March 26 TBR

[whitebark]

hen is perfect for hen parties. Nice pickup at a decent price. Random LLL.ca's with good letters are always half that or more lately at auction.

I have northerncanada and I can tell you it makes more than regfee parked. North.ca would do far better. Now if everyone would just take a vacation I'll add North to my collection as well.

[Daem0n]

Am I out of the loop?...what is a hen party?

Anybody else get anything good yesterday (or the day before)? I picked-up albertainvestor.ca and virtualworker.ca among some others.

[theinvestor]

By hen party ...he basically means a chick party (for women). It will soon be exciting to own these domains we're picking up. Just wait...in 2015 --- everyone will be all over these domains. Okay...maybe 2015 is a long time...but it's still worth it.

[revolution1]

hen great buy great price.

[Daem0n]

It's not too far away...each year I regret my previous year's sales because of the increase in value lol

[revolution1]

any updates on the pool auctions?

[DropWizard.com]

Originally Posted by revolution1

hen great buy great price.

Because ?



North.ca

I'm sorry but other than the fact that one is a three letter that (may) have some value to a company at some point I fail to see MUCH value in either of these.

Sorry JMO

[revolution1]

Originally Posted by DropWizard.com

Because ?



North.ca

I'm sorry but other than the fact that one is a three letter that (may) have some value to a company at some point I fail to see MUCH value in either of these.

Sorry JMO

really no worth for these two. Before there was no value for banks what else is porn (ca) valueless as well. I am curious as to what names you think are premium. And i mean an actual example.

[Daem0n]

I'd also like to know what you guys think are PREMIUM .ca names that people own or have acquired. Not for arguments sake, but just out of curiosity. I think when it comes down to it, almost any one-worded *.ca domain COULD be considered premium depending on the audience. I always find it difficult when people appraise value to certain domains as any domain holds certain value to certain people. While I might like to own the domain of bank or banks.ca...someone interested or representing travel would have little to no interest in that domain...therefore it is not premium to them.

[whitebark]

A hen party is the female equivalent of a bachelor party. I owned limos for a number of years, I can tell you females take their party seriously! LOL

Right now in Greater Vancouver on at least two radio stations is a company offering stag services with a a long .com. "Check us out at the bachelorplan.com", or is it "thebachelorplan.com". Very poor choice of wording for a radio ad. Now if they had hen and/or stag.ca they wouldn't have that problem. And how many people are misspelling bachelor as well?

Gordon - we are a northern country, so it fits with so many things. End users are plentiful for it. EVerything from guides and outfitters to hotels and more.

[DropWizard.com]

Originally Posted by revolution1

really no worth for these two. Before there was no value for banks what else is porn (ca) valueless as well. I am curious as to what names you think are premium. And i mean an actual example.

I have no problem whatsoever with porn (ca) being a premium name. But what I fail to see is an immediate and obvious business plan for these names.

They're TOOOOO generic. They become exercises in branding and believe me that is extremely expensive. Far more than most of you realize.

Give me a domain that is obvious, people will type in looking for that exact product and the domain is the industry leader or a close second and a large market. That to me is a premium.

EG: Girls.ca nice domain but extremely generic. Traffic could be looking for almost anything.
Na**dGirl/s.ca or N*deGirl/s.ca far better. Specific, you know almost exactly what the traffic is looking for.

You can call girls the premium domain but I'd spend the $$$$ on the next two first because they will make $$$$ right away.

Too many beginners waste their $$$$ on supposed generic one worders when they really signify nothing but an expensive branding exercise or a future (maybe) sale. And that is why I challenge (or try to) the prevailing group think sometimes.

Domains are corporate assets and need to make $$$$. I fail to see that with those two.

Originally Posted by whitebark

Gordon - we are a northern country, so it fits with so many things. End users are plentiful for it. EVerything from guides and outfitters to hotels and more.

I get that Roy. I'm sitting watching the snow drift down (brrrrr)

Same answer as above!

[theinvestor]

DropWizard -- There are many things in life that have no value to me. That doesn't mean they don't have value. I would think being a domainer you would know that by now.

Icq.ca and north.ca are still the same price they were at before.
$2302 and $2101 respectively with just under 3 days remaining.

[Daem0n]

Very interesting discussion all around. It's good to see different people's opinions about these things. In the end, I think what makes a domain valuable is the audience and the limited availability of keywords that someone would like to use for marketing purposes...therefore, unless something is a TM or someone wants an exact name (such as a birth name or common name) then multiple domains of that keyword should be equally as valuable to someone with good marketing skills - provided that they are available for sale for the right price

[domainatrix]

My husband spends some time reading through these threads now and then. Last night he told me that he observed an unusual similarity between the discussions going on here and the one's he used to read when he was actively trading stocks 7 or 8 years ago. He said the comment posted reminded him of daytraders (are any of you former stockhouse junkies?) His point was that there are traders and there are investors. Here we have "domainers", "speculators", "investors" and maybe a few other categories.

Most interesting is the fact that several of you post that a domain is junk and you would never buy it at a certain price, and those same people are the ones bidding the highest price at Pool, Namespro, etc.

The other more controversial point he made was about how he remembers the daytraders had multiple login accounts on the discussion board. He questioned whether there was any attempt to influence prices here, either up or down? For example, many discussions about the LL.ca names and then sales crossing hands at $12K or $15K, but are these real sales, or simply intended to help raise the price of a LL.ca being auctioned at Sibername?

