Why LLLL.com Domains Will Grow in Price

[EJS]

If you are so bullish on LLLL.com names, why would you be selling them in the thread below? I load up on the stocks I am bullish towards. Why would you want to sell domains that are going to increase in value? Also, why would you be offering a discount on them as well?

http://www.dnforum.com/f5/huge-list-...ad-276976.html

[dotNetKing]

Using the same logic we could say that poor quality 5L, 6L, 7L, ect will all gain value in 6 year intervals when we all know that pattern can't go on forever.

Where as every 6 years is linear,
5L - 26x26x26x26x26 ------------11,881 k
6L - 26x26x26x26x26x26 --------308,906 k
7L - 26x26x26x26x26x26x26 - 8,031,556 k (or 8,031,556,000) etc is exponential (if I'm not misusing the word)

So I would have to agree with CyrusL that the pattern can't go on forever at a linear rate and personally I think it will be pretty tough to break the 5L (11,881,000) mark in 6 or 7 years.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

[DomainMagnate]

If you are so bullish on LLLL.com names, why would you be selling them in the thread below? I load up on the stocks I am bullish towards. Why would you want to sell domains that are going to increase in value? Also, why would you be offering a discount on them as well?

http://www.dnforum.com/f5/huge-list-...ad-276976.html

I've purchased LLLL.com's for about $15k during last 8-10 days, most of them privately, and sold a few as well. I still can't print money so I have to sell some domains once in a while to support the cashflow and invest in other LLLL's.
Same reason why you sell your generics that you love so much.


dotNetKing, check a few posts back about the growth and expansion of the Net that explain why it won't happen

[EJS]

I've purchased LLLL.com's for about $15k during last 10 days, most of them privately, and sold a few as well. I still can't print money so I have to sell some domains once in a while to support the cashflow and invest in other LLLL's.
Same reason why you sell your generics that you love so much.

The difference is that I don't pump them in one thread and dump them in another. If your original post here is 100% what you believe, $15k is nothing and you should call Domain Capital to finance it (if you don't have the cash to outlay).

[CyrusL]

So you saying there are only 676 LL's, 17.5K LLL's and 450K LLLL's and 450K is too much for the market, is that right? So why is that. What makes you think that 17.5k is not a big number, but 450k is too big, especially after you've seen proof that LLLL.com's prices can be maintained over the last 4 months? Do explain why.

I'm not the one making statements as to the market potential of LLLL.coms, you are. Stop assuming I'm either for or against LLLL.coms in every reply post you make.

You're the one saying 450k is not too big a number and you're the one that needs to prove it. I don't think "17.5k wasn't too big a number, so why not 450k" is good enough reasoning.

[EJS]

I should also add that I do own enough LLLL.com names, so I am not bearish on this type of name. The voracity of these types of posts is making it look like a big pump and dump scheme.

[DomainMagnate]

The difference is that I don't pump them in one thread and dump them in another. If your original post here is 100% what you believe, $15k is nothing and you should call Domain Capital to finance it (if you don't have the cash to outlay).

Ever heard about spreading risks, developing sites, affiliate marketing? I also buy NNNNN.com's as well as other domains and invest in many other projects.
I already took a similar loan and not planning to take another.

I'm not the one making statements as to the market potential of LLLL.coms, you are. Stop assuming I'm either for or against LLLL.coms in every reply post you make.

You're the one saying 450k is not too big a number and you're the one that needs to prove it. I don't think "17.5k wasn't too big a number, so why not 450k" is good enough reasoning.

I'm not assuming anything about you, but rather trying to understand your reasoning behind the claim that LLLL.com prices will fall. While I've clearly stated my points I'm yet to see yours.

[CyrusL]

trying to understand your reasoning behind the claim that LLLL.com prices will fall.

Cool, show me where I said that.

[Acro]

Acro, Will the same happen to LLL.com and LL.com? Did you predict this 7 years ago for LLL.com as well?

