JewHub.com <-- need a starting point for a negotiation

[sitemaker]

I have received an inquiry about the availability of JewHub.com, and I'm wondering how much to ask.

On the plus side, it is a six-letter dot-com that actually means something; easy to remember and hard to misspell.

On the negative side, the prospective buyer is a non-profit and is pleading poverty.

I could blog on Jewish topics or publish a forum there myself someday, if I could find the time. Selling it now would save me the time it'd take to develop it with quality content.

It's currently parked at Fabulous, getting about 4 uniques per month.

What would you ask?

Thanks for your attention.

[BidNo]

Here's some two-word "hub" domain sales (limited to 24 months and < $1,000).

Domain TLD SalePrice SaleDate SaleThru
EzHub com $270 Feb 09 sedo Auction
FeelHub com $60 Jan 09 sedo Auction
ScienceHub com $360 Dec 08 Afternic
TranslationHub com $983 Dec 08 Afternic
SugarHub com $70 Nov 08 Sedo Auction
CSSHub com $500 Oct 08 Sedo Auction
SolarHub com $750 Apr 08 Sedo
TextHub com $215 Jan 08 Sedo Auction
CardHub com $495 Dec 07 Afternic
NonprofitHub com $511 Nov 07 TDNam
HackersHub com $1,000 Oct 07 Sedo Auction
JewLust com $975 Oct 07 TDNam
HubJam com $1,000 Aug 07 Afternic
HubSystems com $691 Apr 07 Sedo
ProductHub com $1,000 Mar 07 Sedo
DailyHub com $630 Feb 07 Afternic

[from DnSalePrice.com]

I'd say $400-500 would be a fair sales price.

Cheers,

[thevirtual]

I wouldn't focus on number of letters or any other appraisal methods. You have to set price that you feel comfortable with. If you go too high they may close negotiations though.

Don't pay attention to any attempts to gain empathy. Although, you shouldn't expect a high price sale if they are a non-profit pleading poverty.

[sitemaker]

Here's some two-word "hub" domain sales (limited to 24 months and < $1,000).
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[from DnSalePrice.com]

Wow! Thank you! I did not know about that tool. It's looks great. (But is there some trick to getting it to produce results? For me it just says "no sales found" no matter what I try.)

--- J.

[ksinclair]

Why not put up a wordpress, its free at wordpress.com. blog each week, pretty it up later if it starts getting traffic.

if the nonprofiit is real, and has good intentions, you can do the deal but participate. maybe if they have 2 adsense blocks, have one be your code (is that allowed by google TOS? Anyone know?)

Kevin

[sitemaker]

Thanks, Kevin. My problem is that I own too many domains (about 1650). I can't blog once a week on all of them. So most are parked while awaiting development or sale. I dream about putting content on all of them, but..

"Web longa, vita brevis."

So I'll sell it if we can come to a fair price; and if time presents itself, I still have 1649 more topics to blog about.

: )

--- J.

[Acro]

I am curious whether "jew" is less appropriate or at least, less PC than "jewish" and how this would affect a sale.

[Banned: dn-101]

Acro may have a point.
Jew.com was a notorious racist site run by the neo-nazis. Find out who's the buyer. Don't be ashamed to ask for his/her affiliations

[sitemaker]

J✡Travel WhatName.com - DN Observer

I was intrigued by your sig's link, so I went to your site and was immediately struck by the unintentionally funny (or salacious, depending on your point of view) label "male members" in your Site Statistics box. You might want to re-word that.

[Banned: dn-101]

JTravel is work in progress... done by the Polish friend

[sitemaker]

Jew.com was a notorious racist site run by the neo-nazis. Find out who's the buyer. Don't be ashamed to ask for his/her affiliations

Eek. I will check before selling. Thanks.

Has anybody had any experience selling a domain via a contract that puts restrictions on future use?

I mean, in Real Estate, you can attach restrictions to a property that bind future owners. Is there any way to do that with domains? How can we accomplish something like an easement "running with the property in perpetuity"?

Where would such an easement or covenental restriction be registered, such that any future potential owner would discover it in the pre-sales process? I imagine it would have to be attached to the whois record somehow.

In the case of JewHub.com, it wouldn't matter much because it's more a brandable name than a type-in name. But I also own some premium generic Jewish names, including...

Siddur.org
Judaism.mobi
kosher.mobi
Torah.mobi
SynagogueMusic.com

...and many others. I would be VERY upset if one of those fell into evil hands after I'd had an opportunity to prevent it.

Any Internet lawyers listening?

--- J.

[GeoOwners]

if they are short on money sell offer to finance it for them...moniker has a payment plan service.

example $100 month for 12 months...they get to use it while paying the low 100/month and you get a decent price.

.

[Banned: dn-101]

On the plus side only the mobsters go to .mobi, and only the frumkite Yiddn would know what Siddur is. So, even if all your domains fall in the hands of the Neo-Nazis - night geferlich

[sitemaker]

On the plus side only the mobsters go to .mobi,

teehee.

That reminds me: I'm in the process of testing the new Mobilizer service.
I think this has the potential to be a huge game-changer for dot-mobi. Anybody doing the same? I'd like to compare notes on what's working well and what's not.

[DomainMagnate]

If you sell make sure the buyer is not gonna run one of those hate sites..

The price here really depends on the buyer, e.g. non profit organizations usually wouldn't pay much.

[sitemaker]

OK, we have narrowed the price gap. They upped their offer to $400, which is not exciting but is at least not unreasonable; so I'm gonna sell it as soon as I am comfortable with them being a real non-profit and not some hate group in sheep's clothing.

