are domainers fueling the dotasia auctions?

[Master Chief]

here is a list of the top 10 dotasia auctions

sex.asia $79,888
sexshop.asia $53,607
sushi.asia $22,500
cooking.asia $21,500
ace.asia $20,501
water.asia $19,388
promotion.asia $17,100
outdoor.asia $15,500
arts.asia $15,500
sales.asia $13,500

are domainers fueling the dotasia auctions?

the more a domainer pays for a keyword dotasia, the less the potential profit margin when attempting to flip the domain..

or do you think there are actual end users participating?

looks like all of the top dotasia auctions are english keywords.. hmm..

[sdsinc]

sushi.asia hmmmm

I wouldn't be surprised to see a remake of the mobi frenzy with premium keywords being bought up by speculators while the end users limit themselves to defensive registrations on their name(s).
IMHO the prices are very high and flipping looks next to impossible right now.

[Rockefeller]

I'm sure its all domainers

[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by Rockefeller

I'm sure its all domainers

with the high prices that keywords are going for, the resellers had better have a solid game plan in regard to flipping (profiting from) their domains.. a lot of money is being spent of pure speculation on this point

[Warrior]

Adding new TLD's has turned into a very profitable business, fueled by domainers/speculators.

[mulligan]

idiotdomainers.asia ..

Domainers have such short memories (Read: Goldfish .. or flowers [dot] mobi)
When you see the LLLLLLNNCC.org guys pumping and dumping their 'million dollar' domains run like your life depended on it .. because it will only EVER have value being flipped on this or other domain forums.

You have a few bucks to play with?
1. Lobby ICANN with your own extension (.idiot is sure to do a BIG turnover)
Oh .. those conferences they hold to decide whether your '.idiot' extension is even viable cost a shit load!
2. Play with the few bucks you have .. because you will soon be dead and ....... .idiot will be dead as well
3. Don't know what 'tongue in cheek means'? then don't read past here:
Invest in .IDN for chrissake!

[DNWizardX9]

english keywords . asia

when will domainers ever learn

[Warrior]

Keep in mind that English is widely used in many Asian countries, India, Pakistan, Singapore, Malaysia, Sri lanka, The Philippines, Thailand, Hong Kong and a few others. Some countries teach English in the Schools.

I'm NO investor of continent TLD's, that includes .asia.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Warrior

Keep in mind that English is widely used in many Asian countries, India, Pakistan, Singapore, Malaysia, Sri lanka, The Philippines, Thailand, Hong Kong and a few others. Some countries teach English in the Schools.

I'm NO investor of continent TLD's, that includes .asia.

Indeed .. but would you rather own the 'English Keyword.ccTLD' or the 'Native Language Keyword.ccTLD' .. ?
Taking into consideration most of Asia does not speak American .. err ... I mean English?
Any stats on China BTW?

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Indeed .. but would you rather own the 'English Keyword.ccTLD' or the 'Native Language Keyword.ccTLD' .. ?

That would depend on the Country. Asian countries formerly under British or American rule will likely use English Keyword.ccTLD. I think continent TLD's are far different than Country Code TLD's in the way they would be used.

Originally Posted by mulligan

Taking into consideration most of Asia does not speak American .. err ... I mean English? Any stats on China BTW?

Here's an article I think you would be interested in;

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HI15Df01.html

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by Warrior

That would depend on the Country. Asian countries formerly under British or American rule will likely use English Keyword.ccTLD. I think continent TLD's are far different than Country Code TLD's in the way they would be used.



Here's an article I think you would be interested in;

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HI15Df01.html

Warrior its good to do research before you make blanket statements... Check international ovt for "english words".... JP Ovt etc do not show high search levels for such words...They do however show high results for Japanese words....

same with Hong Kong, Taiwan ovt.... (results are a year old if you can get ovt to load)

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Warrior

That would depend on the Country. Asian countries formerly under British or American rule will likely use English Keyword.ccTLD. I think continent TLD's are far different than Country Code TLD's in the way they would be used.

I beg to differ .. As you say ... "formerly" .. that is no longer the case .. If you are under the impression that 'colonial rule' is still the 'standard' then you are mistaken



Here's an article I think you would be interested in;

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HI15Df01.html[/QUOTE]

Interesting, but I will reserve judgment on that for now

[seanboy]

Originally Posted by mulligan

idiotdomainers.asia ..

Domainers have such short memories (Read: Goldfish .. or flowers [dot] mobi)
When you see the LLLLLLNNCC.org guys pumping and dumping their 'million dollar' domains run like your life depended on it .. because it will only EVER have value being flipped on this or other domain forums.

You have a few bucks to play with?
1. Lobby ICANN with your own extension (.idiot is sure to do a BIG turnover)
Oh .. those conferences they hold to decide whether your '.idiot' extension is even viable cost a shit load!
2. Play with the few bucks you have .. because you will soon be dead and ....... .idiot will be dead as well
3. Don't know what 'tongue in cheek means'? then don't read past here:
Invest in .IDN for chrissake!

