Should Teens 17 and under be allowed to do business- Cast your vote now. - Page 5 - DNForum - Domain Sales, Domain Forum, Domain Appraisals, Domain Registrars

Rom · 03-09-2008, 04:36 PM

What if you'll be 18 in few months, but are currently a full time developer/domainer?

Also what will happen to all teens with platinum and exclusive memberships?... I don't think there's any way for the age restrictions to work. You'd have to refund to thousands of members.

**tinner666** · 03-09-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by simon

This needs to be fixed as well. Some people would rather prefer anonymous voting

Why? Openness is essential in business. At least to me.

**smashfactory** · 03-09-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DotComGod

Following up the last point, if anyone knows of a secure system for checking online identities, I am open toi bringing it aboard regardless of the cost.

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adam- i dont know if this would even work- read this:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ing-sites.html

there is no fool proof way to do it online- any smart kid can grab his dads wallet at night and copy his drivers licence- you simply cant prove otherwise. and with some of these kids making tthe money that they make, somehow, some way, they will make themselves look legit in what they need to fax you or submit. its just not fool proof -

**gorlov** · 03-09-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DotComGod

Following up the last point, if anyone knows of a secure system for checking online identities, I am open toi bringing it aboard regardless of the cost.

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I don't beleive it's really possible, in todays international environment, to securely verify all people. How to verify people from a many countries around the world, in a way that isn't just symbolic, but that actually means something..? And even so, what does it help if a scammer uses his real identity, but is in a country where he can't be touched? Many countries don't have law enforcement that is effective for this kind of thing.

As to the age thing.... I have to agree with those saying that if a minor can't legally sign a contract, how can he then legally buy and sell domains for thousands of dollars? I understand that some may be frustrated about this, and many (most) teeenagers are trustworthy, but if something happens (not necessarily anything illegal), you may get away with it since you are minors, while the one dealing with you may lose, since the contract isn't legally binding.

**mulligan** · 03-09-2008, 04:56 PM

Unless EVERYONE has a retina scanning device with a thumbprint device and a CC checker and someone employed to visit them at home ... and all this is linked to a central database of trusted members .. then I am fairly sure scammers will penetrate .. and even then .. some of these guys would 'take the eye out of your head' for a few bucks ...

Consult a trusted security company

**kwok** · 03-09-2008, 05:01 PM

No. However, yes if he/she is DNF verified.

**Rockefeller** · 03-09-2008, 05:05 PM

I still cant vote.

**simon** · 03-09-2008, 05:07 PM

Justin at the moment only people under 18 are allowed to vote until they are at 2/3 majority for the case

**gorlov** · 03-09-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockefeller

I still cant vote.

Seems like no exclusives can vote. I don't know about others; but all comments I've seen that they can't vote has been from exclusives.
Adam wrote earlier he was looking into it.

**sdsinc** · 03-09-2008, 05:17 PM

I voted YES - Teens 17 and under should be allowed to do business here.

IMO there is no reason for discriminating against younger members.
Also such a rule seems difficult to enforce unless DNF has the manpower to vet all applications, and the verification process can be fooled anyway.

We usually don't bother to sign contracts or ask for passport copy or fingerprints when doing business with fellow members

I understand the legal implications of doing business with minors but everybody is free NOT to do business with certain persons/members for any reason. It's a personal choice.

If we begin like this we may have to blacklist members from Iran or Cuba

**shopperx** · 03-09-2008, 05:19 PM

I say no but their parents are welcome to do business.

dotcomgiant · 03-09-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gorlov

Seems like no exclusives can vote. I don't know about others; but all comments I've seen that they can't vote has been from exclusives.....

I second that...! Even I cant .....

**jasdon11** · 03-09-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DotComGod

Following up the last point, if anyone knows of a secure system for checking online identities, I am open toi bringing it aboard regardless of the cost.

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Why don't you introduce a DNF Escrow system - kerching!

You could keep it seperate from the main site if necessary by using a different name - something like DNpush.com (for sale) kerching, kerching!

And the last thing I'd want to happen is a bidding war between you and the dnzoom guys, kerching, kerching, kerching, kerching......

(The DNF Escrow was a serious suggestion)

**DotComGod** · 03-09-2008, 05:32 PM

The escrow service is in the works, but that doesn't seem to be the only issue.

I have 3 companies that want to run it for us.

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Acroplex · 03-09-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gorlov

Seems like no exclusives can vote. I don't know about others; but all comments I've seen that they can't vote has been from exclusives.
Adam wrote earlier he was looking into it.

Correct.

**DotComGod** · 03-09-2008, 05:34 PM

Voting for exclusives is bening looked at, no worries, you wil get your say.

It's weird as usergroup permissions are correct.

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**theinvestor** · 03-09-2008, 05:41 PM

Adam,

I know most online websites...not forums but more gambling related websites will have you submit copy of License and Credit card.

This is usually the best way to make sure everyone is legit. (Assuming people use credit cards to pay for the service). What we already have on the site with Verified members works perfectly too.

I think the key should be that if you are not Verified, you should not be allowed to do transactions. Individual people should not be liable for others. If you verify every member it would solve most of the problems.

If i could vote. I would vote NO. It doesn't matter if some younger people are more mature than others. The point is they are a higher risk than adults.

**tristanperry** · 03-09-2008, 05:50 PM

I'm 18 in 1 month's time, although I'm still against this.

Don't let a few bad apples ruin it for everyone else (as mentioned earlier).

EDIT: Although if this is bought in, I really hope that you keep pre-existing teenagers as members

**SonnyBurnett** · 03-09-2008, 05:51 PM

No under 18.

**DNGeeks** · 03-09-2008, 05:58 PM

I think there's going to be a big swing in the voting results onve the exclusives get to actually vote in the poll

Verification by credit card is how online verification systems typically work. Charge a unique fee per member and ask them to verify that dollar amount within x days. Their account isn't activated (or set to verified) until they have verified the dollar amount.

Or perhaps they could use the forum, but a non-verified image would appear until they do verify. And of course a telephone followup would work wonders too.

Yes that brings in cost, but that cost could be offset by the amount charged for the verification.

Using the iTrader ratings only goes so far. Some people do not deal on the forum here much and may not have any rating, yet they've been members for years. Some people have high iTrader ratings and they're relatively new.