$8,500 STOLEN by Prateek Jain & Chirag Shah

[hookah]

Is 'verified member' label a garbage here or we should demand it while making some bigger deals here

[ilovedomains]

Prateekj... Broker or not, your the one responsible for a member being ripped off, and you are the one responsible for giving the money back. If he doesnt get paid back, you are a thief, and mods should ban you.

[Steen]

Still no resolution/word from Prateek/Chirag until the previous post.

Originally Posted by prateekj

I apologize for not having responded for so long. I need some hard evidence of some sort of click fraud before i can go after Chirag on this one. From what Steen has told me, I agree that it does look a bit murky but I cannot pursue this matter with Chirag until I have proof that He was the one involved in click fraud when he owned the domain, since Chirag himself claims that he was not involved in any such activities.

Now only the DS team can provide this info since it was parked with them even when Chirag owned it. Believe me, over the past few days I have been trying to get their help in this matter. I have shot them 3 mails with no response yet.

I am trying my level best to clear this matter since it is my reputation that is at stake. As soon as I get a response from DS, I will be getting back to this thread. Steen, if I do get proof that Chirag was involved in click fraud, you will have my full support in this matter. I personally cannot pay you such a sum as frankly, I don't have that sort of money. However, I will fully help you in getting the money out of Chirag as long as i have the necessary proof. Until then, we are just making assumptions.

Prateek, what further proof would you like me to provide? I don't own Google, nor DomainSponsor... so my access to the data they have is limited to what they provide me. Do you not believe the screen cap I sent you, or the emails from DS that I sent to you?

The former domain owner's DS account was terminated due to fraud - what can I provide to convince you?

It is so blatantly clear that this domain name's earnings were manipulated I do not see how legitimacy could be claimed in this matter whatsoever.

You said you are waiting to hear back from DS regarding this? Did you send an email to the address I told you about - since he already has the Traffic Quality department's memo on this domain?


You said you cannot pay me such a sum yet you are pursuing many expensive typo domain names on DNF. Example: $4.5K typo name & $770 typo name

As you seem to go after these sort of names... you could make a proposal to transfer some revenue names to me in exchange for reducing your debt. Everyone here I am sure would like nothing better to see this issue resolved. Sure is a lot more productive than simply being banned.

[NetworkMsia]

Originally Posted by Steen

As you seem to go after these sort of names... you could make a proposal to transfer some revenue names to me in exchange for reducing your debt. Everyone here I am sure would like nothing better to see this issue resolved. Sure is a lot more productive than simply being banned.

I agree on this.

[cjmacd]

Originally Posted by NetworkMsia

I agree on this.

I agree as well, it sounds like an amicable solution. Even though initially it can be a financial set back for Prateek, but a ban or worse, loss of trust from the domain community is a far more serious set back. I just hope that your “friend” Chirag can be as responsible.

Doing the right thing, can be hard, but it does miles for your reputation.

I know from personal experience.

Good luck Prateek and Steen.

Keep us updated.

[touchring]

if i were the owner i will fly to india, make a police report. bring along $2000 to pay the authorities to investigate.

[shoval]

I came across a group of people, all from Mumbai India after buying from them "traffic domains" . Prattik seems to be part of them. I bought based on parking stats they sent me ( from DS and parked.com) but soon after I bought the domains I found out that they had almost no traffic. Both Parked.com and Domainsponsor verified to me that almost all the clicks on their domains were fraudulent/self clicks. parked.com terminated their accounts. Their "system" seems to be working so that the person who post the domain is NOT the owner but supposedly is posting for a "friend".

the domains I came across were ( that they oferred me to buy)


barclaysrefinance.com
barclayrefinance.com
onlineonslaught.com
usbankfinance.com
tutorial-site.com
icl2020.com
icl20-20.com
ipl20-20.com
usbankrefinance.com
bringmemovie.com
refinancewachovia.com
yamahar15.com

The emails associated with domains that were offered for sale are:

chetanbabuta@gmail.com
ashes667@gmail.com
gauravgurbaxani@yahoo.com
sanketptl1@gmail.com
prateek.777@gmail.com

The guy who scammed me was Chetan Babuta, and after email exchange with him he did refund me part of the money.

