Adsense for Domains Opening Up

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

It may be a win/win for domainers regarding parking.

This may force the parking companies to come back to us and offer a greater share to keep our business, better service, and a rude awakening that they, the parking company, exists because of domains and domainers. Too often we have been taken for granted and treated like lower class citizens.

Domains and the internet does not exist because because companies made it so.

If they are indeed being squeezed out now by Google, then they certainly will not be able to come back and offer anything more to you in the future, as they'll be put out of business. Outside of Google and Yahoo ad feeds, what is there, nothing... Yahoo is in BIG trouble as is, so one upstream ad provider in the future isn't all that far fecthed.

Ask yourself one simple question, could you boycott Google today? For any normal internet user the answer is a big huge NO. Google Search, YouTube, AdSense, Google Webmaster Tools, Google Analytics, GMail, Google Maps... and next up PPC parking... red flags, red flags!!!

You said that "Domains and the internet does not exist because because companies made it so." Try telling that to someone in Poland. The largest search engine here Onet.pl, was just paid off to ditch there own search engine, and provide Google search feeds. What does that mean exactly, if you're Polish you cannot search the internet without going through a US based cooperation named Google... a complete and TOTAL 90% market domination. Companies like Google in many ways own the internet experience, or as you say "make it so", no one else can sprout that kind of infrastructure overnight, or even in a decade for that matter.

[Foxo]

Side Note: The Auction is taking place in the Chat Room in case anyone forgot

[hecto]

I can see Google winning this market fast and without any problems. I mean the parking companies are the middle men so if we get rid of them we can earn some more.

[ksinclair]

Does anyone know if parking with Adsense for Domains will be like regular parking, where your domain is hurt with page rank? parking lowers page rank even after you have left the parking program, is my understanding. Will that be true with Adsense for Domains also?

Secondly, will they be picky or does every domain quality? do they review what domains are on the system with some criteria?

[Foxo]

Originally Posted by ksinclair

Does anyone know if parking with Adsense for Domains will be like regular parking, where your domain is hurt with page rank? parking lowers page rank even after you have left the parking program, is my understanding. Will that be true with Adsense for Domains also?

Secondly, will they be picky or does every domain quality? do they review what domains are on the system with some criteria?

Secondly, will they be picky or does every domain quality? do they review what domains are on the system with some criteria?

Well I can answer the second part... I just submitted my portfolio. There system is pretty quick in check and accepting names. Only 6 names of mine was not approved not sure why as they are not against TOA. Names like GreenerDrive.com and TalkVIP.com... If you have a strong porn, poker, gay or TM portfolio- this is not for you. It didn't accept Gay-Pride.org. It does have a resubmit option though which I plan on using. If your name is not against their TOA it seems to accept them within minutes once the DNS changes have propagated.

[Carter]

Originally Posted by Foxo

Well I can answer the second part... I just submitted my portfolio. There system is pretty quick in check and accepting names. Only 6 names of mine was not approved not sure why as they are not against TOA. Names like GreenerDrive.com and TalkVIP.com... If you have a strong porn, poker, gay or TM portfolio- this is not for you. It didn't accept Gay-Pride.org. It does have a resubmit option though which I plan on using. If your name is not against their TOA it seems to accept them within minutes once the DNS changes have propagated.

Great!
When the auction finish I will submit mine too.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Foxo

Names like GreenerDrive.com and TalkVIP.com... If you have a strong porn, poker, gay or TM portfolio- this is not for you. It didn't accept Gay-Pride.org. It does have a resubmit option though which I plan on using. If your name is not against their TOA it seems to accept them within minutes once the DNS changes have propagated.

Well put and bears repeating.

It would be very, very prudent to carefully review the TOA and what is and is not allowed.

Get ready for a flurry of threads *****ing about members' accounts being suspended. Either play by their rules or don't waste the time and effort.

Best of luck to all who dive into the deep end.

Time to see if this sucker floats or sinks.

[HarveyJ]

Originally Posted by hecto

I can see Google winning this market fast and without any problems. I mean the parking companies are the middle men so if we get rid of them we can earn some more.

See it's this blind naivete that means that Google will get to squeeze out the PPC providers... and the idiots around here will have no one to blame but themselves.

You really think Google is going to pay you MORE than what you're currently getting from your parking provider? Get Fd! Google's just going to take a bigger slice for Google. You might get $0.01 or $0.02 more per click, and you'll be drooling over that because you're used to a click being only $0.08-$0.10, and that seems like a big increase.
In the meantime, Google, which has been giving your parking providers $0.15 for the $0.50 they get for the ads are basically going to swipe back that $0.03-$0.06 for themselves... And they have WAY more volume than you do, so those little increases count a lot more.

