$8,500 STOLEN by Prateek Jain & Chirag Shah

[rentdn]

I think there is nothing to solve here - everything is very clear

[Steen]

Originally Posted by prateekj

Now tell me one thing, if I were involved in such activities, why would I spend thousands of dollars on genuine typos, when I could simply register typos and generate fake traffic to them and then sell them for thousands?

Because PPC fraud is not a long term business plan. Domain ownership is.

The fact again is that I was the broker in the chaze deal but now I feel like a victim. I don't know what to do. I feel cheated and violated myself. I am sick and tired of this deal. Steen, I am really sorry for having sold you the domain. Had I any clue whatsoever that this domain could be involved in fraud, I would have thrown it back at Chirag. Now, all I can do is help you in getting the money back from Chirag

If what you say is factual (and everyone here has their doubts) then yes, you were a victim. You put your name behind this deal and YOUR money. The simple fact is regardless of your role in this deal YOU owe me $8,500. Your ability to collect this from "Chirag" is irrelevant.
YOUR money may already be lost if you cannot collect, but you can still recover your reputation.

...or atleast get some domains that receive similar earnings. This is the best I can do.

If you are interested in any such resolution, lets keep in touch through email.

I suggested this in my previous post so clearly it is something I am open to. Do not try and continue these discussions via email though. The community needs to know what is going on and I will make sure everything that happens is completely transparent. Simply PM/email me a proposal and I will say "yes/no" - any other communication needs to be public. Obviously I am not interested in low traffic, high RPM domain names and will do extensive research on any traffic names you offer me. If any were in the terminated DS account(s) or associated with your "friends" I have no interest.

[ilovedomains]

These thieves dont think you can reach out and touch them, but their wrong. Lawyers are cheap in India, and many of them speak english. If this doesnt get resolved, you can hire a lawyer to start harrassing them and get an Indian collection agency on their *** for a couple of hundred bucks.

http://www.hierosgamos.org/hg/db_law...&country=India

[mulligan]

Call the police in the city where these clowns live and file a formal complaint for fraud.
8.5k is a lot of money in some parts of India and the cops should take a keen interest in it.
Oh yeah .. The cops are not know to go exactly 'by the book' and so a world of hurtin may be on the way for these assholes.
I can assure you, the last thing these guys want is a truck load of cops tooled up with lathis coming round to ask questions .. what do you think of that solution Prateek?

Originally Posted by mulligan

8.5k is a lot of money in some parts of India

That should be 'most parts of India'

[fab]

Originally Posted by ilovedomains

These thieves dont think you can reach out and touch them, but their wrong. Lawyers are cheap in India, and many of them speak english. If this doesnt get resolved, you can hire a lawyer to start harrassing them and get an Indian collection agency on their *** for a couple of hundred bucks.

http://www.hierosgamos.org/hg/db_law...&country=India

That's good to know. I was once scammed for 2K by an Indian outsourcer. I really needed that info then.

[gingeman]

The fact that there was click fraud involved was painfully obvious from the beginning, the fact that prateek was involved in some way seems clear since shoval's post. I really don't see how people are still swallowing this.

[ekal]

Questions for prateek....

Why was your account shut at Namepros?
http://www.namepros.com/member.php?u=68477

Apparently you're back again with a new ID:
http://www.namepros.com/member.php?u=91303

[all4cost]

One of the main things was - Signing up under multiple accounts trying to buy Parking Accounts ...

If anyone can think of a Legit reason to buy Parking accounts ... Think again.

PS : We had several banned accounts under "chirag" though none matched the same Email Address posted above.

But From our chat log : (Edited out other users remarks)

chirag2211: i made 450$ in 3 days in adsense
chirag2211: and other day boom
chirag2211: they banned me
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chirag2211: i was using hide ip
chirag2211: chaging ip
chirag2211: clicking on my own ads
chirag2211: hehe
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chirag2211: even i was thinking of making a group
chirag2211: to clicks ads
chirag2211: hehe

Not sure how popular that name is there - But it is the Same Country and Region (IP Ranges) as all other accounts involved ...

[Acro]

Wow.

[gingeman]

I would describe this as 'overwhelming' evidence of foul play.

[GAMEFINEST]

You have no idea how many people from india do this all day long, from programmers to "seo specialists"

[jasdon11]

Scumbags!

WTF doesn't Google track down some of these thieves and prosecute them through the courts.

Surely that would reduce the amount of click fraud going on - isn't that what they want?

[nameadvertising.com]

Google has its investors to reply to. Google can (with all its resources) do plenty. If the cop chooses to look the other way during a crime, it's left to the vigilantes to solve this problem.

Criminals come from all countries. Some are blatant but petty, like the Chirags and some are sneaky and vicious like the Enrons.

I remember mistakenly clicking on a search result on my own site. This was in 2004. Minutes later, the click amount showed $8 plus for 2 clicks. I was in the middle of something and did not realize what I had done. I emailed Google Adsense support telling them what had happened. They replied for sure, but never removed the credit. Never reimbursed the advertiser. They could have and should have done that.

If all the world was honest, there would be no war, strife and disillusion. Folks like Chirag, Enron and even Google keep the flame burning.

It's all about the dough baby. Get it any which way you can.

I feel badly for Steen.

I think there should be a standard for selling traffic / revenue based names. Something like a minimum of 12 months of stats. If a fraudster can defraud parking companies for that long, then perhaps those parking companies should get their act together.

This standard will minimize (if not completely eliminate) fraud. There are some big names in the business who can set this standard. I think it will be good for the industry as a whole.

I believe that from every bad thing, something good must come out of it....

Keep the discussion going. Without trust, there is nothing.

[fab]

Scumbags!

WTF doesn't Google track down some of these thieves and prosecute them through the courts.

Surely that would reduce the amount of click fraud going on - isn't that what they want?

From waht I understand Google has offices in India, so if there is really a lot of fraud coming from there, it would make sense that they should have lawyers working on that.

[sdsinc]

Originally Posted by all4cost

Not sure how popular that name is there - But it is the Same Country and Region (IP Ranges) as all other accounts involved ...

Interesting. That person used to have an account at NP (closed): http://www.namepros.com/member.php?u=39485

Not sure we are talking about the same person, I think it's a common surname there.
But I am wondering if there has been any further communication between Prateek/Steen/Chirag ?

[all4cost]

That is the same person Kate - The chat log is from NP.

[sdsinc]

Thanks. The dots are connected now.

[fab]

Is the case clear yet, or are there still doubts? Of one of the forum members got cheated, even if he didn't act safely, the forum admin should be doing something about it.

[rentdn]

[trader]

I am sure there is much more fraud as a percentage in India and nations in the area than elsewhere. There are armies of work at home moms all over the area who are paid to click all day. That has been written about in the media.