Apart from just believing whatever they say in an email, is there a way to be more confident, but a way that does not burden the buyer unnecessarily?

Anybody been in this spot before?

--- J.

[Banned: dn-101]

You can lease it to them for a year with the right to purchase at the end of the lease - provided they're not violating the terms, etc.

[sitemaker]

I am curious whether "jew" is less appropriate or at least, less PC than "jewish" and how this would affect a sale.

There is subtle antisemitism in America. Not active virulent hatred, but merely misgivings, feelings that there's something wrong with being a Jew. I don't mean wrong in the sense of holding factually incorrect beliefs --- I would expect all religions to disagree on right and wrong in that sense --- but wrong in the sense of good and bad.

Among people who are basically good, but who still have vestigal feelings of that sort, the word Jew feels perjorative, while the word Jewish is less so. I'm not sure why, and I was not always aware of this negativity. (I never heard an otherwise respectable person use the word Jew as an adjective or a verb until middle age.)

Since for me the word Jew was always purely positive --- connoting someone possessing an enhanced closeness to God and holiness, and striving to serve individually and collectively as a model for the rest of humanity --- it was interesting to learn that my primary email address (jordan at webjew dot org) provoked expressions of surprise or discomfort in some correspondents.

I think JewHub.com works the same way. Among very traditional Jews it will simply be thought a warm fuzzy name. Others more exposed to the general culture may wonder.

In any case, the name is sold. They paid $400.

The buyers originally said they wanted it for a "Jewish social justice project", and when I asked for more details they said they were putting together a database of Jewish service opportunities for a coalition of Jewish organizations and foundations.

I expect and hope that that will prove to be the case. We'll see....

--- J.

[Acro]

What matters then is that you made a sale. Congratulations.

But to continue the conversation on semantics, here's a couple of statements. As a youth born and raised in a nation that to this date boasts 99% Christianity, I was taught the Old Testament as both a historical sequence and as part of the school subject of religion. Bear in mind that religion and state are not segregated in Greece; the Old Testament (Genesis onwards) is taught in the 2nd grade, through simplified but rather accurate teachings. There are references to Jews (as a people) and Hebrew (as a religion) along with Israelites. A bit confusing for a 2nd grader

In the aftermath of WW2 and the Holocaust, people are sensitive towards the Jewish for the mere fact that the suffering and human loss they sustained during the war might contribute to arising painful memories. I still prefer to call a person of the faith as "Jewish" and not a Jew. I appreciate the fact that you explained that to you, being in the Jewish faith "Jew" is actually a preferred word with relation to your faith and background.

[sitemaker]

Bear in mind that religion and state are not segregated in Greece; ...(Genesis onwards) is taught in the 2nd grade... There are references to Jews (as a people) and Hebrew (as a religion) along with Israelites. A bit confusing for a 2nd grader.

In the aftermath of WW2 and the Holocaust, people are sensitive towards the Jewish for the mere fact that the suffering and human loss they sustained during the war might contribute to arising painful memories. I still prefer to call a person of the faith as "Jewish" and not a Jew. I appreciate the fact that you explained that to you, being in the Jewish faith "Jew" is actually a preferred word with relation to your faith and background.

Hi, Acro. Thanks for responding. I'm not sure if this public thread is the ideal place for these conversations, but enhancing cross-cultural sensitivity is always meritorious. I've never been to Greece, so I appreciate your providing that perspective.

I can also appreciate the confusion you felt in second grade; but it might be difficult to remove it, because I'm not sure which Hebrew terms were being translated for the second-grade you as "Hebrew", "Israelite" and "Jews".

Ivri (Hebrew) originally referred to us as a tribal people (literally, "the people from the other side of the river'; which suggests that this name wasn't of our own construction). Today "Hebrew" is the name of our language. (We speak Hebrew. We attend Hebrew School, we have a Hebrew Teacher, etc.) Using "Hebrew" to name us as an ethnic group is archaic; "Hebrew" is used by historians and scholars to refer to our ancient ancestors. If it is used by regular folk to mean us, it falls on our ears as a cold prickly word used in place of 'Jew' by folks who really don't know us. (What I'm saying applies to English in the USA; the meanings and connotations of these words might be completely different elsewhere.)

B'nei Yisroel ("Israelites") could mean lots of things, depending on context. In some languages (French, I think) it is a synonym for Jew (because we're all spiritually descended from Israel, a.k.a., Jacob), but it is not used that way here in the US. Historians and scholars use 'Israelite' to refer to the ancient northern kingdom of Israel, comprised of ten tribes, which was destroyed by the Assyrians about 2,800 years ago.

Yehudi (Jew) comes from Yehudah (Judah). That tribe, along with the tribe of younger brother Binyamin (Benjamin), plus some of the Leviim (Levites; Moses's tribe; who got no land but were living in the cities throughout the territories of all the other tribes), comprised the southern kingdom of Judea; which survived as an independent nation until the Babylonian captivity. All of us Jews today are spiritually descended from this group. Later, some of us returned to our Land as a commonwealth under Persian hegemony and built the Second Temple; and still later we had our own independent Second Commonwealth after kicking out the Syrian-Greek superpower. But when the Romans conquered us (about 2,060 years ago), they made the Holy Land a Roman province named 'Judea'. And from there, 'Jews' has been our most common term ever since.

Enough of the history lesson. If you remember that we were a nation before we ever got our religion, all the words might make more sense... or less... who knows?

Best wishes,

J.