Domain Name Arbitrage

[stewmath]

It sounds good but unfortunatly $2000 is well $2000 more than i have.

Would like to hear any testimonials though

[WebsiteTraders.Com]

would be interesting to have an opinion of a veteran in this field. " Will "who runs http://ppc-coach.com a $50 monthly subscription coaching, is an old member of wickedfire and respected by old members at wickedfire. I have attended his program for a month and he has been an honest guy. I would like to see anyone seeking to join this program, atleast have a word with Will first.

[bwhhisc]

I notice they have broken the program information release over 12 weeks, so appears that you don't get to see "all" of the information in the course until it is doled out over the 3 month period.

[rh287]

Well I thought domain arbitrage was not allowed with almost all parking companies. I do know I did it once. I make a killing in that one month from one domain that was perfect for domain arbitrage.

(The trick is that the DOMAIN has to be great for domain arbitrage to really make killer profits like I did that one time. So really only a small percentage of domains will make you domain arbitrage profits, and an even SMALLER percentage of domains will make you killer profits. Trust me I figured that out the hard way). But the parking company caught on the first month and emailed me and said they were not going to pay the revenue from that month for that specific domain. I had no idea it was against their TOS. I thought I was going to have to pay a huge aWord bill and not get my arbitrage profits. But in the end the company did pay me for that one time with a warning I would get banned if I ever did it again. I guess they decided to pay because I'm sure they made more money than me and I threatened to notify Google what had happened and I'm sure that parking company would then have to pay back all the revenue and Google refund to their advertisers. At any rate it will get you banned from most parking companies from my experience.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Because I'd love to do it again if allowed. I remember even Parked banned arbitrage about a year ago.

READ BELOW IMPORTANT!

So whatever scheme they have going on here, IMHO, will only work if you have the right domains to arbitrage with in the first place. And in today's market that is a very small percentage of good domains to arbitrage with. At least from my experience.

Bottom line, I don't think you'll ever get your "Guarranteed" money back plus $500.00. Simply does not ad up!

[WebsiteTraders.Com]

rh,
This a different type of arbitrage game here........pay 2k n get 50k to 100k a month...........any review from the people who joined?

[copper]

FARHAN is correct.
This is NOT domain arbitrage.
This is CPA arbitrage.
CPA = Cost per action.

[jasdon11]

I must be getting about 20 emails a day from different people promoting arb-conspiracy.

Anyone pushing so hard to sell $100k a day secrets for $2k a pop, would have to be mental. Like selling dollars for cents.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by jasdon11

I must be getting about 20 emails a day from different people promoting arb-conspiracy.

Anyone pushing so hard to sell $100k a day secrets for $2k a pop, would have to be mental. Like selling dollars for cents.

Nobody has come forward with any sold proof of those kind of numbers week in and week out for a sustained period of time. Even at HALF of the claim $50,000 a day is still $ 17,000,000+ dollars a year. Take out lets say... $2 million in annual travel and living expenses and someone should have a bonafide $15,000,000+ bank account or tax return as verified proof to show.

Guess we will see how it goes with those that have signed up for the program for the next 90 days. Good fortune to those taking the chance, and I sincerely hope it is 1% as good as it is hyped to be. That would still be....$ 180,000 to $365,000 a year in profits. I look forward to watching this thread over the next few months for some reports on results.

[Cashcows]

Originally Posted by ParkQuick.com

In a sense. It's a system for doing this on a very large scale after quickly finding niches where the money quickly doubles. I signed a non-disclosure agreement with the guys who developed the system, but there should be some more free content there in the next few days that will explain it a little better.

Taking the course myself right now. It's not for Domain Arbitrage, but if you develop the site or do it properly I am thinking it could be used that way. I have already come up with a way that I think will work. I actually got the idea two days before I joined the course.

[stewmath]

i personally think this is just going to be another hoped up guru thing so the guru can make more money and the buyer sadly makes a loss.

This is just like most other paid tutorials out there

will just have to see what cashcow says about it

[Cashcows]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Nobody has come forward with any sold proof of those kind of numbers week in and week out for a sustained period of time. Even at HALF of the claim $50,000 a day is still $ 17,000,000+ dollars a year. Take out lets say... $2 million in annual travel and living expenses and someone should have a bonafide $15,000,000+ bank account or tax return as verified proof to show.

