Which are really more valuable NN or LL .ca's

**DropWizard.com** · 01-03-2008, 05:59 PM

I have to admit I'm prejudiced. I honestly think the nn.ca is more valuable (or will become) than the ll.ca. There are only 99 or is it 100? nn.ca's available. There are close to 700 ll.ca's. There are many companies that identify products or themselves by numbers alone. I also think the nn.ca is much easier to remember for the general public. I mean who is going to forget 69.ca

Unfortunately there are very few of them that drop or come up for sale vs a lot of ll.ca that do. I think that has put the focus of the market on the ll.ca and I don't think they deserve it or the prices being paid.

Ok you can flame me now but please avoid words like idiot and moron. It hurts my feelings

**Namefox** · 01-03-2008, 07:50 PM

Well, I am going to say the obvious. It is a really broad question as I would prefer 69.ca to qq.ca but tm.ca over 69.ca. So it depends on the the combination but a ll.ca can always represent an acronym for a business or group where as a number most often can't. My 2 cents worth and I'm not even going to call you names or flame you ;-)

**whitebark** · 01-03-2008, 08:26 PM

I'm with namefox on this one. But I bet if you hunted around hard enough I am sure some university or marketing firm has studied people's memory when it comes to remembering letters vs numbers.

Hmm... a flame... only weird domainers come from Langley!

**Namefox** · 01-03-2008, 10:09 PM

Hahaha...I'm in Fraser Heights

**DropWizard.com** · 01-04-2008, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by namefox

Hahaha...I'm in Fraser Heights

Not to get off the subject but I thought you moved back east. Did the snow get to be too much

Originally Posted by whitebark

I'm with namefox on this one. But I bet if you hunted around hard enough I am sure some university or marketing firm has studied people's memory when it comes to remembering letters vs numbers.

Hmm... a flame... only weird domainers come from Langley!

OK make that idiot, moron and weird you can't call me

Originally Posted by namefox

Well, I am going to say the obvious. It is a really broad question as I would prefer 69.ca to qq.ca but tm.ca over 69.ca. So it depends on the the combination but a ll.ca can always represent an acronym for a business or group where as a number most often can't. My 2 cents worth and I'm not even going to call you names or flame you ;-)

Now I would take 69 over tm anyday. Much more specific and would convert gangbusters. And it probably has a fair bit of traffic. I've also heard a few wipo issues over letter domains but I don't recall ever hearing one over a number domain.

**Namefox** · 01-04-2008, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by DropWizard.com

Not to get off the subject but I thought you moved back east. Did the snow get to be too much

OK make that idiot, moron and weird you can't call me

Now I would take 69 over tm anyday. Much more specific and would convert gangbusters. And it probably has a fair bit of traffic. I've also heard a few wipo issues over letter domains but I don't recall ever hearing one over a number domain.

Yeah, I moved back for about 4 months and I couldn't live in a small town anymore. Had to come back.

**Jacksplat** · 01-04-2008, 11:35 PM

ll > nn hands down.

significance is key, and there are far more uses alpha over numeric.

**DropWizard.com** · 01-05-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Jacksplat

ll > nn hands down.

significance is key, and there are far more uses alpha over numeric.

But's that's just one parameter. NN are far more memorable and much rarer. And after all rarity has always been one of the major parameters of domain buying.

Yet it seems to disappear when it comes to the number domains?? Why is that?

**CyrusL** · 01-05-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by DropWizard.com

And after all rarity has always been one of the major parameters of domain buying.

Not really. There is only one hgfauiw5252-h7h.com but no one wants it despite it's rarity. I think the usage fuels a domain's value a million times more than any described metric of rarity (only 12 NNN.coms with a 5 in the first position and then repeating blah blah blah blah!).

**Dale Hubbard** · 01-05-2008, 03:43 PM

LL - easy answer.

**DropWizard.com** · 01-05-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by CyrusL

Not really. There is only one hgfauiw5252-h7h.com but no one wants it despite it's rarity. I think the usage fuels a domain's value a million times more than any described metric of rarity (only 12 NNN.coms with a 5 in the first position and then repeating blah blah blah blah!).

You're combining numbers AND letters. There is nothing unique about that there are billions of combinations like that.

I'm talking about the simplicity of just a NN or an LL. Two digits is all

So here's a question.

If I posted a list of say 10 NN domains and 10 LL domains and you were given 5 seconds to look at each list and then list as many as you could remember how many think they would remember more LL than the NN.

I'd personally bet my last dollar I'd remember more of the NN's

Originally Posted by aZooZa

LL - easy answer.

Is the easy answer always the right answer

And how often does the prevailing thinking get turned on it's ear for something that was earlier ignored?

**whitebark** · 01-05-2008, 04:33 PM

With both a LL and NN.ca dropping this week let's see what the market says. RR vs 36 is not fair, but OP vs 36 is imo.

**hugegrowth** · 01-05-2008, 05:08 PM

I think LL are more valuable because more businesses have LL acronyms. NN and NNN aren't used that much for business names. There are exceptions but overall I'd take a good LL over most NN. We are still talking about two valuable types of domains though, I'd love to own either type.

**DropWizard.com** · 01-05-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by whitebark

With both a LL and NN.ca dropping this week let's see what the market says. RR vs 36 is not fair, but OP vs 36 is imo.

I don't think anyone would see that as a contest. Strictly because the prevailing wisdom says the LL is greater value. But over the years I've seen "conventional wisdom" change completely.

Example. Around 2000-2001 G e n e r i c V i - g r a .com dropped. It was unregistered after the drop. I kept looking at it for two days and it was still unregistered. I finally regged it and within a year every spammer in the world was using the term for their emails. The Overture rating with the .com attached went through the roof. I finally sold the domain for thousands. Also made thousands off the new unexpected traffic.

