And the .US for Today Is....

[bidawinner]

Originally posted by kidkool


well i still think it not worth more than $100. most newspapers are not interested in online anymore since there is no money in it.

No money in it ?

Our local paper now charges for their online classified listings..and making very good money with their online edition..

[Duke]

Originally posted by jh3
Duke, damn good name. I would say KidKool is out of his league right now. He is just babbling to save a little face.

Thanks jh3 - but I like a guy who puts up a good fight (as you do - we had a great go-round a couple of weeks ago that I thought was lot of fun - you are a worthy opponent!). The Kid has the right nickname - he is Kool.

[Kid Kool]

i don't think it is that bad of a name. i just think people are getting carried away in these future extensions. why not go for news.us or newspaper.us instead of these "clever" or second rate names. My feeling is that with extensions other than .com go for the one word generics and if you can't get them restrain yourself from registering and move on. i would rather spend 300 on a better one word .us than register dozens of available names like this.

also it is not just the "online" news world that is not making money, but the newspapers that have come online are losing money(besides just not making it). That is pure fact. I'm just not sure more newspapers will come knocking down the door to get this name for big bucks. i think it could sell though if you went after the newspapers aggressively yourself. I have flipped names that way before and its a great feeling when you reel them in.

[Duke]

Originally posted by kidkool
the newspapers that have come online are losing money (besides just not making it). That is pure fact.

I know what you mean Kid. It is bad enough to be losing money...but to also not be making any at the same time you are losing is a real double whammy! I just hate that


P.S. I bet the Arizona Daily Star will be really bummed out when they find out they have a second rate two-word name instead on a one-worder like Kidkool!

[Kid Kool]

Incidently, as to valuation - I made no comment whatsoever about valuation as I have stated a hundred times over that .US names real value are still a few years away from being realized. I have no problem with Kid saying it is a $100 name today...only his failure to understand the business model he is trying to critique (as jh3 noted). It's all Kool though...including the Kid. I like hearing everybody's opinion.

i don't think .us will increase in value. i think 90% of these names will drop when the people who bought them up by the thousands discover they won't sell like .coms did in '98. ICANN likely is going to keep adding more and more new extensions during that time which will not help.

Incidentally, I'm sure arizona daily star would rather have news.com.

I also checked the other extensions and none are being used. you'd think if all the other dailystar newspapers out that were dying to have this name and get online like you say, that at least one of the extensions would have been bought by now....

[TrafficMonsterRRR]

What a graet name. I wanna be like DUke when I grow up to be a name picker. I am a fledgling .us scholar, and DUke will be the Duke of .US I am of it!

[Duke]

Originally posted by kidkool
why not go for news.us or newspaper.us instead of these "clever" or second rate names. My feeling is that with extensions other than .com go for the one word generics and if you can't get them restrain yourself from registering

OK Kid I will give you one more free lesson today - but only because I like you

You will soon learn that there is such a thing as being TOO generic. A business needs a clearly identifiable brand. Where I live there are two very strong daily newspapers that fight each other tooth and nail - the Tampa Tribune and the St. Pete Times. I will gaurantee you that they would both choose their current names (tampatrib.com and sptimes.com) over newspaper.com (A few months ago I posed this very question to editors at both papers whom I know, as I deal with them in the course of my current job as a media relations director).

When there are competitors in the marketplace they must clearly brand themselves to distinguish them from their competitor. If I am a reader in the Tampa bay area and I see newspaper.com - who the hell is that - the Times or The Tribune or neither? (In reality newspaper.com is a pretty cheesy online-only quasi-news site - which pretty well blows the hell out of your theory that if a name is really good then something great will be on that domain).

You are also making a mistake thinking that one-word names are the only thing that is any good, so you are out regging names like pouches.org and emporiums.net. Both way TOO generic (again) to be of much use. But based on your criteria, you would take those rather than "crappy" two-word names like HealthInsurance.us or CarParts.us. Not to mention the fact you are pairing a commercial product like pouches with a completely unsuitable non-profit extension like .org (yet you wouldn't reg .US which would make a hell of a lot more sense for an American business than .org). You need to broaden your horizons a little (no make that a LOT).

It would also be a good idea to stick to industries you know something about. You know nothing about the newspaper industry so you have no frame of reference to appreciate what a great name DailyStar is (it has been branded for over 100 years).