Guess we will see how it goes with those that have signed up for the program for the next 90 days. Good fortune to those taking the chance, and I sincerely hope it is 1% as good as it is hyped to be. That would still be....$ 180,000 to $365,000 a year in profits. I look forward to watching this thread over the next few months for some reports on results.

I am a course Junky I also have a library of over 1000 books costing me over $40K I am sure... I have bought 3 of these $2K courses over the last year.

Altitude by Eben Pagan

Mass Control by Frank Kern

Product Launch Formula by Jeff Walker (studying it right now as I write this)

And now Arbitrage Conspiracy it starts in January based on the live course the Starter of this thread took for 2 days.

In fact I spend at least $2000 to $6000 on courses every year.

I am more than just a domainer. I am an internet marketer and an author. If the domain business go south who cares I can still make money online or off, becuase I don't have Tunnel vision. In fact from the knowledge I have learned from all of the courses. I could take ANY business that is not selling an obsolete product (such as Ice to Eskimos or buggy whips) and design a marketing plan that would increase their sales so if the internet disappeared tomorrow I'd go buy a suit print up some cards and become a marketing consultant and if they actually did what I suggest they would make money. But fortunately for me (becuase I don't like to work for other people) the internet is not going anywhere But my point is these courses I have taken allowed me to do this.

In fact my study of all of this is what has allowed me to take my adult traffic and convert it in great ratios. I am looking to Now convert my non-adult traffic using the Arbitrage Conspiracy technique as well as use the formula on it's own.

Are these courses and home study courses worth it?

Sometimes yes and some times no. The ones that turn out to be sales pitches such as anything from...Marlon Sanders, Joe Vitale (Although his copywriting course was very good and worth the $1500), I send back.

The Best courses for the money were the ones the Late Cory Rudl released, he gave so much for so little sad that he is no longer with us. But man did he give you value. What other people would charge $1500 for he charged $300!

I keep the ones that are good I have no problem paying money for information. Information is the most valuable commodity in existence.

We live a culture these days that jackasses that have never created anything of any value themselves think that anything digital or information based should be free. Yet they go out and spend money on Alcohol, Cigarettes, gamble, junk food and all kinds of crap than does them no good and actually harms them, but yeah quality life changing information should be free. Kids grow up expecting to download everything for free now. Not realizing the time, energy, research and money that goes into creating the books, courses etc. I tell you the hardest thing I have ever done is to write a book. I read 30 to write one. That's why you get a Phd when you write your thesis, becuase basically you are writing a book. but I digress and went on a rant.

But you do have to be careful not to over do it there is always a new course and I could spend every dime I make on them if I bought every one. For example Jay Abraham has great courses, but really he just repeats himself over and over, infact he gives you so much content that you NEVER need to go to another one of his courses again. Nor would I go to his $20K course to hear him basically repeat what I learned in the $2500 home study course and then buy all of his guest speakers courses as as well.

HERE IS A BIG TIP THAT I HAVE LEARNED "You have to STOP and apply what you have learned before you buy he next course or you are wasting you money."

But for me the courses have been worth it. I see threads on here that are so ridiculous and ignorant. People telling people not to buy a $47 ebook or $97 Ebook or a course, saying that it's rip off or scam.

(You skeptical guys just really don't get it. You don't make money by ripping people off. You make money by selling them a great product and then selling them more great products for the next ten years.)

These same people also say all you need to do is read the forums.

That's such a crock of S**T. Then those same people go out and buy lame names that will never sell, but refuse to pay for an ebook that might teach them something.

I am sorry but not this forum or any will tell you all you need to know. For one thing anyone with any sense is not going to post all of their secrets on the forum. And even if they did it would take you days just to find all of the posts and then determine what was good advise and what was not.

The biggest mistake a person can make is to go into something uninformed and uneducated. And any newbie should invest more money in learning than in buying domains. Learn then invest in domains. How many My-Crappy-Site.info names do you see people trying to sell on here. One $47 ebook and they would not have wasted their money on those worthless domains!

