Domain Name Arbitrage

[stewmath]

if i had $2000 id buy it because i have always been interested in cpa marketing but i have never managed to do it, ive always lost money on ppc campaigns etc.

But unfortunatly i just dont have $2000 to spend, more like $20,000 of debt.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by stewmath

if i had $2000 id buy it because i have always been interested in cpa marketing but i have never managed to do it, ive always lost money on ppc campaigns etc. But unfortunatly i just dont have $2000 to spend, more like $20,000 of debt.

Maybe keep a watch on EBAY for second hand copies in a month or two.

[stewmath]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Maybe keep a watch on EBAY for second hand copies in a month or two.

good idea but i can imagine its gonna be one of those online video things

[namestrands]

You could always just redirect your NICHE specific domains to an affiliate link and chances are you will earn more than parking.. however the domain would have to be discriptive and your Advertising Partner will have to be relevant.

I do this for a few of my domains... one Domain just redirects to an affiliate (with permission) and I get 10% Commission on all sales.. I can easily average $500 a month for very little traffic.. I had the domain parked and it earned less than $2 a month.

Nothing new in Arbitrage, and advertisers are getting wise to it.. Read the T&Cs and you will find that they do not allow sponsoring of brand keywords, so this would mean that you take a bigger risk sponsoring Generic Phrases.

However, its a sound concept, but a risky one..

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by namestrands

Nothing new in Arbitrage, and advertisers are getting wise to it.. Read the T&Cs and you will find that they do not allow sponsoring of brand keywords, so this would mean that you take a bigger risk sponsoring Generic Phrases. However, its a sound concept, but a risky one..

Do you think the companies that pay for the CPA advertisments will welcome the "new wave" of marketing that will come off this promotion. From posts on various forums it seems they have done fairly well with registration for the course.

[namestrands]

Of course they will, as unlike PPC the advertisers Pay On Qualified results, its pretty much 100% Conversion for the CPA advertisers.

PPC has been a great moneyspinner for the likes of Google and Yahoo, however advertisers are getting smarter as the economy shrinks.

Lessons should be learned from the the 80s and early 90s, where Pepsi cut back on its advertising which resulted in losing top position against Coca Cola, the same is true now as it was then, this time we have a new medium.

PPC will soon only be suited to increase Brand Awareness, and the rest of the eTailers and Finance Brokers and others will move over to a better return in the CPA marketplace.

These advertisers need publishers and until the majority of Domain Owners and Site owners move away from a PPC based structure to generate revenue we will be stuck with PPC for now.

That being said with google's aquisition of DoubleClick, on the face of it, it looks like google have seen the future.

If you do the maths, an advertiser can brand and advertise its products or services for free to Millions of users and only pay out when a service or product is sold. In the current format the Advertiser Pays for every click and for Every $1000 spent they are not guaranteed to make that back; on the other hand with CPA for every $1000 spent they potentially make $9000 based on an average 10% Commission fee.

Parking Companies are the just Proxies, and it was only a matter of time before they bring it all in house. This can be seen with companies like ENOM, instead of factoring out its expired domains they have created a whole new platform. Snapnames are becoming somewhat of a distant Memory, which its down to their own fault for not listening to its customers and failing to manage its marketplace effectivley.

Domainers are the Bread and Butter of the Parking Companies, and yet our revenue shares are 50% or in most cases less. These companies, and I do generalise, are not interested in your the domainer, they are interested in your domains and they fail to see the person behind the domains.

Smoke and Mirrors is the Modus Operandi, claiming non disclosure when asked about revenue shares, and citing Traffic Quality or "Its down to our feed provider". Companies that run a business in this way will not be in business long.

I have said it all along, domainers can live without the parking companies, however the parking companies can not live without domainers.

Google does its business well, and looks to see what is failing in the Parking industry, once it has all this information it will take them out of the equation and start its own. However you can expect them to be tough on TMs and a zero tollerance policy will apply.

I really believe that the Parking industry needs a clean up, not just for its reputation but to allow true domainers to get a better deal.

If you have a million domains earning $6.95 Million a year, your turnover will be high but your profits will be Zero.

Each parked domain must earn you 2c a day to break even, however with CPA it only has to make a single sale in a year to become profitable. Statistically were you to have a targetted domain then for every 1000 clickthroughs you should convert a sale at the very least 8 times. If the average sale had a $99 value you would be looking at netting around $72 for every 1000 Clicks, in PPC you would average less than $20 by the time you get your share.

One sale a year on CPA can potentially earn back your Reg Fee investment. Where as it could take 2 years on PPC to break even.

[Keyboard Cowboy]

Originally Posted by namestrands

One sale a year on CPA can potentially earn back your Reg Fee investment. Where as it could take 2 years on PPC to break even.

This is exactly right.

Good post, by the way.