They keep moving between parking comanies untill they get caught. I believe now they park at revenuedirect.com

There should be a better way to warn people here and on Namepros, so that other members do not lose money for their fraud. Their fraud is also damaging to parking companies and to us as domainers, when advertisers find out they were cheated.

Originally Posted by shoval

I came across a group of people, all from Mumbai India after buying from them "traffic domains" . Prattik seems to be part of them. I bought based on parking stats they sent me ( from DS and parked.com) but soon after I bought the domains I found out that they had almost no traffic. Both Parked.com and Domainsponsor verified to me that almost all the clicks on their domains were fraudulent/self clicks. parked.com terminated their accounts. Their "system" seems to be working so that the person who post the domain is NOT the owner but supposedly is posting for a "friend".

the domains I came across were ( that they oferred me to buy)


barclaysrefinance.com
barclayrefinance.com
onlineonslaught.com
usbankfinance.com
tutorial-site.com
icl2020.com
icl20-20.com
ipl20-20.com
usbankrefinance.com
bringmemovie.com
refinancewachovia.com
yamahar15.com

The emails associated with domains that were offered for sale are:

chetanbabuta@gmail.com
ashes667@gmail.com
gauravgurbaxani@yahoo.com
sanketptl1@gmail.com
prateek.777@gmail.com



The guy who scammed me was Chetan Babuta, and after email exchange with him he did refund me part of the money.

They keep moving between parking comanies untill they get caught. I believe now they park at revenuedirect.com

There should be a better way to warn people here and on Namepros, so that other members do not lose money for their fraud. Their fraud is also damaging to parking companies and to us as domainers, when advertisers find out they were cheated.

in list of email this one should be added:

chirag.555@gmail.com

[Acro]

Where's that popcorn icon?

[GAMEFINEST]

Originally Posted by Acro

Where's that popcorn icon?

Need to careful these days...here and DP forum...interesting on how ppl still get scammed even tho there are alot of alerts out there on alot of forums on scams..

[Acro]

Hey, I ring the bell whenever I can.

[gemsergio]

Hmm this scam its pretty good actually, its not some .info with visitors, those are well thought typos IMO. On a funny side note when I saw the thread I registered a couple of typos of chasestudentloan.com and got a letter from their lawyer just yesterday...
Well this is how you destroy an industry as well, buying typos and misspell this day I guess its a lot harder than they used to be. Lets not forget that TDNAM does the same thing on a daily basis with thousand of names with unrealistic traffic.

By the way the name I registred were those:
CHAES STUDENT LOANS
CHASE STIUDENTLOANS
CHASE STUEDNT LOANS
Chaes student loans dot com I tought was a lot better than chazestudentloans but received zero traffic from the beginning which from my experience would have been impossible.

[prateekj]

Originally Posted by shoval

I came across a group of people, all from Mumbai India after buying from them "traffic domains" . Prattik seems to be part of them. I bought based on parking stats they sent me ( from DS and parked.com) but soon after I bought the domains I found out that they had almost no traffic. Both Parked.com and Domainsponsor verified to me that almost all the clicks on their domains were fraudulent/self clicks. parked.com terminated their accounts. Their "system" seems to be working so that the person who post the domain is NOT the owner but supposedly is posting for a "friend".

the domains I came across were ( that they oferred me to buy)


barclaysrefinance.com
barclayrefinance.com
onlineonslaught.com
usbankfinance.com
tutorial-site.com
icl2020.com
icl20-20.com
ipl20-20.com
usbankrefinance.com
bringmemovie.com
refinancewachovia.com
yamahar15.com

The emails associated with domains that were offered for sale are:

chetanbabuta@gmail.com
ashes667@gmail.com
gauravgurbaxani@yahoo.com
sanketptl1@gmail.com
prateek.777@gmail.com

The guy who scammed me was Chetan Babuta, and after email exchange with him he did refund me part of the money.

They keep moving between parking comanies untill they get caught. I believe now they park at revenuedirect.com

There should be a better way to warn people here and on Namepros, so that other members do not lose money for their fraud. Their fraud is also damaging to parking companies and to us as domainers, when advertisers find out they were cheated.



in list of email this one should be added:

chirag.555@gmail.com

Shoval,

This is shocking news to me!