This is the same in anything your greatest investment should be in educating yourself.

Maybe your time is worth .01 an hour but I value mine $XXX+ so if I can buy and ebook or a course that will give me they exact same information that I can get for free all in one place condensed I'll pay $97 for it, so I have more time. And if I can find a course that will give me information that is not available for free I'll pay 20 times that as I have done over and over again. Besides it's all a tax write off.

For example I took mass control yet I have not done a big launch yet, but I did one of the techniques and make $1500 in 4 days which almost paid for the course. I then went to the live seminar and made a contact that I did a promotion with that made me about $10K over two months and built my list, credibility and authority up even more. Then from that contact I got another contact and from that I got an idea that I created a new sales process, which improved my conversion ratio on my book sales.

So my return on the investment of $2200 was what 500% in hard cash right away + intangibles that could not be bought, not too bad.

Last week sales of my books were slow due to the season and I got and Idea to do a promotion with another company and give my books away for free if they signed up. I made about $1800 in a day. I have another planned in a couple of days which I learned about at Mass control once again.

I just bought a (few weeks back) Product Launch Formula. Very similar to mass control, (I almost did not buy it becuase there is so much overlap, but I thought what the hell this guy makes $2,000,000 every time he does a launch I want to learn from him.), But in much greater detail. I am studying it right now for the launch of a new product I am working on, and the re-release of some old ones. I am sure it will more than pay off.

We will see about Arbitrage Conspiracy if it pays for itself for I'll be happy and I am sure it will do much more than that. Will I start making $100K a day, not sure about that, but $500 - $1000 a day I'd be happy with that for a $2K investment. Or even if I can just get ALL of my domains to pay for themselves and pull a profit I'll be thrilled. If not I'll get a refund. I have never been denied a refund yet from anyone and my credit card company would back me up anyway.

To answer the question why someone would give that formula away there are many reasons that I have personally experienced.

1. High Status as an expert your status goes up.
2. It feels good teaching people. Look there are thousands of teachers that make crap salaries teaching children why do they do it? They enjoy it so why would you find it hard to believe that someone would want to teach others how to make money. I enjoy it or I would not do it.
3. To give back. People know to give back or sometimes feel they should when they reach a certain level of success.
4. To make even more money while doing all of the above. $100K a day is nice, he just made about $2,000,000 in one day on that launch. That feels even better.

You say but what about the competition he is creating...

One, he is starting his own CPA network and will now have built in and trained affiliates.

Two, Most people will buy it take the course hardly even use it. Yet not ask for their money back becuase they know it's not the course that failed it's them. Most people are Too lazy, Do not feel worthy, or have such self-sabotaging beliefs and actions that you can literally give them a perfect formula and they will still screw it up and fail. (Next time you see someone smoking cigarettes, you are witnessing self-sabotage in action. People do the same thing financially as well.)

I know I have done it myself many times in spite of making close to $750K+ online (who knows maybe it's even a million, if you don't see it all at once you lose count.) I could have made ten times that much if I had gotten out of my way sooner. But I know one thing, without all of the courses I have taken I doubt I would have made a dime, most people that start businesses fail becuase of lack of knowledge and failing to plan and under capitalization.

[Focus]

I have made over <removed> dollars PROFIT online since I started domaining and the only thing I have really read is Dnforum......but you raise some great points, excellent post cashcows. Knowledge is priceless but personally I think this entire "course" is most likely information that is already available for free online, unless you don't mind paying for it wrapped nicely for the holidays.

[tonyfloyd]

@Cashcows.....AMEN!!!!....

"The Post of the Year!!!".......thanks!

[copper]

Cashcows...
Good points.
I am so called info junkies myself.

I would of taken this course as well if I had money for it.
However, I need every penny for my project as I am about
to start my product launch in short time.

[thevirtual]

Is this Domain Arbitrage?

The thread title and original post seem very confusing/misleading.

Originally Posted by NameCharger

Not so easy anymore with AdWords. Google has again tilted the tables in favor of the bigger companies and put the strangle hold on affiliate marketers.

We used to be able to insert affiliate links into browser meta http-refresh and/or use 301 redirects; throw ad spend at those URLs and make a killing.

