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**DNBA** · 10-20-2009, 06:28 PM

I was in an auction for a domain in the auction section. I ended up being the second to last bidder and was outbid by $10. It seems as if the last person didn't end up taking the domain. So the seller contacted me with 2 emails. one asking for the last bided price then the next day for my asking price.

I replied back as soon as i read the emails and said yes ill take it. 2 days later he replies with an email asking for twice as much and says that since i didn't win the auction that we don't have a deal. Wouldn't I have the right to leave negative feedback for backing out of the deal. Granted i May have not won the auction by being the last bidder but he did reach out to sell me the name.

Im asking what you think i should do?

a. Leave him - feedback to set him straight on how we do business here?

or

b. Let him off the hook cause he's a platinum member thats new to the forum?

**JuniperPark** · 10-20-2009, 06:32 PM

A.

That's crappy behavior now matter how new you are.

**Doc Com** · 10-20-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DNBA

b. Let him off the hook cause he's a platinum member thats new to the forum?

Name and shame.

Newness has nothing to do with honor and integrity. As a matter of fact, that should be what a new person would attempt to achieve here - honor and integrity.

**lotk.com** · 10-20-2009, 07:16 PM

I've dealt with the same crap many times but never left negative itrader. I just keep track of the people so that I will never do business with them again.

**JuniperPark** · 10-20-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lotk.com

I've dealt with the same crap many times but never left negative itrader. I just keep track of the people so that I will never do business with them again.

The problem with that is the bad guys get to keep being bad guys, which hurts the 'good guys' because they get lumped into him.

This is a 'community', and there is give and take. One of the things you GIVE to the community is information about the bad guys.

If you are here reading where WE are warning people about bad players, yet not doing likewise with us, then you are just "taking" from the community without giving.... and that's not a very moral or ethical thing to do.

**Domainator** · 10-20-2009, 07:26 PM

a. for sure --- Name and SHAME.... help the next sucker from becoming one

I just had an incident with another "exclusive" member, who kept my money and never delivered the domain. You can bet I named and shamed after giving repeated chance of reclaimation, so dont waste your time. Count yourself lucky on this one--at least you still have your cash after running into trash.

**stewie** · 10-20-2009, 07:32 PM

If the person emailed you and you made a deal...post it...

give details and facts and leave it to the jury to decide,

get the rope and let's pick out a tree

just in case

demaxxus · 10-20-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stewie

If the person emailed you and you made a deal...post it...

I think this is the key point. If they hadn't contacted you and said you could have it for your last bid the situation may be different, but as soon as they offered it to you and you said yes, that's just as good as winning the original auction as far as I'm concerned.

**JuniperPark** · 10-20-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by demaxxus

I think this is the key point. If they hadn't contacted you and said you could have it for your last bid the situation may be different, but as soon as they offered it to you and you said yes, that's just as good as winning the original auction as far as I'm concerned.

You mean the last bid had the deadbeat NEVER been in the auction. That may be hard to figure out... your way just lets some anonymous asshole run the price up without consequence... and that makes people unwilling to participate in the auctions.

**Acro** · 10-20-2009, 09:10 PM

I was bored, so I searched for it.
http://www.dnforum.com/f556/dissed-n...ad-390474.html

demaxxus · 10-20-2009, 09:16 PM

Juniper, I'm not sure if I follow.

All I'm saying is that if someone wins an auction and then backs out for whatever (lame) reason, and the seller offers it to the 2nd highest bidder at their last bid (and the bidder agrees), that's just as good as them winning the auction in the first place, in terms of the buy/sell commitment.

Hmm, actually, I think I see what you're saying now. You're saying that the actual seller and the non-claiming winning bidder may be working together, running the price up so that the seller can offer it to the 2nd last bidder after the 'winner' conveniently withdrawals.

I was moreso thinking about the validity of the agreement if both the seller and the 2nd highest bidder work things out through email (ie. the seller agrees to sell it for the 2nd highest bidder's last bid), but you make a damn good point.

Should the auction be null and void in a case like this and just re-auctioned then?

**rmnarmenta** · 10-20-2009, 09:47 PM

Sounds like the seller committed to a deal, then decided to bump the price and legitimize it by saying there was no deal.

shame on him..

**Doc Com** · 10-20-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stewie

If the person emailed you and you made a deal...post it...

that was my next point to make - have some proof of the claim and post it, should one decide to name and shame.

**DNBA** · 10-20-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Acro

I was bored, so I searched for it.
http://www.dnforum.com/f556/dissed-n...ad-390474.html

Acro i was going to give the user a chance you prove himself. Well looks like the cat is out of the bag. lol

Well i emailed the seller to follow the thread to see what you guys think. I thank you for all of your responses.

The 2 prior emails were from him say would you buy dissed.net for $xxx then the next day it was $xxx (stupid me deleted them due to a full box not realizing it was going to go this far)

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Originally Posted by Th0mAs_

In Reply to your Post 1796986:

are you still interested in buying dissed.net

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Originally Posted by DNBA

yeah ill take it

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Originally Posted by DNBA

are we still doing this transfer?