PPC providers really have only themselves to blame on this. They should have seen this coming the moment Google started pushing their ads to them.

My prediction: You're going to have Google, a few pissant PPC players that have the selling point of "hey, at least we're not Google", and people developing minisites with affiliate tracking that you just forward or redirect to.
In the long run, you're better off with the affilaite CPA stuff anyway.
Hell, one of the admins at a certain other domain forum is already doing this with the services my lot provide, and we're only good for for 2-3 niches really.

I'm kind of glad that I've got some slave labour from DP working on a few landers for me.
I'm basically going to start forwarding all my domains to a couple of base sites that change what they've got, depending on the referring URL.

[copper]

Originally Posted by Carter

http://www.google.com/domainpark/images/dp_example.gif

Humm...
I don't see for sale link on that sample page.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by HarveyJ

See it's this blind naivete that means that Google will get to squeeze out the PPC providers... and the idiots around here will have no one to blame but themselves.

Nice to think that I am an idiot to watch my daily revenue drop 75-80% (and monthly revenue) at Sedo and to think I have no one to blame but myself.

Parked? Hilarious. The "magical mystery tour" of disappearing clicks and hits and traffic.

Yup, all my damn fault that domains at sedo paying $9.58 Per Click are now $0.70 with NO drop in traffic stats.

Sure Sedo uses Google. But exactly how much is Sedo keeping?

There has never ever been ANY transparency regarding any parking company so I say **** em all. Sedo does not even respond to the threads posted on this forum anymore. I am sick and tired of the "it's out of our hands" script laying on each persons desk working at sedo.

I have no intention of keeping my domains parked forever and am hell bent on building sites.

So please, refer to yourself as being the idiot if you continue to park anywhere and think "Oh gee, this is just horrible. It's a monopoly".

Developing or learning a skill to create your own sites is the only remedy.

[Carter]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Nice to think that I am an idiot to watch my daily revenue drop 75-80% (and monthly revenue) at Sedo and to think I have no one to blame but myself.

Parked? Hilarious. The "magical mystery tour" of disappearing clicks and hits and traffic.

Yup, all my damn fault that domains at sedo paying $9.58 Per Click are now $0.70 with NO drop in traffic stats.

Sure Sedo uses Google. But exactly how much is Sedo keeping?

There has never ever been ANY transparency regarding any parking company so I say **** em all.

I have no intention of keeping my domains parked forever and am hell bent on building sites.

So please, refer to yourself as being the idiot if you continue to park anywhere and think "Oh gee, this is just horrible. It's a monopoly".

Developing or learning a skill to create your own sites is the only remedy.

So true what you said.

[whitebark]

If they match what they pay on average via adsense then I'm game. If they don't there are other choices/solutions to consider.

[DomainsInc]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Nice to think that I am an idiot to watch my daily revenue drop 75-80% (and monthly revenue) at Sedo and to think I have no one to blame but myself.

Parked? Hilarious. The "magical mystery tour" of disappearing clicks and hits and traffic.

Yup, all my damn fault that domains at sedo paying $9.58 Per Click are now $0.70 with NO drop in traffic stats.

Sure Sedo uses Google. But exactly how much is Sedo keeping?

There has never ever been ANY transparency regarding any parking company so I say **** em all. Sedo does not even respond to the threads posted on this forum anymore. I am sick and tired of the "it's out of our hands" script laying on each persons desk working at sedo.

I have no intention of keeping my domains parked forever and am hell bent on building sites.

So please, refer to yourself as being the idiot if you continue to park anywhere and think "Oh gee, this is just horrible. It's a monopoly".

Developing or learning a skill to create your own sites is the only remedy.

I have a couple sites that use adsense and I gotta say, I make way more per click with parked than adsense. Maybe its the subject matter but the amount adsense is paying me per click is pathetic.

[Foxo]

Parked is the PPC where I still see $9+ clicks... I would never touch Sedo as a parking choice... we can debate adsense vs. ppc providers all nite long... however, with this new system, we won't really know till we try. If it doen't produce, it's back to what does produce and for me that's been Parked. Hell, if it only produces for a few months-- then I'll take my cheese then move on. It is to google's benefit to have sustainable revenue.

[netfleet]

Wow - this is massive news.