Google started requiring ads to be labeled as affiliate links, eg: "Aff" in your ad copy (no big deal, this didn't seem to have any severe impact on conversions). Then Google dealt a more crucial blow - the display URL in your ads could only be that of the parent company and then the real crippling blow: only 1 link per parent company will show up in the search results.

Now if you want to advertise affiliate links with AdWords you need to create landing pages where the user has to click through to get to parent company (thus requiring 2 clicks to get to desired product/service -- how does this enhance the "user experience" Google ?!?). Then you face the frustrating challenge of getting a high enough quality score to not get hit with $10.00 minimum bids.

Is it true that Google doesn't allow Affiliate urls in Adwords? If this is true, an affiliate marketer would have to create Landing pages with content for each offer. This sounds very time and resource consuming. Also the fact that users will have to click through twice to get to the offer will probably cut revenue drastically.

[jasdon11]

Good post Cashcows.

I don't have any problem with courses in general - I've bought a few on different topics and have learned a lot from them - but arb-conspiracy does concern me. There are so many people pushing it, and all the videos I've seen about it so far, haven't shown me anything new.

I've also had notice about some of the claims made about the $10k Vegas conference; that most of the attendees weren't paying anything. If true, it makes me wonder what other claims have been embellished.

If you take this course, I really hope it 'does what it says on the tin', and from the sound of it, you have a better idea of what to expect than I do...but this one's not for me. It's been over-sold.

Another thing - how can I trust the judgement of someone who goes to such trouble for a product launch, and didn't even register CPAarbitrage.com?

[768768]

Great post, Cashcows!

Thx!

[SDX]

Originally Posted by cashcows

i am a course junky i also have a library of over 1000 books costing me over $40k i am sure... I have bought 3 of these $2k courses over the last year.

Altitude by eben pagan

mass control by frank kern

product launch formula by jeff walker (studying it right now as i write this)

and now arbitrage conspiracy it starts in january based on the live course the starter of this thread took for 2 days.

In fact i spend at least $2000 to $6000 on courses every year.

I am more than just a domainer. I am an internet marketer and an author. If the domain business go south who cares i can still make money online or off, becuase i don't have tunnel vision. In fact from the knowledge i have learned from all of the courses. I could take any business that is not selling an obsolete product (such as ice to eskimos or buggy whips) and design a marketing plan that would increase their sales so if the internet disappeared tomorrow i'd go buy a suit print up some cards and become a marketing consultant and if they actually did what i suggest they would make money. But fortunately for me (becuase i don't like to work for other people) the internet is not going anywhere but my point is these courses i have taken allowed me to do this.

In fact my study of all of this is what has allowed me to take my adult traffic and convert it in great ratios. I am looking to now convert my non-adult traffic using the arbitrage conspiracy technique as well as use the formula on it's own.

Are these courses and home study courses worth it?

Sometimes yes and some times no. The ones that turn out to be sales pitches such as anything from...marlon sanders, joe vitale (although his copywriting course was very good and worth the $1500), i send back.

The best courses for the money were the ones the late cory rudl released, he gave so much for so little sad that he is no longer with us. But man did he give you value. What other people would charge $1500 for he charged $300!

I keep the ones that are good i have no problem paying money for information. Information is the most valuable commodity in existence.

We live a culture these days that jackasses that have never created anything of any value themselves think that anything digital or information based should be free. Yet they go out and spend money on alcohol, cigarettes, gamble, junk food and all kinds of crap than does them no good and actually harms them, but yeah quality life changing information should be free. Kids grow up expecting to download everything for free now. Not realizing the time, energy, research and money that goes into creating the books, courses etc. I tell you the hardest thing i have ever done is to write a book. I read 30 to write one. That's why you get a phd when you write your thesis, becuase basically you are writing a book. But i digress and went on a rant.

But you do have to be careful not to over do it there is always a new course and i could spend every dime i make on them if i bought every one. For example jay abraham has great courses, but really he just repeats himself over and over, infact he gives you so much content that you never need to go to another one of his courses again. Nor would i go to his $20k course to hear him basically repeat what i learned in the $2500 home study course and then buy all of his guest speakers courses as as well.