Originally posted by kidkool
i don't think .us will increase in value. i think 90% of these names will drop when the people who bought them up by the thousands discover they won't sell like .coms did in '98.

Millions of .coms are dropping because people have discovered they don't sell like they did in '98. Also, because they registered millions of crappy names just because they thought being a .com would save their crappy name. If people register crappy .US names (or any other extension) then yes they will drop. If they register solid words and terms that are heavily searched-for and well known they could make enough money to send you through college (3 or 4 times).

You are much too young to have your head buried in the sand like a lot of others in the Ostrich Club. The world is changing (again). Don't let these old farts (well Big Fart is OK) convince you that there is only one path to success. If you follow only one path and someone gave you the wrong directions you are going to find yourself up Sh*t Creek, without a paddle.


P.S. I appreciate your posts today. You are a thoughtful young man and you would make a good reporter one day. You ask the tough questions and refuse to be intimidated. You're just having a little trouble with rule number one which is "get the facts straight" - but you can learn that. I do kind of admire the way you just make stuff up when you don't know the answer. If you decide to go into TV instead of print journalism - that will be a huge asset

[Kid Kool]

duke if the name is so great why are none of the other extensions being used by the endless amounts of newspapers called "daily star". surely if they are selling like hotcakes the other extensions would be overflowing with "daily star"
newspapers.
yet

dailystar.net
.org
.biz
.info
.tv

none have been bought. all parked pages.

the only one being used is the .com

[Duke]

[i]none have been bought. all parked pages.
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Again you completely miss the forest because the trees are blocking your view. Read my lips - THEY ALL HAVE BEEN BOUGHT. If they are on parked pages, they have all been bought - NONE are available for registration. As usual there is so much that you don't know. Like HOW MUCH do the owners want for the names they own. Maybe the .NET guy tells those who inquire that he wants $500,000. Businesses may want a name but they are not dopes.

Also domain names NEVER sell like hotcakes. It is a slow laborious process. SInce I bought at such a low price I am pretty sure that in a few years I can sell at a price that will net me a very nice profit. I will not be asking for $25,000. Unlike some people, I check the calendar once in a while - it is no longer 1999. Prices are down more than a little for ALL domains, but some of these people with their names that are locked in a vault haven't gotten the word yet.

[Kid Kool]

i don't consider "registered" and "bought" to be equal in this sense since i'm assuming you wish to sell the domain to someone else, not just for registration fee. my point being that this has not happened with any of the others so i would not be optimistic that it would happen with the .us

[DomainPairs]

Well what a fun thread. Actually I wouldn't have thought of using it for a newspaper site. Daily Star.US sounds much more like a Hollywood chat site to me.

[Duke]

Originally posted by kidkool
i don't consider "registered" and "bought" to be equal in this sense since i'm assuming you wish to sell the domain to someone else, not just for registration fee. my point being that this has not happened with any of the others so i would not be optimistic that it would happen with the .us

Kid, really, how naive can you be? Don't you realize that the VAST MAJORITY of high dollar domain names that have been sold throughout internet history have been unused names? Only about 10% of all registered names have a site on them. The better names that are for sale are held by speculators - guess who that is - US! (Though I admittedly don't have many of those better names).

It does not mean a damn thing whether there is something on the domain or not. What is important is that the name has been registered. It is no longer available for sale. That's where the aftermarket kicks in.

As for DailyStar there are really only two viable options to the .com just because of how long they have been around. That is the .net and again we have no idea how much the owner wants and the .org which IS owned by a newspaper. They may have acquired it recently and not put their site up yet (that is a very big and expensive project).

The .info .biz and .us are all new extensions so it would be highly unlikely they would have a full blown site up already. I'm sure all have been bought for the potential value of the name.

You said something earlier about speculating on speculation. We are ALL speculators. That's what we do. No one has any idea if any name they register will re-sell. You place your bet and you take your chances. That's the game. Follow any strategy you prefer but I hate to see you get locked into one mindset that could wipe you out down the line. Markets shift like quicksand (have you already forgotten the stock market crash?). Never believe ANYONE who tells you everything will ALWAYS be the same. Good luck to you.

[DomainPairs]

I think domain name speculators should be banned - they stop me buying the names I want to sell