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Originally Posted by DNBA

In Reply to your Post Dissed.net - Celebrity gossip blog for sale - Year old blog:

please let me know whats going on with this domain. i dont want to have to leave you bad iTrader info

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Originally Posted by Th0mAs_

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Originally Posted by DNBA

In Reply to your Post Dissed.net - Celebrity gossip blog for sale - Year old blog:

please let me know whats going on with this domain. i dont want to have to leave you bad iTrader info

what bed itrader info

you didint win the auction .... the price is xxx$

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Originally Posted by DNBA

you sent me two emails an offer for $xxx and one for $xxx. You are new here and may not realize that playing games like this will result in bad iTrader info on your account. When the person who didnt win the 48 hour auction denied paying you im next in line and you were willing to sell to me. Not once but twice.

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Originally Posted by DNBA

sorry my box was full

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Originally Posted by Th0mAs_

1. the auction was closed
2. you didnt win

so dont try to push me and make tricks

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Originally Posted by DNBA

Whos playing tricks? You sent me 2 emails with two different price offers 1 for $xxx and the next day for $xxx. Youre the one playing games.

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Originally Posted by DNBA

Here you can follow this thread and see what other users say. I have not mentioned your name or the domain in question to give you a chance to see where other users are coming from.

http://www.dnforum.com/f557/would-us...ml#post1801793

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc Com

that was my next point to make - have some proof of the claim and post it, should one decide to name and shame.

Also i was going to let the seller redeem himself before acro posted the thread. (not cool BTW acro)

**gilescoley** · 10-24-2009, 10:27 AM

I really think the seller should honor the agreement, its the right thing to do buddy.

**24HourDomainer** · 10-24-2009, 11:50 AM

Give the sucker a negative i trader to learn his lesson. If he does this once, his going to do it twice! Stop it while you can!

**HomerJ** · 10-24-2009, 12:25 PM

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Hmm, actually, I think I see what you're saying now. You're saying that the actual seller and the non-claiming winning bidder may be working together, running the price up so that the seller can offer it to the 2nd last bidder after the 'winner' conveniently withdrawals.

i dont think this is the case. if it was the seller would have definitely completed the sale, not try to jack it up after the auction and risk losing the scam.

there would have to be solid conclusive evidence as well, but let me also add for anyone who's cunning wheels are now turning, that this kind of action would get you unequivocally banned for life from DNF, i'm confident. and I know many of our members have a real penchant for turning up every stone to expose dirty cockroaches

**biggedon** · 10-24-2009, 01:19 PM

the real issue is

why did the original winner of the domain back out?

why weren't they exposed as such?

could the buyer who backed out be a shill bidder?

did the seller give the original buyer a negative rating?

imo...

**tekz999** · 10-24-2009, 09:25 PM

So... what's the decision?

**PokerPie** · 10-24-2009, 10:15 PM

def leave a negative itrader. I don't think people leave these liberally enough - and its a shame because if they did people would be warned and not do business with shady characters - and hopefully in time, people would stop being shady

10-20-2009, 06:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
DNBA Platinum Lifetime Member Name: shahram Last Online: Today 01:47 AM iTrader: (8) Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 501 DNF$: 0 Location: los angeles Country:	would this user deserve negative iTrader feedback. I was in an auction for a domain in the auction section. I ended up being the second to last bidder and was outbid by $10. It seems as if the last person didn't end up taking the domain. So the seller contacted me with 2 emails. one asking for the last bided price then the next day for my asking price. I replied back as soon as i read the emails and said yes ill take it. 2 days later he replies with an email asking for twice as much and says that since i didn't win the auction that we don't have a deal. Wouldn't I have the right to leave negative feedback for backing out of the deal. Granted i May have not won the auction by being the last bidder but he did reach out to sell me the name. Im asking what you think i should do? a. Leave him - feedback to set him straight on how we do business here? or b. Let him off the hook cause he's a platinum member thats new to the forum? __________________ Now Selling: KPH.com, Tag.Us, Podcasts.net, LaCantina.com, IronKettle.com, pixd.com, OilDriller.com, ExhibitPrints.com Sign up for more info on becoming a licensed Domain Name Broker DNBA.org

10-20-2009, 06:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
JuniperPark Last Online: 11-20-2009 08:56 PM iTrader: (86) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,478 DNF$: 3,134 Location: San Diego, CA Country:	A. That's crappy behavior now matter how new you are. __________________ *The only domain reseller BRAVE* enough to post prices: TheNameStore.com** ][

10-20-2009, 07:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
lotk.com DNF Member Name: Brock N Last Online: Yesterday 07:19 PM iTrader: (128) Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,339 DNF$: 608 Location: IL	I've dealt with the same crap many times but never left negative itrader. I just keep track of the people so that I will never do business with them again. __________________ Geektronics.com