[bwhhisc]

Thanks Namestrands...good information and nice of you to take the time to really give a thorough explanation. Much appreciated.

[Cashcows]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Maybe keep a watch on EBAY for second hand copies in a month or two.

Highly unlikely. It's against the terms and conditions and would actually be piracy and the product is all kept on their website and not down loadable. It's not something that ships on DVD's.

PS: I do often buy courses like that on ebay, but it only works if they come in a box as physical product.

[ShaunP]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Maybe keep a watch on EBAY for second hand copies in a month or two.

I think I'll just wait for all the newly minted millionaires that come out of using this "system". It looks like the late night "how to be a millionaire" infomercials have moved online. Free advice ...there is NO easy way. IMHO.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Cashcows

Highly unlikely. It's against the terms and conditions and would actually be piracy and the product is all kept on their website and not down loadable. It's not something that ships on DVD's.
PS: I do often buy courses like that on ebay, but it only works if they come in a box as physical product.

I wasn't suggesting a mass resale of their copyrighted information. People that have paid large sums for these courses often flip them for a single resale when they find out they program doesn't work for them, or isn't what they thought. Perhaps is done by video access as you said and not possible to do.

[bwhhisc]

Here is a post of caution from this marketers analysis of the Arbitrage Conspiracy system. Good to hear from both sides and maybe save someone from jumping in that is not ready to make the commitment of time and money financing their CPA campaigns (beyond the cost of the course). I imagine for some it will work great, but others hoping for a 'get rich quick' business and not willing to put in the time and dedicated research will probably be sadly disappointed.

http://www.johncow.com/dont-buy-cpa-...ge-conspiracy/

Don’t Buy CPA Arbitrage Conspiracy
Written by John Cow on December 10th, 2008
Got this email from my buddy Jerry West and thought i would share it… this is one guy I 100% trust and if he says no… then i have to believe he has a damn good reason why.

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I was going to keep quiet about this, but with all the emails going out about “The Arbitrage Conspiracy” … and how their “cart” is opening today at 3pm, well, it is time that someone who was actually there talks honestly about the program.

I will be giving my FULL review in my FREE newsletter later this week, so make sure you are signed up. You can go to: webmarketingnow. com/and the sign-up box is in the upper right hand corner.

Here is the brief review:

DON’T BUY THE COURSE!!!

Don’t get sucked into the hype. It isn’t real. I was there and I walked out after 40 minutes because the material was very basic. I even talked to many people (other solid CPA marketers) who stayed for the entire presentation and they said there wasn’t anything new, it was all recycled material from past systems.

If you want to really know how the CPA (Cost Per Action) market works and the DARK side of it, I will be coming out with a free course by the end of the year. No strings attached. I feel that passionate about this. This is another “launch” that over 90% of the people who sign-up will fail because it does not meet the expectations the marketing message created.

CPA is a tough business and you can lose your shirt if you don’t fully understand it.

Protect yourself. Bypass this offer and save yourself not only money, but a mountain of frustration.

Best Regards,

Jerry West
Web Marketing Now

<– End of Email

[WebsiteTraders.Com]

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Originally Posted by Cashcows

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We live a culture these days that jackasses that have never created anything of any value themselves think that anything digital or information based should be free. Yet they go out and spend money on Alcohol, Cigarettes, gamble, junk food and all kinds of crap than does them no good and actually harms them, but yeah quality life changing information should be free. Kids grow up expecting to download everything for free now. Not realizing the time, energy, research and money that goes into creating the books, courses etc. I tell you the hardest thing I have ever done is to write a book. I read 30 to write one. That's why you get a Phd when you write your thesis, becuase basically you are writing a book. but I digress and went on a rant.

agree ... writing a book isnt easy and writing something that people like to read is even more difficult, i have heard Robert Kiyosaki or Donald Trump (dont exactly remember which one it was) when they wrote "Y V want u to be a billionaire" how difficult it is to write a best seller. I trust both these guyz


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Originally Posted by Cashcows

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HERE IS A BIG TIP THAT I HAVE LEARNED "You have to STOP and apply what you have learned before you buy he next course or you are wasting you money."

Great advice

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Originally Posted by Cashcows

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But for me the courses have been worth it. I see threads on here that are so ridiculous and ignorant. People telling people not to buy a $47 ebook or $97 Ebook or a course, saying that it's rip off or scam.

even some heavily hyped books are worth their money.......it all comes down to choosing the right one

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Originally Posted by Cashcows

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(You skeptical guys just really don't get it. You don't make money by ripping people off. You make money by selling them a great product and then selling them more great products for the next ten years.)