I remember you mailing me once about whether I knew one of them (cant remember which 1). That time too I had made it clear that I do not know him personally.

Now let me be more clear. Out of all the people mentioned above, I only know Chirag Shah. Through him, I have bought a couple of domains myself from Chetan. In fact, I had actually been offered usbankfinance.com but I rejected it. From what I know, the DS account that got blocked belonged to Chetan and all of the mentioned people including Chirag used to park their domains in the same DS account.

When this whole chaze fiasco happened, Chirag had told me that the reason behind the DS account getting blocked was that a couple of the above people may have infact been involved in some 'questionable' activities but he had also assured me that the chaze domain was completely clean. Now, I too am having some doubts.

What these guys do and how they do it, I don't know. All I can tell you is that I still park my domains with DS and these are all my domains which receive clean traffic from type-ins, typos etc.

I too buy typos regularly from this forum. Now tell me one thing, if I were involved in such activities, why would I spend thousands of dollars on genuine typos, when I could simply register typos and generate fake traffic to them and then sell them for thousands?

Shoval, as far as the domains that you bough are concerned, it seems that a majority of them have seasonal traffic. Maybe thats why the traffic dies out. For example, icl 2020, ipl 2020 are major cricket leagues in India. Everytime there is a tournament, the traffic should come back. Yamaha r15 is a bike that was recently launched in India. Maybe the traffic died out once the hype over this bike got over. You can rest assured about these names getting their traffic back. As far as the other domains go, you should check with your parking proivider. Maybe the traffic is in fact fraudulent. As far as our so called 'group' from Mumbai goes, I am not part of any such group. I haven't even met any of them other than Chirag.

The fact again is that I was the broker in the chaze deal but now I feel like a victim. I don't know what to do. I feel cheated and violated myself. I am sick and tired of this deal. Steen, I am really sorry for having sold you the domain. Had I any clue whatsoever that this domain could be involved in fraud, I would have thrown it back at Chirag. Now, all I can do is help you in getting the money back from Chirag or atleast get some domains that receive similar earnings. This is the best I can do.

If you are interested in any such resolution, lets keep in touch through email.

Prateek

[rentdn]

Originally Posted by prateekj

The fact again is that I was the broker in the chaze deal but now I feel like a victim.

Sorry man , but if you've decided to broker a deal , you should take all responsibility.

As for me I don't think that you're a victim at all

You should at least give the buyer partial refund , and after that try to get the money from your client , it's not buyer's fault that your client is a cheater it's totally yours

[Carter]

Originally Posted by rentdn

Sorry man , but if you've decided to broker a deal , you should take all responsibility.

As for me I don't think that you're a victim at all

You should at least give the buyer partial refund , and after that try to get the money from your client , it's not buyer's fault that your client is a cheater it's totally yours

I Agree 100%

[sdsinc]

Prateek, please understand that notwithstanding your responsibility as a broker you are in the best position to recover money from Chirag

[gingeman]

You take full responsibility as broker. End of.

[shoval]

Originally Posted by prateekj

Shoval,

This is shocking news to me!

I remember you mailing me once about whether I knew one of them (cant remember which 1). That time too I had made it clear that I do not know him personally.

Now let me be more clear. Out of all the people mentioned above, I only know Chirag Shah. Through him, I have bought a couple of domains myself from Chetan. In fact, I had actually been offered usbankfinance.com but I rejected it. From what I know, the DS account that got blocked belonged to Chetan and all of the mentioned people including Chirag used to park their domains in the same DS account.

When this whole chaze fiasco happened, Chirag had told me that the reason behind the DS account getting blocked was that a couple of the above people may have infact been involved in some 'questionable' activities but he had also assured me that the chaze domain was completely clean. Now, I too am having some doubts.

What these guys do and how they do it, I don't know. All I can tell you is that I still park my domains with DS and these are all my domains which receive clean traffic from type-ins, typos etc.

I too buy typos regularly from this forum. Now tell me one thing, if I were involved in such activities, why would I spend thousands of dollars on genuine typos, when I could simply register typos and generate fake traffic to them and then sell them for thousands?

