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Worth framing.Originally Posted by Luc
"Just a lot of embarrassment, embarrassed to be part of group of domainers who would do this to their fellow man.",
Condemnation of Mobee boys and investors by our precious Mother Theresa of Domaindom
Happy to see it go - it was like having a having two chilled bottles of Cristal champagne at the ready. Always tempting, but the the morning after I had to ask "why did I do that again?" I've learned that even the most brilliant people all have their idiot zones (the flip sid of wisdom from fools), but I'd rather not know the political opinions of people I may wish to work with. And I'd rather not be tempted.
That's the way I felt about it. Sometimes it is simply hard to ignore when you see friends and associates going at it like children.
Though I wouldn't care if it stayed or went as long as I had a way to not see it but we don't have that option to block that particular forum.
Agreed. Isn't the domain industry small enough without dividing it further? Shouldn't we be allowed a place without having to deal with off-topic controversy between our community members? Shouldn't we be doing what we can to be taken more seriously by outsiders of the domain industry and not giving them yet another reason to mislabel us?
Please keep those forums closed or give us opt-out options or start banning the trouble makers.
To make clear, I am no forum Guru, but I have had/been involved with various forums for a dozen years easy. Also know I am no DNF expert and I cant speak what is good for DNF or not.
But,...
I speak for myself, but what forums I do patronize I patronize for specific reasons. Sure I guess it is good to want to have loose non-niche bantor with freinds of any particular site, but I feel that too much of a broad spectrum tangent being attached to a niche can (and imho, eventually will) damage a community.
I am myself tightening ship on some of my forums and reducing catagory scope to focus on niche subject.
I look at this from two ways,..
1 - I dont go to massive "topic-for-everything" forums to interact with domain name professionals or find valid information and insight, and I might expect a DN forum to have a lounge or two for member groups. But I feel the politics section here at DNF is too toxic (maybe too strong a word) for the community to grow with.
2 - The forum industry and traffic for them are in a contraction, and all traffic should be selected for quality not solely quantity. If someone using google might find a politics post in their search results, ends up coming to DNF just to have fun in the politics section. How does that benefit DNforum.com and its primary niche focus? And in fact, having a politics forum and as a result links in search engines, that provide a confused message to the random visitor that found DNF in search results of political posts? And this traffic doesnt convert well for DNF except for maybe an accidental inadvertant one-time ad-click.
For me personally, it is an un-needed distraction here.
I agree, any topic like the death of someone famous or any real news can go in a lounge and stay out of politics.
Adam
I read the part about this being a domain forum and we shouldn't be discussing politics, I get the part that it might be a distraction to some, that we should be focusing on domains, I even get the part where Acro tells us political comments are spilling into his threads, and that politics has polarized domainers on DNF, the latter part I might agree with, but that hasn't stopped him from posting these;
http://www.dnforum.com/f604/give-10-...ad-469859.html
http://www.dnforum.com/f604/singapor...ad-465529.html
If a member can post threads that have the potential of offending others and invite confrontation, then all of us should be afforded the same privilege to post similar threads, no?
I think the problem in Political goes beyond just indifference and intolerance, were at the point where a group of members now feel they can post vulgarity and profanity as they see fit so long as it includes a asterisk or two, The failure of this forum to enforce it's own rules is why it's gotten so out of control, I remember coming to this forum when "GiantDomains" was a moderator, and what a great moderator this guy was, He issued infractions like a motorcycle cop issues traffic citations, I think he was feared more than he was liked, and fearing that infraction is what kept members in line.. I remember he would log-on in the late evening and soon after I'd see threads being closed down for rule violations, and if you violated rules #1 or #3 you were sure to receive at least an infraction, If you go back to that period, you'll find the forum was quite civil then, we haven't seen anything like what were seeing now, NOT even close... Somewhere along the line administrators made a change, they relaxed the rules, and what were seeing now is the result of that.... This hands OFF approach towards members who blatantly break the rules has failed miserably.. And to pretend the abuse only exists in political, it's time to take your head out of the sand;
http://www.dnforum.com/f79/how-do-yo...ml#post2043752
http://www.dnforum.com/f34/where-sel...ml#post2042599
http://www.dnforum.com/f4/getoffonth...ml#post2043225
Are we going to close these sections down also when the flame throwers get out of hand? I cant count the number of times I've seen newbies or gold members posting threads only to be ridiculed and ripped into shreds, An "unknown" member who's just not worthy of the same respect we give to others, just because he's a "newbie", an easy target we can pick on because were "Platinum" or "Exclusive" members, OOOOH! .. And when that newbie defends himself, we resort to attacking his family.. Same chicken shit tactics we've seen in the p section from the same chicken shits who hide behind a keyboard.
