which one is the best for the business?

[yahoohaha]

This is my very best seriously Internet venture, please let me know your opinions, seriously appriciateed.

I want to build a site that sweeps the online gaming market. The idea is like this:

Online casinos offer referral commission for webmasters to send players to gamble at their web sites. If a player loses money at a casino, the casino will pay the webmaster part of that money. Online casinos have different commission percentage, ranging from 15% (Slot Land) to 45% (Windows Casino).

We discover and promote top online casinos on our web site, and we offer 60% of the referral commission made to our players. For example, if you play at Gaming Club Casino through the referral link on our web site and lose $600 (purchases less cashouts), then we will get paid $150 and we will pay you $90 player discount.

I tried to reg all the possiable domains that I can think of, but my English is as poor as it could be, and few domains that I want were long gone, so all I can get is the following, please tell me which 3 are the top 3 in the group for my site names.


casinorefund.com
casinosrefund.com

playerrefund.com
playersrefund.com

playerdiscount.com
playersdiscounts.com

discountgamble.com
gamblerdiscount.com
gamblersdiscount.com

gamblerrefund.com
gamblersrefund.com
gamblingrefund.com
gamblerefund.com
gamblingloserebate.com
casinocommissionshare.com
gamblingrebate.com

Thank you again, seriously thank you all!

[GiantDomains]

I hope people understand the conceprt-- not sure it will work.

I have seen it used before - car salesman...etc...will offer you part of their commission (insiders deal)... if desperate to make a sale, or if for a friend, etc....

But I would go with a regular casino name.

casinorefund.com is ok...I know I bashed it before...but maybe you can get this idea off the ground.

[Kid Kool]

i think the idea is nearly impossible from an admin standpoint, but casinorefund.com is by far the best name.

I can see casinorefund as being a catchy net term.

[yahoohaha]

Thanks, doberry, I knew that you have an iron mouth but a golden heart.

casinorefunds.com and gamblingrefunds.com were reged for 2001to 2005 by the same guy, playersdiscount.com were long gone.

I noticed that few casinos and casino portals are paying $30 to $40 per hit at OVT. Once their ad is down, few might bookmark their sites.

My thought is if I have the money buy targeted hits to my site, than gamblers maybe bookmark my site for future use, cus I am the only one that offer such benefit to gamblers.

Another catch is that even meself was a pro gambler, but I have no clue which online casino is honest enough that I will gamble with, due to lack of imformation and I don't believe their promotions. But if my site gets a lot feedbacks, and build a data base, than the information will be so valuable to gamblers. If a casino cheats on referral commission, it will be list on my black list and off my site, so pretty soon only the trustable casinos will left and my site should gain huge reputation.

I sent an email to trafficmp.com try to find a partnership, they want me to call back but I haven't, due to I am worry about my poor English and business skills.

If anyone is interested in help me to CEO the idea, I like to share 50% of my share, the other 50% is for trafficmp if they accept the deal. My thought is like this, online gaming is like in Bs, so even my idea can get 1% off the market, that's in 10s of Ms, so I'll be rich enough and don't need more.

Anyways, i am still a gambler, but I can't make money off other poker players any more and I can't beat casino games. Internet is my battlefield now, I can't beat any domain resellers, so I try to find a way survive on line, this idea should work if I have good partner(CEO). Paste 2 mails here, hope you adventurers jump in the game with me or give me any help.

Subj: Re: Service issue - Advertise with us (KMM1667068V38502L0KM)
Date: 11/20/02 7:34:57 PM Central Standard Time
From: customerservice@tmpexpress.com
To: qpuzzle@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)



Thank you for your interest and email. Please contact John Enghauser
to discuss advertising opportunities. Contact information is listed
below:

John Enghauser
Manager of Business Development
Traffic Marketplace
A Vivendi Universal Net USA Company
310-264-4377 ph.
310-264-4393 fax
www.trafficmp.com

Thank you,

TMPExpress Customer Service


Original Message Follows:
------------------------
Contact name: Joe Chang
Company name: playerdiscount.com
Email: qpuzzle@aol.com
----------------------------------
Problem: Advertise with us

Hi,

I have a partnership proposal to ask your review.

In order to
gain bigger market share of casino player, I set up a web site called
playerdiscount.com. The idea is to share referral commission with
players,
so that they might gamble through our referral links.

Traffic is the
key to test my theory, but I can't afford advertising.

I wonder if
you can advertise my site for 50% profit made, or even be my 50/50
partner on this venture.