Shoval, as far as the domains that you bough are concerned, it seems that a majority of them have seasonal traffic. Maybe thats why the traffic dies out. For example, icl 2020, ipl 2020 are major cricket leagues in India. Everytime there is a tournament, the traffic should come back. Yamaha r15 is a bike that was recently launched in India. Maybe the traffic died out once the hype over this bike got over. You can rest assured about these names getting their traffic back. As far as the other domains go, you should check with your parking proivider. Maybe the traffic is in fact fraudulent. As far as our so called 'group' from Mumbai goes, I am not part of any such group. I haven't even met any of them other than Chirag.

The fact again is that I was the broker in the chaze deal but now I feel like a victim. I don't know what to do. I feel cheated and violated myself. I am sick and tired of this deal. Steen, I am really sorry for having sold you the domain. Had I any clue whatsoever that this domain could be involved in fraud, I would have thrown it back at Chirag. Now, all I can do is help you in getting the money back from Chirag or atleast get some domains that receive similar earnings. This is the best I can do.

If you are interested in any such resolution, lets keep in touch through email.

Prateek

When you systematically post other people's domains and offer them to forum memebers - you should not be shocked when your "friends" or "clients" are found to be scammers.

You also are not telling the truth. Let me remind you that you posted sebi.in for sale while you were NOT the owner:
http://www.dnforum.com/f116/sebi-dot...ad-259657.html

I eventually bought it from its owner. When asked why you posted that domain a seller, you replied you just wanted to "help a friend"...
The seller - your "friend" was Chetan Babuta who I found out to be involved in click fraud. So apparently you did not tell the truth when saying Chirag is the only one you know out of list I provided.
I am not an police investigator, but I'd suspect that you are part of this group of people that sell each others domains, to disguise their fraud.

By the way - I did NOT buy all the domains in that list. People from that group agressively tried to sell them to me after I had bought sebi.in

[Irish31]

Originally Posted by shoval

When you systematically post other people's domains and offer them to forum memebers - you should not be shocked when your "friends" or "clients" are found to be scammers.

You also are not telling the truth. Let me remind you that you posted sebi.in for sale while you were NOT the owner:
http://www.dnforum.com/f116/sebi-dot...ad-259657.html

I eventually bought it from its owner. When asked why you posted that domain a seller, you replied you just wanted to "help a friend"...
The seller - your "friend" was Chetan Babuta who I found out to be involved in click fraud. So apparently you did not tell the truth when saying Chirag is the only one you know out of list I provided.
I am not an police investigator, but I'd suspect that you are part of this group of people that sell each others domains, to disguise their fraud.

By the way - I did NOT buy all the domains in that list. People from that group agressively tried to sell them to me after I had bought sebi.in

Sounds like you aren't likely to get anything back from this guy Steen, also sounds like hes going to keep up the "victim" angle so long as it least one person is buying it.

We as a community need to start taking a stand aganist this crap. This is our hard earned money we are just giving away to these thiefs. We should have some sort of BDA "Bad Domainers Alert" section and a CBD" section for confirmed bad domainers.

Whenever ANYONE on this forum goes to make a deal, it should be mandatory that they take a quick look over the BDA and CBD list to ensure their partner is on the level and has no history of suspicious or fraudlent claims.

Such a forum would need to moderated carefully though as we would have impatient / irrational or vindictive members posting misleading or untruthfull information about other members (seen it happen many times on other forums for various hobbies). Overall though, I think it would be a great way to really start making a dent into these criminals.

Acro, you do an admirable job, what do you feel about something like this, the merit in it? Would be nice if we had a formal, centralized place for this. I know we have the "unresolved deals" section, but this is more of a place to see a chain gang list of known fraud artists.

In another industry I use to be in, this was a big problem (where isn't it these days?) and it didn't stop till the community banded together and setup a system like ths.

I think we do a pretty good job as a group already, I think this would be a great resource.

[Jeffreyw]

Moderators should check the IPs of these emails, if these are emails of members here...

chetanbabuta@gmail.com
ashes667@gmail.com
gauravgurbaxani@yahoo.com
sanketptl1@gmail.com
prateek.777@gmail.com

[fab]

This sounds pretty bad to me. Acro was elected detective of the month. Maybe he can get this one solved.