I'm afraid all your doing is using a band-aid instead of addressing the core problem... As long as members feel they can get away with it, flame wars will continue and will only get worse... It's already happened and DNF has nobody to blame but themselves.
You want to restore civility on this forum? Enforce your own rules to ANYONE who breaks them, No matter who He or She is... No matter if they have 16,000 posts or 6., No matter if they attended a Domain convention or haven't... Playing favorites only pisses people off. :veryupset:
And I'm 100% in favor of blocking members from posting in that section, What a great way to bring civility to that section.
It's your opinion that people who have little to no interest in domains, will take out their credit card and join DNF just so they can post in the political section?
That's too funny
Last edited by Raider; 11-19-2011 at 02:08 AM.
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
Troll alert! Raider is back.
Seriously though, I thought that 2 weeks of banning would have given you a new perspective instead of the same old pull the trigger first and ask questions later attitude.
Precious...always the victim.
---------- Post added at 01:58 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:55 AM ----------
Please, please, please don't anyone stick up for me like this.
---------- Post added at 02:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:58 AM ----------
I was highly, highly offended by that post. It blatantly demonstrated what others had mentioned...literally following people around on the forum and attacking them based on who they are, not so much what was mentioned.
For me, it could not have happened at a worse time and in a worse thread than giving props to those that served.
"Just a lot of embarrassment, embarrassed to be part of group of domainers who would do this to their fellow man.",
Condemnation of Mobee boys and investors by our precious Mother Theresa of Domaindom
I thought a 1 year ban would of given you a new perspective;
http://www.dnforum.com/f366/huge-adj...ml#post1167333
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
The past few posts literally made me "LOL" because of the irony...
Delusion responses at its finest.
Great news although it would've probably been easier to just ban the two people who only post in the politics forum and use personal insults in almost every post there. Anyway I suppose the result is the same - don't have to read the bile from these disgusting people any more.
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I actually thought those delinquents should be banned from DNForum altogether, but then I realize it may be an even harsher punishment if they are only blocked from posting in (but allowed to view) the political section. It's like going to a buffet but not allowed to eat. :wicked:
Seriously, it already gave DNForum a bad name. When personal insults become the business of the day (and not dealt with, e.g. by banning abusers at least temporarily, and/or locking totally trainwrecked threads), it only shows either unwillingness or incompetence of their owners, administrators or moderators to manage said forums, which directly affects the credit rating (or more like credibility rating) of them as decent businessmen. That is why almost ALL established forums are said to have really high hand when it comes to moderation, AND RIGHTLY SO.
Closing down the political section is kind of effective in the short term, but could well send a wrong signal that abusers are not only tolerated but their abusive behavior actually also "harbored". We don't shut down a bar just because there are a few trouble makers. We ban them. Whether they are buying or selling million-dollar domains on a daily basis is not even relevant here. After all, it's not exactly rocket science to run a forum, more like I said, consistently strict but reasonable.
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I thought politics was closed? What is the meaning of all this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Would of" is redneck speak - also known as Engrish.
And you're still a troll. In fact, Gerry and others pointed out the percentage of your posts that are related to domains. A pitiful 1%
It's always entertaining to watch you two brown nosers redefine the word "troll"
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
Thank you for continuing your persistent name calling in a thread that is addressing the issue of (egad!) name calling and closing the political section.
You have demonstrated that there is no need to having a political section dedicated to you as you can find the way and the means of posting your thoughts, your feelings, and the condemning of others based on who they are, where they are from, what they believe, of what they say.
Really, this is a rather good summation of the above statement:
Gerry
To me, from me, to all who have served...this is your day.