Thank you for your time, wish you a great
day!

Sincerely,

Joe Chang
playerdiscount.com




----------------------------------

Subj: golden[star]network
Date: 11/15/02 6:43:07 PM Central Standard Time
From: marlo@spaceimaging.co.za
To: Qpuzzle@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)




Hi Joe,

Once again, thank you for your feedback!!

I must be honest my initial thought was that your idea is a GREAT one, and that it could definitely work - at the very least ensure player loyalty!!

I just think from a administration point of view it is difficult to manage - I already deal with over 500 affiliates and to further monitor this will be difficult.

I do wish you the best of luck though, and will be happy to help wherever I can.

Kind regards,
Marlo


----- Original Message -----
From: Qpuzzle@aol.com
To: marlo@spaceimaging.co.za
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: Welcome to golden[star]network Lin!!


In a message dated 11/14/02 7:15:44 PM Central Standard Time, marlo@spaceimaging.co.za writes:



Hi Joe,

It sounds like a fairly good idea - the only problem with this is that you never attract the quality players you want as they don't spend a lot of money, because they know they'll probably make more money through sharing the commission - also this opens the door to potential promotion abusers, people who only play to get free money and make the minimum deposit required in order to get it.

If you feel that my theory is wrong, please share with me.

Kind regards,
Marlo



Marlo,

I don't get why you think this opens the door to potential promotion abusers, player discount is open for any players that gamble through our referring links, the more they loss the more they get discount from us.

I believe high rollers will care about player discount more then small players. And if there is a discount available, serious players will want to take it and pass the word to friends.

Of course there will be a lot of casinos (cheaters) don't like the idea, but when we find out those honest casinos, our referring reputation will get high reward. Internet is huge but the center circle is small, gamblers desperate for true information and reliable casinos to gamble, they will believe if a casino is honest on commission then it should be also honest on fair gaming.

I checked out some top casinos (bigger promotions) and found out they are not as good as they said. Online gambling is not regulated yet, player discount idea has the potential to become the leading voice of online gaming.

If we promote all top casinos on our site, and we are known by players, I see no reason that they will not play through our links.

My concern is how to make a convenient program that allows players to submit their losses and receive their player discounts.

Please let me know your thoughts, I really have high hope on your partnership as I think your casino is of high quality and your emails are fine.

Have a great night!

Joe

[yahoohaha]

Thanks, doberry and kidcool!

I use casinorefund.com for the site name and made a lousy site, if anyone interested in a partnership and able to handle improving the site and dealing with management please let me know, I really don't mind share the idea and really need partners.

Thanks all and wish you a great future plus a horny night.

Going to spam search engines and to see my simi g/f later.

Might not buy any more dns for a while, unless some atrange ideas jumps out again!

[jtooder]

Too bad this name is taken: http://www.gamblinginsurance.com

And I think they do what you are attempting to do.

[yahoohaha]

jtooder, thanks for the info.

they looked professional but have a not so great name i think, gamblingrefund should be better.

wonder how they doing and how many members. i checked many gambling firums and never heared of them, must been not famous yet.

[Kid Kool]

gamblinginsurance.com is a much better name joe. they claim to have 1500 members. looks like you might be too late.

you should get domaininsurance.com for people to get money back when they reg a bad name

[yahoohaha]

i bet you that there are more than15 million gamblers on net.

so obviously they are not big at all, why? must be that they dont do a good job to benefit gaming losers.

for exsmple, they dont have a black list, they dont have a forum for gamblers to exchange experiences etc. etc.

just my opinoin though, but i do think no matter what that a real useful good service will come to the top soon or later.

[domainAddict]

I would rather hold your breath..

[jtooder]

How do you plan on providing the "cash back"? You either have to partner with casinos or rely on them being honest.

Simply getting them to play through your affiliate code will not work & most casino stats dont provide "by player" activity to affiliates.

Its not an easy business to get into.

I wish you the best of luck.

JT

[yahoohaha]

JT,

Thank you very much for the post.

The site is up already http://casinorefund.com

Please check out and feedback, if interested in help me CEO it. I have high hope but low skills!

[jtooder]

I will try and have a look at the site in more detail and provide feedback.

Right off the bat:

1. Driving traffic to the site is the hard part

2. You can't accept players who already play at the casino as the casino only allows you to create 1 account and you dont get commission if they already played there.

In theory your idea is good but it is hard to make it happen.

If you want to discuss this further, PM me.

JT

[yahoohaha]

JT, thanks a lot, pm sent.