocket the revenue that they deem fraudulant, they should disclose it rather than continue to lie about it.

[Duckinla]

Well, if we are talking a few dollars, it wouldn't be worth their while. If we are talking many thousands, the advertisers would probably want it back. So I am happy to assume that they do it to punish the fraudsters. I encourage them to keep doing it. I can't believe these guys have the balls to complain on a public forum about the timing of when they were cut off. Who would do business with them after that.

[alex75]

http://www.cnomy.com/?dn=reliablecarinsurance.net

http://searchportal.information.com/...rinsurance.net

Results are showing...

So maybe (I say maybe) that domain wasn't so "bad" afterall...

[petrosc]

Originally Posted by Duckinla

So sick of these click-fraud assholes complaining about the timing of when their accounts were suspended. You put me, my family and our income at risk through your actions. Screw you all. I would do exactly the same thing, drag you along for as long as possible and then tell you to kiss off. You don't belong in this industry. This is the only possible punishment the parking providers can dish out and I am happy that they don't inform you until you are expecting a check. We all know what you would do if you found out earlier, just defraud someone else.

the parking companies are not saints and angels either. If they see that the traffic is fraudulent at the 5th of the month and the payment is due 15th of the month, by keeping the account active another 10 days they are exposing the feed provider's advertisers to risk. If arbitage is the case for example, and the traffic sucks and is not converting, by keeping the account active until pay day they are causing the advertisers to lose money to that crap traffic.

This is not punishment, it's greed.

[Dr Nump]

Originally Posted by petrosc

the parking companies are not saints and angels either. If they see that the traffic is fraudulent at the 5th of the month and the payment is due 15th of the month, by keeping the account active another 10 days they are exposing the feed provider's advertisers to risk. If arbitage is the case for example, and the traffic sucks and is not converting, by keeping the account active until pay day they are causing the advertisers to lose money to that crap traffic.

This is not punishment, it's greed.

I totally agree with you.
I have the feelings that if Alex didnt supply his tax infos so that he was able to receive payment , his account would not be suspended .

[HOMEY1234]

Everyone, Thanks for all your support and questions... I will try to answer them as best I can.

We audit accounts daily and suspend fraudulent traffic daily also. However, there are many factors involved in detecting fraudulent traffic, both in-house tactics and our provider based tactics; trying to detect fraudulent traffic per single view or on low amounts of traffic is an unfair tactic, it must be be based off of a fair amount of traffic in order to detect certain patterns etc etc. With that said, much of the final verdict on fraudulent traffic is the providers that accept the traffic, much of that information is provided on a pay cycle basis that can delay things even further.

Sometimes it takes longer to catch them then it should, agreed. BUT they shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

For them to act as if they have ANY rights at all is absurd at best. These people are ruining our industry from the inside out. "Paid to Read" - "Autosurf" programs and misleading PPC links are stealing money from the people that are feeding our industry.

Alex - In answer to your questions/statements;
Most people who defraud Advertisers start out small in the 2 digit and 3 digit $ range before BLASTING thousands through. They do this because they want to make sure they get paid for the fraud first, before spending money on having people Click. And as for your FFA links, NONE of your traffic came from links that even existed. Wierd huh?

As for the idea that we somehow profit from people trying to push fraudulent traffic through our service. There are 2 key factors that you are missing... The monies are BOTH revoked by the PPC companies we deal with ( from our understanding to be refuneded to the 1st tier providers and eventually the advertisers), and it also effects our overall ratings with those companies as well as the 1st tier providers (Google, Yahoo and others) and lowers our overall payout levels if we do not keep it in check. So it really ends up COSTING us a lot of money.

To think that we are profiting from these illegal acts of others is simply wrong. The ONLY ones who do is the people engaging in them if they don't get caught. And it eventually comes out of OUR & YOUR pockets.

JN

[alex75]

Originally Posted by HOMEY1234

And as for your FFA links, NONE of your traffic came from links that even existed. Wierd huh?

That's just not possible. Anyhow, as you should know, the program that I told you I used DO submit web links to thousands of pages, but these links stays there for how much? Hours? If you do some research you will see it by yourself the way it works.

I don't think that *I* have to pay for the fraudsters. It's not my mistake or my problem if your providers do refuse to pay you some of the money they were supposed to give you.

I don't know if my traffic was low converting or not. But I do know that the thing that you should have done is to INFORM me if my traffic was low converting, then to pay me for the amount that I am owed and then to close my account.

But to suspend my account, to ask for tax informations, and then to suspend it again once you got them is just not fair. At least that's what I think.

[namestrands]

I would assume that were Parking Programs to be so callous as to withhold funds and keep them for themselves. They would just as well allow fraudsters to continue until such times as the upstream provider were to request cancellation. I would assume also that parking programs have an agreement with the upstream providers to report any fraudulent domains. Were they not to report, it would most likely end the relationship with said parking program.

Over the years we have had our accounts suspended at SEDO, Parked and a couple others, only later to discover that it was down to rogue DROPPED domains. Accidents do happen, and I have found all the parking programs accomodating with regards to explanation and of course reactivation.

I would not need to ask a parking program to prove fraud as I track every single visitor to my domains, including date, time, referer, UserAgent and even the URI requested. I am able to audit my own traffic, and therefore happy for the programs to audit my clicks. I have algorithms in place to flag any suspect activity which will email me a report every week at which point I will remove the domain(s) or inform the parking program of my concerns and leave the decision up to them.

Necessity is the mother of invention, and while I cant say that I trust parking programs, I do trust the people who manage my accounts to give me a fair platform to rebut.

Gone are the days when we could just register a domain and park it, and at the risk of pissing of a lot of people, we are responsible to do our own due diligence when parking a domain.

The relationship between domainer and parking program is symbiotic. One can not survive without the other and its therefore crucial on both sides to play fair.

Blog posts,ffa's, PPV and even social networking should be deemed as deceptive marketing when it comes to domaining and parking.

Alex my advice to you would be to learn a lesson that your linking is unacceptable, all you will achieve here is for the other parking programs to watch for you to post a domain for sale and then check if its listed with them and of course audit all your traffic.