Don't mean to be too, too controversial, but these are observations that I wouldn't have personally made, that have come through a formerly avid stock trader who sees several similarities in the posts here vis a vis Stockhouse.

Also, as far a value, if you are a true "domainer" looking to generate click revenue from your domains, it is in your best interest to keep prices low, so that you get maximum return on your domain purchase.

On the other hand, if you are an investor, you likely have a longer term horizon and will be more flexible in how much you pay.

North.ca is a great example - a domainer looking for click ad revenue only, would likely not pay too much as it has no specific product or service audience. On the other hand, as a value domain investor, I would likely pay much more with the understanding this domain will be worth 2x-3x selling price in a few years or less. I could give a bunch of examples...

Jen

[Daem0n]

Hmmmm very interesting points. I would have to agree on all of them. I myself have wondered about artificial inflation of domains. I'm sure it goes on quite often, but that is the same with any business model that has supply and demand...especially in limited quantities (different TLDs). Unfortunately that's the way the game is played...you must be smart in your purchases...whether they are investments or not. People get greedy when anything involves money and some people will do anything to get more of it...even if that means immoral decisions and/or deceiving other people.

I've always been into the stock market, especially when daytrading was popular...but I was never involved in daytrading. I do see a lot of similarities. I find domaining more personal as you are not "sharing" your domain name (for the most part) except for with the registrar...as well some names have a special meaning or attachment to some people. I guess stocks could also, but I don't think any stock has ever really related to me on a personal level.

[theinvestor]

Flipping domains is identical to day trading.
Just remember the majority of your sales you want to be end user sales.
The only investments really are the ones you hold and eventually end up selling back to a reseller.

Pumping and dumping doesn't really happen on a professional forum. You can't have more than 1 membership here. If so, you'll get banned.

[ShaunP]

Originally Posted by domainatrix

... Here we have "domainers", "speculators", "investors" and maybe a few other categories...
Jen

You forgot "dreamers" in there also. There is a large amount of those in there. I remember and old saying "Beauty may be skin deep, but ulgy is to the bone.". It reminds of a domain saying, "A good name is always a good name and will become valuable, a bad name is always a bad name.

Actually, maybe the two sayings don't really mean the same thing .. you get my point. I think people have got to be more realistic in their valuations of .ca names and most of all, their overwhelming overuse of the word "premium".

[Daem0n]

Originally Posted by ShaunP

You forgot "dreamers" in there also. There is a large grouth of those in there. I remember and old saying "Beauty may be skin deep, but ulgy is to the bone.". It reminds of a domain saying, "A good name is always a good name and may be bemore valuable, a bad name is always a bad name.

Actually, maybe the two sayings don't really mean the same thing .. you get my point. I think people have got to be more realistic in their valuations of .ca names and most of all. their overwhelming overuse of the word "premium".

lol, well said. Nothing wrong with dreaming...just don't try to force it onto others, it won't work

[revolution1]

Originally Posted by DropWizard.com

I have no problem whatsoever with porn (ca) being a premium name. But what I fail to see is an immediate and obvious business plan for these names.

They're TOOOOO generic. They become exercises in branding and believe me that is extremely expensive. Far more than most of you realize.

Give me a domain that is obvious, people will type in looking for that exact product and the domain is the industry leader or a close second and a large market. That to me is a premium.

EG: Girls.ca nice domain but extremely generic. Traffic could be looking for almost anything.
Na**dGirl/s.ca or N*deGirl/s.ca far better. Specific, you know almost exactly what the traffic is looking for.

You can call girls the premium domain but I'd spend the $$$$ on the next two first because they will make $$$$ right away.

Too many beginners waste their $$$$ on supposed generic one worders when they really signify nothing but an expensive branding exercise or a future (maybe) sale. And that is why I challenge (or try to) the prevailing group think sometimes.

Domains are corporate assets and need to make $$$$. I fail to see that with those two.



I get that Roy. I'm sitting watching the snow drift down (brrrrr)

Same answer as above!

I like that answer and it makes sense. I do however think super generic words will increase in value whether that is based on type in branding plans or whatever. I will say though that I on the other hand would like girls as opposed to naked girls. I think you would find a bigger market for girls as opposed to naked girls. Anyways I do see your point. But it seemed a little strange about banks that is all.

Thanks,
Christian.

Originally Posted by domainatrix

The other more controversial point he made was about how he remembers the daytraders had multiple login accounts on the discussion board. He questioned whether there was any attempt to influence prices here, either up or down? For example, many discussions about the LL.ca names and then sales crossing hands at $12K or $15K, but are these real sales, or simply intended to help raise the price of a LL.ca being auctioned at Sibername?
Jen

Good point i think there is some pump an dump going on in the domain world, as for dot ca i do not know. But then again there is a guy like Rick Schwartz who practices what he preaches and it is self evident in his ireport sale.

[DropWizard.com]

Jen:

I've never day traded in my life and only once bought stock.

If you can accept that I've been on this board for 6 years and know most of the people here via meetings, conversation, sales to them and former DropWizard clients I have seen nothing that makes me suspicious about any recent sales/threads.

But the fact is .ca is drastically undervalued and good sales and positive talk helps us all.

And Shaun is right. The word premium is being greatly overused. And the dreams of developing the next great website sometimes override common sense in spending $$$ to acquire a domain.

Sooner or later you have to pay the freight on a domain portfolio and it needs to be pretty solid to do that.