Kind of special being on 11.11.11.
But, we're a special bunch.
whitebark
I think you mean Remembrance Day...
Raider
Remind me to crap on your National holiday... you douche.
whitebark
Seriously - get a life and an education. If you knew even the slightest bit of knowledge outside your myopic view of the world you know most of the world calls it that. It's not an American-only holiday.
Do us all a favour Raider - go back to school. You very clearly need it. Just when I think you couldn't show yourself to be an even bigger idiot - you outdo yourself again.
If your goal was to look stupid - congrats - you succeeded.
Gerry
Seriously. Not an issue, was never an issue, until she made it an issue. Meanwhile, in another thread, trying to once again call my military service into question but in this thread, just has to come in and attack somebody for something now that its back on the forum. These two threads clearly show what a whacked mind we're dealing with here...in one thread veteran be damned and in this thread, leave our veterans alone! How conflicting is that.
I have to be honest...initially I was not sure how to post this (to include other nations) because we are not the sole participant in any action. It is not just our (U.S.) veterans that need honoring.
Raider
It's an American holiday on 11/11/11, you Liberal retard;
Veterans Day, formerly Armistice Day, is an annual United States holiday honoring military veterans. It is a federal holiday that is observed on November 11. It coincides with other holidays such as Armistice Day or Remembrance Day, which are celebrated in other parts of the world and also mark the anniversary of the signing of the Armistice that ended World War I. (Major hostilities of World War I were formally ended at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month of 1918 with the German signing of the Armistice.)
The next time I want knowledge from a leftist retard from the north, I'll ask for it.
Before I posted in this thread and saw your username, I knew before entering that what you posted would be a slap in the face to our Veterans, I absolutely knew it and I was right... I despise liberal f*cks like you who disrespect our servicemen and women, I really do.. The Vietnam "Era" vet might not have a problem with it but I do..
Your the kind of guy we saw in the early 70's spitting at our servicemen when they returned from Vietnam, a war that was started by a Democrat and ended by a Republican.
Seems to me that whole episode just kind of took a big huge dump on the whole spirit of the holiday and what it meant.
I attempted to placate the entire "ill feelings" of those posts by discussing my stanch regarding the "sensitivity" of others. I was fully tuned into that fact and even debated (with myself) to post something or not. I actually waited for quite some time to see if someone else (perhaps Rockerfeller or DevilDog) would make a post. American holiday or not, many in the world (and that includes forum members from different countries and nationalities) do not exactly see eye-to-eye with American policies, including any past and on-going action.
Pay close attention to the highlighted blue lines. Perhaps, I am not sure, but this may have been the first post by her after her little hiatus. Verbally attacking and crucifying another member in a thread, in a thread that should have had a congratulatory tone and remembrance mood.
"Just a lot of embarrassment, embarrassed to be part of group of domainers who would do this to their fellow man.",
Condemnation of Mobee boys and investors by our precious Mother Theresa of Domaindom
I dont think she was trying to start a fight with you guys. She was just posting her opinion. Everyone else had their say, let her have hers.
Simple solution that other forums use. Make it an opt in forum. So the people that come here and don't want to see it, won't. The people/domainers that enjoy talking politics with fellow domainers, can.
Ohhhhh, noooo...would never attempt to start a fight with anyone. Again, she was being victimized.
My fault.
It was all my fault for starting the inflammatory thread to begin with.
DOH!What was I thinking.
"Just a lot of embarrassment, embarrassed to be part of group of domainers who would do this to their fellow man.",
Condemnation of Mobee boys and investors by our precious Mother Theresa of Domaindom
I will gladly set up Flamebait.com for all frustrated DNF'ers to vent, curse and fight about Obama, republicans, liberals - then they can pretend things are ok and return to DNForum to trade domains.Flamebait (more commonly known as trolling) is a message posted to a public Internet discussion group, such as a forum, newsgroup or mailing list, with the intent of provoking an angry response (a "flame") or argument over a topic the poster often has no real interest in. While flaming can occur as a result of legitimate debates or grievances, flamebait implies the intentional posting of inflammatory rhetoric or images.
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