Conventional wisdom at the time said worthless. The market changed and a worthless domain became extremely valuable. That is not to say the NN domains are not valuable now. I just think they are vastly underated and the market value paid should be much much higher.

Frankly I've seen this effect over and over with domains I've registered. Unwanted orphans at the time becoming the "bells of the ball"

Originally Posted by hugegrowth

We are still talking about two valuable types of domains though, I'd love to own either type.

Agreed

**Jacksplat** · 01-06-2008, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by DropWizard.com

Example. Around 2000-2001 G e n e r i c V i - g r a .com dropped. It was unregistered after the drop. I kept looking at it for two days and it was still unregistered. I finally regged it and within a year every spammer in the world was using the term for their emails. The Overture rating with the .com attached went through the roof. I finally sold the domain for thousands. Also made thousands off the new unexpected traffic.

2000 was a long long time ago.

nn.anyTLD will never shadow LL.anyTLD (generically speaking) I cant think of any 2 number with such significance like many of th 3 numbers out there like 411,911,555,011, etc, etc, etc... when i see 50 i can only think of age...99 makes me think of agent 99 from Get Smart fame, 01 brings up that car from the Dukes of Hazard.

I'm interested in a scenario of using a 2 number .ca, even a .com as a site where the name has significance in relation to its purpose. I mean something with interest and not so limiting as someones age or a popular character from some show in the 70's.

Don't get me wrong, I'll happily pay 2k for any insignificant 2num without a thought. But only for holding purposes. They are up to a ten year holding plan at my end. 2letters, I'll pay 2k minimum and if the letters are significant or have nice letters I'd go up large and without a fight.

Without a doubt any 2 letter .anything can be used for a crapload of potential buyers. I'll bet I can even dream up a decent biz name with the worst 2letter.

**NostraDomainus** · 01-06-2008, 12:39 PM

I prefer LL over NN for the 'Acronym Power' they have.

When I see a LL my brain starts to throw out possible meanings for what the LL could represent - with some word combos being more popular than others (TM.ca of course could be Trademark, The Man, The Masters, Tit Mouse (or is that 1 word?), Talk Money, or what-not) vs. 55.ca = What? 55, an age demographic, a score, weight, height, distance - What?

Either, or, I wouldn't kick a NN out of my portfolio for leaving crumbs ;-)

Best Success in All your Endeavours in 2008!

**DropWizard.com** · 01-06-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by NostraDomainus

I prefer LL over NN for the 'Acronym Power' they have.

When I see a LL my brain starts to throw out possible meanings for what the LL could represent - with some word combos being more popular than others (TM.ca of course could be Trademark, The Man, The Masters, Tit Mouse (or is that 1 word?), Talk Money, or what-not) vs. 55.ca = What? 55, an age demographic, a score, weight, height, distance - What?

Either, or, I wouldn't kick a NN out of my portfolio for leaving crumbs ;-)

Best Success in All your Endeavours in 2008!

Try Freedom 55 a huge London Life retirement campaign that ran for years. Some of you younger people probably didn't hear it but it will resonate with the over 50 crowd.

**liberator** · 01-06-2008, 02:51 PM

when I see 50 I think of the beer lol... I would take a LL over a NN though.

**Beaker** · 01-06-2008, 02:56 PM

I hold both NN.ca and LL.ca cause I think they both represent excellent long term investments. I'd have to go with conventional wisdom though and say that the best LL.ca are worth more. A few NN.ca like 11, 18, 22, 51, 65, 69, 88, 99 are worth substantial amounts though (your own mileage may vary on the choices), but we shouldn't forget that some really great LL.ca are words (or darn near) in their own right... md.ca cv.ca pm.ca dr.ca pr.ca ad.ca me.ca im.ca eh.ca go.ca be.ca re.ca to.ca hi.ca etc. We'll soon know what CV.ca and IM.ca will be worth (I believe they're in the upcoming snapnames live auction this month), and next week will tell us what a double letter LL is worth. Can't wait to see! I think it'll be awhile before we see a public NN.ca sale crack the 10k mark, but we might just see some public mid $xx,xxx sales for LL.ca within the next couple years (I'm aware of several private deals into $xx,xxx so far and one six figure)

The one thing I will say about numbers is that they're actually more useful as "pure generics" though... while qz.ca or any random LL could be used for anything, people will always try and associate it to an acronym (even if there isn't any), whereas they might find a random 2-digit number (say 36.ca) easier to remember because there's fewer of them? I also think numbers will become more important on mobile devices too (where short names are at a particular premium), so that should boost NN.ca values down the road.

While LL.ca will likely stay more valuable, I think given the extra demand for them might mean that NN.ca today offer a better bang for your buck. In the domain game it's not about highest price, but the best value.

I should add that I concur with dropwizard about changing "conventional wisdom". LL.ca have been desirable in TBR as long as I can remember, but NN.ca often had little or no interest. I can also remember years ago when checking the whois that a few NN.ca were left and I never took em for reg fee (sigh)... I thought, if no one wants them for reg fee then they can't be worth much... alas, conventional wisdom does change.

**revolution1** · 01-06-2008, 03:27 PM

To me it seems obvious that on the whole ll.ca would have many more useful uses. I think that it would be hard to dispute that. I think that ll's for that reason and that reason alone hold more value. I think it should be interesting to see the value fetched for a few of them in this weeks drop. Side note.... just b/c they are being bid upon at sibername does not mean that they will catch the forsure or does it????

Thanks,
Christian.