Shorter domains such as the LL and LLL .com's are more valuable for obvious reasons: easier to memorize and easier to type. I am not putting all LLLL .com's in the same bag. I simply point out that there are reasons to believe why LLLL .com's cannot appreciate en masse, regardless of the letters (unlike with the LLL and LL .com's). There are several holders of large portfolios of LLLL .com's that registered them eliminating large parts of the inventory. Now, whether LLLL .com's will be worth $50 or $500 in a few years, that's another story. All I am saying is, that a lot of them will expire and drop when the time comes, because their lifespan depends on traffic revenue.

[DomainMagnate]

I should also add that I do own enough LLLL.com names, so I am not bearish on this type of name. The voracity of these types of posts is making it look like a big pump and dump scheme.

Are you accusing me of trying to pump the prices in order to sell all my names quick?

First of all, I don't know much about you personally, but that is low and insulting.

And secondly even if I wanted I can't affect the whole market by myself. I'm simply posting my views. And instead of listing your arguments you trying to make it personal

Shorter domains such as the LL and LLL .com's are more valuable for obvious reasons: easier to memorize and easier to type. I am not putting all LLLL .com's in the same bag. I simply point out that there are reasons to believe why LLLL .com's cannot appreciate en masse, regardless of the letters (unlike with the LLL and LL .com's). There are several holders of large portfolios of LLLL .com's that registered them eliminating large parts of the inventory. Now, whether LLLL .com's will be worth $50 or $500 in a few years, that's another story. All I am saying is, that a lot of them will expire and drop when the time comes, because their lifespan depends on traffic revenue.

Well I certainly agree that there are risks, as always. I understand your logic, but I don't think that can happen.
As I've listed in my blog post the big holders are selling their names and not selling cheap. Why would they let the names drop if they can simply sell a few on the market to finance the reg fees for the rest, or rather sell some to end users for higher prices, like they do. That would be like throwing money away.

Cool, show me where I said that.

So you agree that the prices will keep growing? Then why do you argue
As for the 5L's, the number of net users, the online advertising market and thus the domaining space is not likely to keep growing like that for another 7 years, so I don't think that all the LLLLL.com's have value by that time. But just for the record I'm aware of quite a few decent end user sales for random 5 letter domains.

[dodo1]

And instead of listing your arguments you trying to make it personal

He has already listed his arguments on his blog, but you called them lame and him short-sighted...

[DomainMagnate]

He has already listed his arguments on his blog, but you called them lame and him short-sighted...

Dominik, read my post first to get an idea what's it about..
I've referred to the top 4 arguments in my post, but I'm yet to see the main one as to how would LLLL.com's prices actually fall and if its all speculation why it didn't happen with LLL yet?

[EJS]

Are you accusing me of trying to pump the prices in order to sell all my names quick?

First of all, I don't know much about you personally, but that is low and insulting.

And secondly even if I wanted I can't affect the whole market by myself. I'm simply posting my views. And instead of listing your arguments you trying to make it personal

You are pumping/promoting LLLL.com names in one thread ("Why LLLL.com Domains Will Grow in Price") and dumping/selling in another ("HUGE LIST - Premium LLLL.com...") at the same time. How is that any different than a stock analyst recommending a stock publicly while selling it out of his portfolio as the price rises (which is where the "pump and dump" term originated)?

Maybe the term doesn't sound friendly, but it's what you are doing.

[DomainMagnate]

You are pumping/promoting LLLL.com names in one thread ("Why LLLL.com Domains Will Grow in Price") and dumping/selling in another ("HUGE LIST - Premium LLLL.com...") at the same time. How is that any different than a stock analyst recommending a stock publicly while selling it out of his portfolio as the price rises (which is where the "pump and dump" term originated? Maybe the term doesn't sound friendly, but it's what you are doing.

I always sell and buy domains, that's what domainers do, I figured you'd know.
Selling some LLLL's at higher prices that I believe have less growth potential, to buy others that will grow more, cheaper. I don't have unlimited money and I do have many other projects to invest in, so always trying to optimize it.