I've been bugging them for years with no response....

Agree with most of the thoughts on this page.

Positive

Cutting out the middleman theoretically means more revenue for us domainers (and Google probably)

Negative

Who knows what the rev share is anyway? Quite possible that the parking companies would be able to negotiate a better share that outweighs their cut.

This could definitely be troubling. Would not fancy being a parking company right at this moment.

What we really need is transparancy. If an advertiser pays $2/Click through Adwords content match. Precisely what would be paid out?

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

I have a couple sites that use adsense and I gotta say, I make way more per click with parked than adsense. Maybe its the subject matter but the amount adsense is paying me per click is pathetic.

Adsense is no different than any PPC site or parking - you have to monitize. You have to use the correct keywords and metatags and mixture of ads as you would with your parking pages.

Link ads, content ads, image ads. Color schemes, and on and on.

Sounds like work, eh? Same is true with parking. It is not "park it and they will come".

If you are happy with parked, stay with parked. But for a real eyeopening reality check, try yous domains at someplace else like fabulous. Then go back and ask your parked rep why your clicks and traffic don't match the other sites.

While you are at it, ask your parked rep why they do not compensate for the 404 errors they are recording when the domains are forwarded to their lander and their control.

I have one site, optimized with Adsense and currently that one site is topping the daily total by Sedo. Why? As I stated - over the past two months I have seen daily and monthly click revenue decrease steadily by at least 75%.

It is out of our control
-Sedo Manager-

Well fine. I'll take control.

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

more per click with parked than adsense.

And you also have the option of adding CJ, LinkShare, or (my favorite) Amazon with your own site.

Don't ignore the fact that there is options. When you stay with a parking company your options for more than one way to monitize and optimize are limited to what they have to offer.

They have you by the shorthairs.

[whitebark]

It just appeared in my account - wasn't there earlier today..

I'm curious as to how we track earnings on the domains we submit. Someone who has set this up can you shed some light on that? Can you create channels for each, is it done automatically etc?

[Foxo]

Originally Posted by whitebark

It just appeared in my account - wasn't there earlier today..

I'm curious as to how we track earnings on the domains we submit. Someone who has set this up can you shed some light on that? Can you create channels for each, is it done automatically etc?

Yes it allows channels. Up to 200 and it has to be done manually as of now. So if you own 210.... that's 10 domains that can't be tracked. The interface is extremely archaic for parking domains. It is tedious to work with especially if you're accustomed to how easy the good parking companies are. They need so many new features to cater to domainers. I still don't know how to see detail for individual domain names.

[copper]

Originally Posted by Foxo

Yes it allows channels. Up to 200 and it has to be done manually as of now. So if you own 210.... that's 10 domains that can't be tracked. The interface is extremely archaic for parking domains. It is tedious to work with especially if you're accustomed to how easy the good parking companies are. They need so many new features to cater to domainers. I still don't know how to see detail for individual domain names.

That sounds like sooo stone-age

[jasdon11]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

It's a bit lame and kinda cheesy, but for hilarity's sake I want to lock into this thread a gut feeling / prediction. If AdSense for domains is able to take hold, and kill off a large percentage of parking companies, domain parking will be dead in 3 to 5 years. We'll hear stories along the way from parking reps that Google squeezed them out deliberately in the lead up, leaving them to take the blame for diminishing parking payouts, as is likely the case here and now. Google will naturally keep their own payouts high right up until they've bleed out most of the middle men. However in the end and with few PPC parking options left on the table at that point, Google will sanitize, regulate, and shave PPC parking to death, possibly even just sh!t-can the whole program one day due to some "public outcry nonsense" (i.e. GOOG needs a rebound). I've been an AdSense publisher for 5 to 6 years now, and despite global ad spending increasing every single year, earnings continue to nose dive across numerous keyword niches, and across numerous languages.

Last I checked Google is still the same double talk company that has been wobbling over the "domain parking" issue for years. Though parking companies still use Google ad feeds, they do very much hold a tremendous amount of collective bargaining power through the sheer number of publishers they represent. In that sense they also offer an umbrella of collective protection to domainers, simply based on the fact that they are "collective", and exist outside of Google's direct oversight.

My business survival slogan for myself from 2008 forward is "get comfortable developing and managing direct ad sales, or find a new line of work". I'm convinced PPC for both domains and websites is dying...

Nominated for 'Post Of The Thread'.

The final paragraph being the only true solution. Your traffic is an asset, and using it for anything other than direct (ad) sales is to devalue it.