Here is a big tip that i have learned "you have to stop and apply what you have learned before you buy he next course or you are wasting you money."

but for me the courses have been worth it. I see threads on here that are so ridiculous and ignorant. People telling people not to buy a $47 ebook or $97 ebook or a course, saying that it's rip off or scam.

(you skeptical guys just really don't get it. You don't make money by ripping people off. You make money by selling them a great product and then selling them more great products for the next ten years.)

these same people also say all you need to do is read the forums.

That's such a crock of s**t. Then those same people go out and buy lame names that will never sell, but refuse to pay for an ebook that might teach them something.

I am sorry but not this forum or any will tell you all you need to know. For one thing anyone with any sense is not going to post all of their secrets on the forum. And even if they did it would take you days just to find all of the posts and then determine what was good advise and what was not.

The biggest mistake a person can make is to go into something uninformed and uneducated. And any newbie should invest more money in learning than in buying domains. Learn then invest in domains. How many my-crappy-site.info names do you see people trying to sell on here. One $47 ebook and they would not have wasted their money on those worthless domains!

This is the same in anything your greatest investment should be in educating yourself.

Maybe your time is worth .01 an hour but i value mine $xxx+ so if i can buy and ebook or a course that will give me they exact same information that i can get for free all in one place condensed i'll pay $97 for it, so i have more time. And if i can find a course that will give me information that is not available for free i'll pay 20 times that as i have done over and over again. Besides it's all a tax write off.

For example i took mass control yet i have not done a big launch yet, but i did one of the techniques and make $1500 in 4 days which almost paid for the course. I then went to the live seminar and made a contact that i did a promotion with that made me about $10k over two months and built my list, credibility and authority up even more. Then from that contact i got another contact and from that i got an idea that i created a new sales process, which improved my conversion ratio on my book sales.

So my return on the investment of $2200 was what 500% in hard cash right away + intangibles that could not be bought, not too bad.

Last week sales of my books were slow due to the season and i got and idea to do a promotion with another company and give my books away for free if they signed up. I made about $1800 in a day. I have another planned in a couple of days which i learned about at mass control once again.

I just bought a (few weeks back) product launch formula. Very similar to mass control, (i almost did not buy it becuase there is so much overlap, but i thought what the hell this guy makes $2,000,000 every time he does a launch i want to learn from him.), but in much greater detail. I am studying it right now for the launch of a new product i am working on, and the re-release of some old ones. I am sure it will more than pay off.

We will see about arbitrage conspiracy if it pays for itself for i'll be happy and i am sure it will do much more than that. Will i start making $100k a day, not sure about that, but $500 - $1000 a day i'd be happy with that for a $2k investment. Or even if i can just get all of my domains to pay for themselves and pull a profit i'll be thrilled. If not i'll get a refund. I have never been denied a refund yet from anyone and my credit card company would back me up anyway.

To answer the question why someone would give that formula away there are many reasons that i have personally experienced.

1. High status as an expert your status goes up.
2. It feels good teaching people. Look there are thousands of teachers that make crap salaries teaching children why do they do it? They enjoy it so why would you find it hard to believe that someone would want to teach others how to make money. I enjoy it or i would not do it.
3. To give back. People know to give back or sometimes feel they should when they reach a certain level of success.
4. To make even more money while doing all of the above. $100k a day is nice, he just made about $2,000,000 in one day on that launch. That feels even better.

You say but what about the competition he is creating...

One, he is starting his own cpa network and will now have built in and trained affiliates.

Two, most people will buy it take the course hardly even use it. Yet not ask for their money back becuase they know it's not the course that failed it's them. Most people are too lazy, do not feel worthy, or have such self-sabotaging beliefs and actions that you can literally give them a perfect formula and they will still screw it up and fail. (next time you see someone smoking cigarettes, you are witnessing self-sabotage in action. People do the same thing financially as well.)

i know i have done it myself many times in spite of making close to $750k+ online (who knows maybe it's even a million, if you don't see it all at once you lose count.) i could have made ten times that much if i had gotten out of my way sooner. But i know one thing, without all of the courses i have taken i doubt i would have made a dime, most people that start businesses fail becuase of lack of knowledge and failing to plan and under capitalization.