10-20-2009, 07:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
Domainator DotAgent Last Online: Yesterday 12:22 AM iTrader: (27) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 991 DNF$: 6,554 Country:	a. for sure --- Name and SHAME.... help the next sucker from becoming one I just had an incident with another "exclusive" member, who kept my money and never delivered the domain. You can bet I named and shamed after giving repeated chance of reclaimation, so dont waste your time. Count yourself lucky on this one--at least you still have your cash after running into trash. __________________ DOMAINator

10-20-2009, 07:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
stewie DNF Member Last Online: Yesterday 06:50 PM iTrader: (46) Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,112 DNF$: 17 Location: Canada Country:	If the person emailed you and you made a deal...post it... give details and facts and leave it to the jury to decide, get the rope and let's pick out a tree just in case __________________ . . . Buying LLL.ca & LLLL.com /generic domains, pm w/pricing...thx Last edited by stewie; 10-20-2009 at 07:36 PM..

10-20-2009, 09:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
Acro Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 08:07 PM iTrader: (394) Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 23,903 DNF$: 4,071 Location: USA Country:	I was bored, so I searched for it. http://www.dnforum.com/f556/dissed-n...ad-390474.html __________________ DomainGang.com - Domainers' Most Awesome News Source Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog My Countdown Counting down to: Snapnames rebate hitting my mailbox 80 days 17 hours 59 minutes

10-20-2009, 09:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
demaxxus Last Online: Today 01:51 AM iTrader: (8) Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 159 DNF$: 1,034	Juniper, I'm not sure if I follow. All I'm saying is that if someone wins an auction and then backs out for whatever (lame) reason, and the seller offers it to the 2nd highest bidder at their last bid (and the bidder agrees), that's just as good as them winning the auction in the first place, in terms of the buy/sell commitment. Hmm, actually, I think I see what you're saying now. You're saying that the actual seller and the non-claiming winning bidder may be working together, running the price up so that the seller can offer it to the 2nd last bidder after the 'winner' conveniently withdrawals. I was moreso thinking about the validity of the agreement if both the seller and the 2nd highest bidder work things out through email (ie. the seller agrees to sell it for the 2nd highest bidder's last bid), but you make a damn good point. Should the auction be null and void in a case like this and just re-auctioned then? Last edited by demaxxus; 10-20-2009 at 09:20 PM..

10-20-2009, 09:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
rmnarmenta Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: Yesterday 05:17 PM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 251 DNF$: 4,500 Location: honolulu Country:	Sounds like the seller committed to a deal, then decided to bump the price and legitimize it by saying there was no deal. shame on him.. __________________ TripleScore27.com - ɨdn.com - ἰ.net - ΰ.net - Ⴝ.com - Ꮲ.net - ୨.com - ʁ.net - OfficialHybrids.com

10-24-2009, 10:27 AM	#15 (permalink)
gilescoley Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: Today 03:53 AM iTrader: (0) Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 37 DNF$: 380 Location: Perth	I really think the seller should honor the agreement, its the right thing to do buddy. __________________ Golf.ae - Clubs.ae - Weather.ae - Pets.ae - Pizza.ae - Flights.ae - Resorts.ae - Cosmetics.ae - Clothing.ae - Wealth.ae - Medicine.ae - Silver.ae - Dining.ae - DubaiJobs.ae - Fitness.ae

10-24-2009, 11:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
24HourDomainer Failure Is Not An Option! Last Online: Today 03:22 AM iTrader: (40) Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,395 DNF$: 1,923	Give the sucker a negative i trader to learn his lesson. If he does this once, his going to do it twice! Stop it while you can! __________________ Buy and Sell Domains 2010 Top 10 Web Hosts \| Best Web Hosting \| Cheap Web Hosting Plans Discount Domain Club

10-24-2009, 01:19 PM	#18 (permalink)
biggedon iSpoof.com Last Online: Yesterday 06:12 PM iTrader: (112) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,999 DNF$: 51,473 Location: 96.net	the real issue is why did the original winner of the domain back out? why weren't they exposed as such? could the buyer who backed out be a shill bidder? did the seller give the original buyer a negative rating? imo... __________________ worldiptv.com * svc.net * belisted.com * mobi.us.com * sop.net * qfm.net * upyo.com * vioz.com * Need A SedoPro Account PM Me

10-24-2009, 09:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
tekz999 41 LLL.nets For $35k! Last Online: Yesterday 09:11 PM iTrader: (318) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,198 DNF$: 18,526 Location: Hong Kong Country:	So... what's the decision? __________________ ★★★ OQD.com+ CQY.net+ AIN.biz+ Package / Single Fire Sale ★★★

10-24-2009, 10:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
PokerPie Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: Today 05:53 AM iTrader: (15) Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 451 DNF$: 20	def leave a negative itrader. I don't think people leave these liberally enough - and its a shame because if they did people would be warned and not do business with shady characters - and hopefully in time, people would stop being shady __________________ Buying domains with traffic and revenue. Also buying quality .com poker domains.

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