What is the Goldfish reference about? Sorry if this has been discussed before.

[Warrior]

I did not factor in Overture results and did not mention Japanese. I was merely responding to how prevelant English is used in many Asian countries. I acknowledge the heavy use of 'Native Language Keyword.ccTLD', but dont think the same will apply to 'Native Language Keyword.Asia because the TLD is not that of a specific country.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I dont see Thailander's entering fuut.asia as opposed to food.asia.

fuut.asia is available BTW.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Warrior

I did not factor in Overture results and did not mention Japanese. I was merely responding to how prevelant English is used in many Asian countries. I acknowledge the heavy use of 'Native Language Keyword.ccTLD', but dont think the same will apply to 'Native Language Keyword.Asia because the TLD is not that of a specific country.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I dont see Thailander's entering fuut.asia as opposed to food.asia.

fuut.asia is available BTW.

Herein lies a few problems:

1: People from Asia do not regard themselves as 'Asian' .. as it were .. they are Chinese, Malaysian, Vietnamese etc way before they are 'Asian'

2: IF .asia was going to be a success then Thais are unlikely to be looking for fuut.asia .. more likely to be looking for อาหาร.asia (Sp?) .. would you agree?

3: English is prevalent insofar that you are likely to only see anything written about Asia in English (Unless you speak / are fluent in languages other than English) .. this does not represent the language that Asians are speaking / use or communicate in for business / everyday life etc .. be it in 'real life' or on the 'interweb'

4: 'Asians' have been forced to use ASCII domain names since the 'beginning of time' .. as it were.. because the 'godfathers' of the internet did not figure 'Asians' or people who use non-ASCII characters in their language into the equation .. thereby locking out the majority of humanity.
Fortunately this is changing

[robmac]

its all fuel - but the same could be said for LLL.coms or LLLL.com's

domainers make the market and break the market.

I hope .asia makes it as it will shut some of the anti ( anything that does not end with .com ) brigade

[Master Chief]

here is some food for thought.. I was watching the scrolling ending and ended auctions on dotasia.pool.com and several of the english keyword dot asia's are available in the .jp (japan) extension

isn't that scary for those investing thousands in english dot asia domains..

[Poker]

Originally Posted by robmac

its all fuel - but the same could be said for LLL.coms or LLLL.com's
domainers make the market and break the market.

Domainers do not make the market for LLL .com's. While it's true that domainers add a lot of liquidity to the market for these domains, the fact remains that they are in short supply due to limited numbers and that increases their demand. If an end user wants to buy one from a domainer or from a previous owner, they are going to pay market rates due to scarcity (unless they get lucky). The same could be said for generic product/service .com's. It could also possibly be said in the future for some gem .asia's, but not yet, and there is no guarantee. That is a big difference.

[sdsinc]

sushi.asia $22,500

Stereotypes anyone ?

In Japanese cuisine, sushi (寿司, 鮨, 鮓?) is vinegared rice, usually topped with other ingredients, including fish (cooked or uncooked) and vegetables. Outside of Japan, sushi is sometimes misunderstood to mean the raw fish by itself, or even any fresh raw-seafood dishes.[1] In Japan, sliced raw fish alone is called sashimi and is distinct from sushi, as sashimi is the raw fish component, not the rice component. The word sushi itself comes from an outdated grammatical form of a word that is no longer used in other contexts; literally, sushi means "it's sour."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushi

[robmac]

Originally Posted by Poker

Domainers do not make the market for LLL .com's. While it's true that domainers add a lot of liquidity to the market for these domains, the fact remains that they are in short supply due to limited numbers and that increases their demand. If an end user wants to buy one from a domainer or from a previous owner, they are going to pay market rates due to scarcity (unless they get lucky). The same could be said for generic product/service .com's. It could also possibly be said in the future for some gem .asia's, but not yet, and there is no guarantee. That is a big difference.

okay they dont make the market for LLL.coms's but do make the markey for a lot of movement for extensions - dont jump on me before you made a comment on all my post - LLLL.coms, biggest emporers new clothes i have witnessed.

I am amazed now that the asia threads have now been woke up now - could it be that there is real competition in the landrush auctions and the prices are very nice indeed - congrats to everyone that managed to snap up some domains previous to the multiple landrush auctions - bet theres a few sad faces that choose not to jump on the bandwagon

Originally Posted by Master Chief

here is some food for thought.. I was watching the scrolling ending and ended auctions on dotasia.pool.com and several of the english keyword dot asia's are available in the .jp (japan) extension

isn't that scary for those investing thousands in english dot asia domains..

Master Chef: you are spot on. i have noticed a number that have not been registered by a few asian contries - problem is that peoples are piling in thinking its the next gold rush - i have snapped a few names in the auction but only $10 - $50 each -