D i t t o !

[Cashcows]

Originally Posted by jasdon11

Good post Cashcows.

I don't have any problem with courses in general - I've bought a few on different topics and have learned a lot from them - but arb-conspiracy does concern me. There are so many people pushing it, and all the videos I've seen about it so far, haven't shown me anything new.

I've also had notice about some of the claims made about the $10k Vegas conference; that most of the attendees weren't paying anything. If true, it makes me wonder what other claims have been embellished.

If you take this course, I really hope it 'does what it says on the tin', and from the sound of it, you have a better idea of what to expect than I do...but this one's not for me. It's been over-sold.

Another thing - how can I trust the judgement of someone who goes to such trouble for a product launch, and didn't even register CPAarbitrage.com?

The reason there are so many people pushing it is becuase it's basically a JV/Affiliate product launch.

That's exactly what it is meant to do you get a ton of affiliates talking about it, people in the forums talking about it, lots of discussion an then on Launch day you and all of your affiliates hit is very hard and you make $2,000,000 in a day.

This was done with Mass Control, Traffic Secrets, Altitude, The Annihilation Method (dating launch) and this is exactly what I will do when I do this type of launch. It not easy...to always pull this off.

A lot of time these days they guys severs crash and go down from having 5000 people trying to buy their product all at once!

But it does not mean the product is bad. In fact the fact that so many of the top marketers are pushing it is a good thing, becuase these guy all make their living from their list and if they recommend a crappy product and burn their list their list won't trust them any more. So they are not going to recommend something that sucks even for $1000 commission, because that $1000 is nothing compared to all of the other money they can make promoting more launched and products of their own.

For the most part I have found the Internet marketing crowd to be very reputable smart people, there are a few exceptions of course. And the value of any course to you is also determined by your current level of knowledge.

As far as Attendees not paying, that would be becuase it is standard practice to invite your JV/Affiliate partners for free, so they can see if what you are selling is worth it. I have people give me their products for free all of the time so that I will promote them in my books and on my sites. If someone would promote something they have never used they are not as reputable.

Why didn't he register CPAArbitrage.com? My best guess is that hs is not a domainer. If you not a domainer you don't think like one. Most of the top internet marketing guys don't know half as much about domains as I do. But they know things I don't. Except for John Reese he tells his story of how he was really broke and needed money and someone offered him $1000 for one of his domains back in the 90's and then after he sold it the guy contacted him again and told him I have to tell you that I sold that name for $1,000,000 I'd feel guity if I didn't (I think he should have giving him another $10K myself). He said he felt literally like committing suicide but then he realized that it meant that all of his other names are worth a lot of money too.

PS:I am thinking about doing a course myself on how to monetize adult traffic since I have about 1000 adult names. That cost me about $8000 a year and I making about 3-4 times that on them. I have made several hundreds of thousands of dollars with adult domains over the years with very little work and parking these days suck for them. I switched to parking for a while becuase of the 2257 legalities. But After BIG JUMBO screwed me over I decided to do what had always worked for me before and I am making good money on it again. If I get enough people that want to learn I'll do a course of my own. So if any one is interested PM me and if I get enough people I'll make the course and it won't Be $2000.

Originally Posted by Focus

I have made over <removed> dollars PROFIT online since I started domaining and the only thing I have really read is Dnforum......but you raise some great points, excellent post cashcows. Knowledge is priceless but personally I think this entire "course" is most likely information that is already available for free online, unless you don't mind paying for it wrapped nicely for the holidays.

Kudos to you if you can do that from a forum a lone. I'll pay for the packaging with a easy to follow format. But I do think forums are good Which is why I paid for the Top Membership here. I mean this forum has made me over $100K in sales alone. It also has helped me stay up on the latest developments. Where some courses get outdated in a few months. (not all. basic marketing principals stay the same)

[phineasphog]

Originally Posted by ShaunP

Leonard:

So these guys are making $30,000 to $100,000 a day ($10,950,000 to $36,5000,000 a year), but for a small free are willing to share this with the masses? I don't think sceptical even begins to cover my thoughts about this. But hey, I hope you prove me wrong and you make millions.

Ditto.