atheist group?

[Fearless]

Originally Posted by Rocket2Uranus

With my loyalties so divided, how do I choose which group to belong to? And will I ever be truly accepted in either one without my motives being questioned?

We welcome you with open arms, my son.

[jasdon11]

I'm a fanatical athiest - I don't believe in it!

[sashas]

Hindu by birth, unwavering atheist later. I'm an agnostic today, leaning quite favorably towards atheism still.

The more I see the madness people can commit in the name of religion, the more confirmed I become of its obsoleteness.

So yes, I'm in.

[Fearless]

I read this in today's newspaper. "Only 3% to 9% of Americans report that they do not believe in God. Professor Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi's studies reveals that atheists are less authoritarian and suggestible than religious believers, less dogmatic, less prejudiced, more tolerant of others, law abiding, compassionate, conscientious, highly intelligent and well educated."

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by sashas

The more I see the madness people can commit in the name of religion, the more confirmed I become of its obsoleteness.

Uh huh huh... hey man, water kills more people per year than religion does. Someone should really do something about that.

Originally Posted by Fearless

I read this in today's newspaper. "Only 3% to 9% of Americans report that they do not believe in God. Professor Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi's studies reveals that atheists are less authoritarian and suggestible than religious believers, less dogmatic, less prejudiced, more tolerant of others, law abiding, compassionate, conscientious, highly intelligent and well educated."

I agree completely, empty space is a closet for all sorts of cool stuff. I'm law abiding, compassionate, and I still got room for a tennis racket and an old BB gun.

[Shaggy]

Originally Posted by Fearless

I read this in today's newspaper. "Only 3% to 9% of Americans report that they do not believe in God. Professor Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi's studies reveals that atheists are less authoritarian and suggestible than religious believers, less dogmatic, less prejudiced, more tolerant of others, law abiding, compassionate, conscientious, highly intelligent and well educated."

Well, we all know 99% of the wars that have happened are all due to religious beliefs. I am not athiest, I do believe there is a god, but wars and death over god is plan stupid!

I have a quick question about atheistism, what do you all believe will happen to you after you die? Nothing, just plan darkness?

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Shaggy

Well, we all know 99% of the wars that have happened are all due to religious beliefs.

The following wars were religious? Shaggy, no more Marvel comics for you.

World War I
World War II
Mongol Conquests
Russian Civil War
American Civil War
Napoleonic Wars
Korean War
Vietnam War
American Civil War
The American Revolution
Taiping Rebellion

[Fearless]

Originally Posted by Shaggy

I have a quick question about atheistism, what do you all believe will happen to you after you die? Nothing, just plan darkness?

What do you expect? Light?

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Fearless

What do you expect? Light?

Hey Fearless, if I plucked you out of your mother's womb right before the first cellular division, and whispered into your nonexistent left ear, "eventually you will be able to ride a bicycle", I doubt you would have believed me at the time.

Only a fool puts limits on "possibility". Mathematically speaking, think about the chain of events that had to occur to put you in front of your keyboard here and now. And I'm not just talking about the semen marathon we all placed first out of millions in, I'm talking about from the formation of the universe forward. Considering that, are you actually going to tell me what's probable, and what isn't?

[Fearless]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Hey Fearless, if I plucked you out of your mother's womb right before the first cellular division, and whispered into your nonexistent left ear, "eventually you will be able to ride a bicycle", I doubt you would have believed me at the time.

Only a fool puts limits on "possibility". Mathematically speaking, think about the chain of events that had to occur to put you in front of your keyboard here and now. And I'm not just talking about the semen marathon we all placed first out of millions in, I'm talking about from the formation of the universe forward. Considering that, are you actually going to tell me what's probable, and what isn't?

What do you expect? Light?

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Fearless

What do you expect? Light?

Light? How about open eyes for today, and an open mind for tomorrow.

[sashas]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Uh huh huh... hey man, water kills more people per year than religion does. Someone should really do something about that.

hey man, death by water, disease, even Florida alligators is NATURAL. Thats the way it was meant to be. Death through war is NOT. Atom bombs and dynamite don't exist in nature, water, disease, and alligators do.

And btw, World War II did have a HUGE religious basis. Why do you think the holocaust happened?
Even the Vietnam war had a religious basis...as democratic people, we didn't like Godless communism. So we wage wars...

Moving on..

To me, being a complete, absolute atheist is just as bad as being a religious fundamentalist. I used to be that kind, but I realized thats being just plain stupid. Its better to leave all options open.

We still know less than 10% about the workings and capabilities of the human brain. Unless we know about the rest 90%, its stupid to rule out ANY possibility (yes, even ghosts and tooth fairies). As I said, I'm an agnostic, not an atheist, because I know that there are certain questions that cannot be answered, yet, without resorting to a higher power hypothesis. But I don't believe that even if there is a higher power, he has any influence on me, you or anyone else. I'm responsible for my own actions, not some higher power.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by sashas

And btw, World War II did have a HUGE religious basis. Why do you think the holocaust happened?
Even the Vietnam war had a religious basis...as democratic people, we didn't like Godless communism. So we wage wars...

Are you kidding me man? The Holocaust was a secret for a large part of World War II, why else were the Germans hiding evidence of the atrocities up until days before surrendering? I live in Poland, I've been to Oświęcim several times, and I've seen the German bombed gas chambers at Birkenau. The Holocaust was NOT the basis for World War II, but one chapter of the wide scale death and destruction that the conflict caused. There were Poles 3 miles away from various death camps that didn't even know the atrocities were being committed. These facts are well documented.

Vietnam was also a religious conflict? That's just plain ridiculous.

Sashas, if you're so desperate to link religion with war, why don't we talk about the Crusades, or explore what the Teutonic Knights did while in Poland. After we walk through various religious conflicts throughout history the world over, we can compare casualty figures for both religious and non religious wars. Trust me, the results are pretty staggering.

[Rocket2Uranus]

Originally Posted by sashas

hey man, death by water, disease, even Florida alligators is NATURAL.

I have it on good authority that in almost all cases, atheist alligators are vegetarians.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Rocket2Uranus

I have it on good authority that in almost all cases, atheist alligators are vegetarians.

[MacyT.]

Originally Posted by Fearless

I read this in today's newspaper. "Only 3% to 9% of Americans report that they do not believe in God. Professor Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi's studies reveals that atheists are less authoritarian and suggestible than religious believers, less dogmatic, less prejudiced, more tolerant of others, law abiding, compassionate, conscientious, highly intelligent and well educated."

This is actually a huge controversy among the 'new atheists' like Richard Dawkins who some think pushes atheism like it were a cult. On the other end, there have been polls showing that a larger percentage of leading scientists do actually adhere to a religious faith, than not. Surprisingly, they are able to separate their faith from their science.

I think it just further proves - 'nobody knows anything'.

[Shaggy]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

The following wars were religious? Shaggy, no more Marvel comics for you.

World War I
World War II
Mongol Conquests
Russian Civil War
American Civil War
Napoleonic Wars
Korean War
Vietnam War
American Civil War
The American Revolution
Taiping Rebellion

Those are the 1%

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Shaggy

Those are the 1%

Sorry, didn't know we were also counting bar fights.

[Shaggy]

Alot of beer lovers are religious about what beer they drink, so true, bar fights are started religiously

Originally Posted by Fearless

What do you expect? Light?

Lol, did I ask what I thought? I asked what you thought

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Shaggy

Alot of beer lovers are religious about what beer they drink, so true, bar fights are started religiously

In the backwoods of Oregon there are only two religions, Ford and Chevy. Ultra tight pants fits into that some how as well.