These same people also say all you need to do is read the forums.

forums cant replace trade secrets......the only way i feel people can share their trade secret is when the ROI in giving out the info is higher than the trade

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Originally Posted by Cashcows

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That's such a crock of S**T. Then those same people go out and buy lame names that will never sell, but refuse to pay for an ebook that might teach them something.

not all but surely some do

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Originally Posted by Cashcows

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I am sorry but not this forum or any will tell you all you need to know. For one thing anyone with any sense is not going to post all of their secrets on the forum. And even if they did it would take you days just to find all of the posts and then determine what was good advise and what was not.

saves time n u get to the point.....always a tradeoff between time and money the two most important resources each one of us has....the balance differs as to how much money one has to buy his own time

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Originally Posted by Cashcows

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The biggest mistake a person can make is to go into something uninformed and uneducated. And any newbie should invest more money in learning than in buying domains. Learn then invest in domains. How many My-Crappy-Site.info names do you see people trying to sell on here. One $47 ebook and they would not have wasted their money on those worthless domains!

This is the same in anything your greatest investment should be in educating yourself.

agree........this is an information age.......right info is more valuable than gold


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Originally Posted by Cashcows

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To answer the question why someone would give that formula away there are many reasons that I have personally experienced.

4.To make even more money while doing all of the above. $100K a day is nice, he just made about $2,000,000 in one day on that launch. That feels even better.

if the ROI is greater.

Cashcows would like to visit ur website.........url?

[DotComGod]

Namestrands is correct,

I have one domain that makes 10 times what it did on parking and it was doing well on parking. Analyze your stats and like any business, understand what you customers are looking for, then marry them up. Sales will convert, not everyday for some but the yearly totals will be much higher if you target the right product.

Again, great post Namestrands!

-=DCG=-

[phineasphog]

Originally Posted by DotComGod

I have one domain that makes 10 times what it did on parking and it was doing well on parking. Analyze your stats and like any business, understand what you customers are looking for, then marry them up. Sales will convert, not everyday for some but the yearly totals will be much higher if you target the right product.

It only makes sense but I've avoided affiliate for years out of fear of actually receiving those fatter paychecks.

Any advice on seeking out the reputable programs and avoiding the disreputable?

[WebsiteTraders.Com]

Originally Posted by phineasphog

It only makes sense but I've avoided affiliate for years out of fear of actually receiving those fatter paychecks.

Any advice on seeking out the reputable programs and avoiding the disreputable?

If you want the info for free....go to http://wickedfire.com and read and ask there.

If you dont mind paying $ 50 then go to http://ppc-coach.com

hope this helps

[jasdon11]

Anyone buy this?

[domaingenius]

[QUOTE=I think they will let only a few inside and close the doors so its best to get in while you can.[/QUOTE]

Hey your names not Madoff is it, thats what he used to say to potential investors get them keen to get in by refusing them all the time.

DG

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by jasdon11

Anyone buy this?

Anyone here taking the "Arbitrage Conspiracy" CPA course. Interested to see results from others.

[Cashcows]

Originally Posted by WebsiteTraders.Com

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agree ... writing a book isnt easy and writing something that people like to read is even more difficult, i have heard Robert Kiyosaki or Donald Trump (dont exactly remember which one it was) when they wrote "Y V want u to be a billionaire" how difficult it is to write a best seller. I trust both these guyz


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Great advice

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even some heavily hyped books are worth their money.......it all comes down to choosing the right one

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forums cant replace trade secrets......the only way i feel people can share their trade secret is when the ROI in giving out the info is higher than the trade

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not all but surely some do

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saves time n u get to the point.....always a tradeoff between time and money the two most important resources each one of us has....the balance differs as to how much money one has to buy his own time

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agree........this is an information age.......right info is more valuable than gold


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if the ROI is greater.

Cashcows would like to visit ur website.........url?

Here are two of my websites:
http://www.greatlovers.com been online for 10 years profitable and yes what I am selling is real and does work. Worked for me.

http://www.pickupwomenonline.com finishing up some products for this one right now. I have done a lot of online dating since I am behind the computer all day long.

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Anyone here taking the "Arbitrage Conspiracy" CPA course. Interested to see results from others.

I bought it and so far I have to say for some reason I am not thrilled. Considering the refund if it does not get better soon.

Not sure if it's just that ALL of the other courses seemed more professional and better organized or what it is exactly.

Maybe it's the way they talk really fast repeat themselves over and over again and stammer and stutter their way through it or maybe it's how they seem to keep selling it to you telling you how great it all is!

Or maybe I just know to much already? But not really.

I have learned a few things but so far I am not thrilled. Maybe they are holding back until after the 30 day for the first refund policy to expire.

I think they just needed to learn how to to teach effectively which is not easy as I have to do it also. But I think the fast talking high pitched stammering and stuttering voices actually cause you to feel less confident in what is being taught even if it 100% on the money.

And the damn power points from hell are making me fall asleep!

I know one thing if anyone paid $10K for the live it's not worth that so far.