I'm not going to stoop that low to false personal acquisitions, but if you're done with that and would like to return to the topic feel free to list some constructive arguments as how exactly and when you believe LLLL prices will fall. It would interesting to see your opinion on this..

[EJS]

I always sell and buy domains, that's what domainers do, I figured you'd know.
Selling some LLLL's at higher prices that I believe have less growth potential, to buy others that will grow more, cheaper. I don't have unlimited money and I do have many other projects to invest in, so always trying to optimize it.

I'm not going to stoop that low to false personal acquisitions, but if you're done with that and would like to return to the topic feel free to list some constructive arguments as how exactly and when you believe LLLL prices will fall. It would interesting to see your opinion on this..

You already read my blog... I really don't have anything else to add to this discussion.

[CyrusL]

So you agree that the prices will keep growing? Then why do you argue

Posts that are this dumb are why I have a hard time with internet forums.

[DomainMagnate]

Posts that are this dumb are why I have a hard time with internet forums.

Do you have a point there, or just trying to pick a fight and padding the post count?

[CyrusL]

Do you have a point there, or just trying to pick a fight and padding the post count?

I've spent two pages of this thread trying to explain to you why your logic for LLLL.com is flawed and all you can manage to do is simplify every sentence into either "LLLL.com going up" or "LLLL.com going down." Discourse over markets is never that easy and should be objectively analyzed by metrics better than unrelated prior performance of other markets.

You said I claimed "LLLL.com prices will fall" but theres no trace of it anywhere in the thread.

You ought to stop personalizing domain discussions into attacks and defenses over your belief systems and instead contribute to and learn from the collective dialogue. I'm 20 years old and I can safely say I'm more mature and better at this than you.

[DomainName]

You are pumping/promoting LLLL.com names in one thread ("Why LLLL.com Domains Will Grow in Price") and dumping/selling in another ("HUGE LIST - Premium LLLL.com...") at the same time. How is that any different than a stock analyst recommending a stock publicly while selling it out of his portfolio as the price rises (which is where the "pump and dump" term originated)?

Maybe the term doesn't sound friendly, but it's what you are doing.

I'd have to agree with EJS...it does look like your pumping the LLLL.com to benefit for a higher rate of return. It doesn't make sense why you're selling so many names when you strongly believe in the LLLL.com market. I understand that you may have other ideas ie: the NNNNN.com market that you STRONGLY believe in.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not taking sides here...it's just really hard to believe that you feel so strongly about this market when you're selling so many names.

[DomainMagnate]

Cyrus, I've already referred to your claims that 5,6 and 7 and then 20 letter domains will not get registered any soon due to the obvious slow down in the internet expansion and now you are just trying to insult me by calling my posts dumb. How mature is that?
I didn't start this thread to exchange personal insults, but rather to get some constructive comments.

And then 6 letters, and then 7 letters, and eventually 15 letters and 20 letters and 100 letters? It cannot go on forever so I would make your arguments relative to the properties of LLLL.com rather than direct comparisons to the growth rates of LLL.com.

I'd have to agree with EJS...it does look like your pumping the LLLL.com to benefit for a higher rate of return. It doesn't make sense why you're selling so many names when you strongly believe in the LLLL.com market. I understand that you may have other ideas ie: the NNNNN.com market that you STRONGLY believe in.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not taking sides here...it's just really hard to believe that you feel so strongly about this market when you're selling so many names.

Thanks for the note, but that's not exactly true. I feel strongly that LLLL.com won't fall and will keep growing, which was the subject of the post. I'm not saying I feel strongly that the current LLLL.com growth rate will continue, of course it won't. The growth will slow down and become more moderate like in LLL.com.

I'm always ready to sell all my LLLL names if you pay twice the current market prices, that way I can buy twice more LLLL's. I don't see the problem with that?