How much is 1st place Google worth to you?

**SEO_Expert** · 01-14-2009, 04:49 PM

What if you could get (1st) first place at Google?

How much would that be worth to you?

Has anyone ever truly thought about this, and came up with a estimated value having your website listed at the top of Google search results for the keywords you want?

How much would Top 10 and Top 20 be worth for the same keywords and website?

The value would be different for every person, website, keywords, and/or keyword phrase, but the amount of value can be calculated from money saved on paid advertising expenses, and the potential of increasing sales and website profits.

**Poker** · 01-14-2009, 04:55 PM

There is one constant in all this, one thing you can count on, whatever the true value of the placements, no one will want to pay it...been there...why bother doing it for clients when you can just do it for yourself

**Banned: dn-101** · 01-14-2009, 05:04 PM

For a few years I had some of my sites at #1, #2 and #3 on Google. Cost me nothing. But the little bastard got smart very quick.

**biggedon** · 01-14-2009, 05:10 PM

i'm #1 for "blue sims"

easy to get rank...no big secret, no expert needed

**Johnn** · 01-14-2009, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by biggedon

i'm #1 for "blue sims"

easy to get rank...no big secret, no expert needed

So what is the "small secret"?

**cleverlyslick** · 01-14-2009, 06:12 PM

i'd like to know as well what's the small secret?

**biggedon** · 01-14-2009, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Johnn

So what is the "small secret"?

this ain't no secret...

meta tags

some content, with a little well placed bold text

hand coded in basic html

**south** · 01-14-2009, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by biggedon

this ain't no secret...

meta tags

some content, with a little well placed bold text

hand coded in basic html

Exactly.
Domain name, content, keywords, description.

**Johnn** · 01-14-2009, 06:31 PM

These things are basic stuffs for SEO but I think many people overlooked and try to spend money hoping they will get better results.

**biggedon** · 01-14-2009, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Johnn

These things are basic stuffs for SEO but I think many people overlooked and try to spend money hoping they will get better results.

yeh Johnn, it basic and it's old school stuff

and believe it or not...Google likes old school

all of the mass website producing tools are pissing google off, because of the lack of hands-on work

seo experts just hype-up the need for an expert to part you from your money

imo...

**south** · 01-14-2009, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by biggedon

yeh Johnn, it basic and it's old school stuff

and believe it or not...Google likes old school

all of the mass website producing tools are pissing google off, because of the lack of hands-on work

seo experts just hype-up the need for an expert to part you from your money

imo...

Agreed 110%

I have many sites, most from 1-5 pages, in the top 10 at google (and everyone that buys their results, such as AOL, etc), yahoo (and all they feed) and msn simply by sticking to these simple concepts. No 100 pages of worthless content, no linkfarms, no networking of my names, just basic html stuff with unique relevant content, thought out descriptions and keywords.

**cleverlyslick** · 01-14-2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by south

Agreed 110%

I have many sites, most from 1-5 pages, in the top 10 at google (and everyone that buys their results, such as AOL, etc), yahoo (and all they feed) and msn simply by sticking to these simple concepts. No 100 pages of worthless content, no linkfarms, no networking of my names, just basic html stuff with unique relevant content, thought out descriptions and keywords.

nice very helpful

,i have 2 questions...

1) regarding keywords, how many can i put on the site without overloading it so that they don't consider it as spam?

2) it seems google considers sitemaps as helpful for them to crawl the sites.well i made a basic html sitemap on getlaidny.com and they regarded it as an error.my question is what is the proper way to do it then?

**biggedon** · 01-14-2009, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by south

Agreed 110%

I have many sites, most from 1-5 pages, in the top 10 at google (and everyone that buys their results, such as AOL, etc), yahoo (and all they feed) and msn simply by sticking to these simple concepts. No 100 pages of worthless content, no linkfarms, no networking of my names, just basic html stuff with unique relevant content, thought out descriptions and keywords.

futhermore

the couple of sites i do own are both high ranked

the other "organic wine company" in .com is listed on first page of results

myst woman did some content for me and once i loaded, it shot up to 3rd or 4th listing on first page

and both are hosted as sub pages of urlpick.com by using url frame forwarding.

if i wasn't so lazy, i could finish my web

i got 900 more names to add

**SEO_Expert** · 01-14-2009, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Poker

There is one constant in all this, one thing you can count on, whatever the true value of the placements, no one will want to pay it...been there...why bother doing it for clients when you can just do it for yourself

I like to Help People and I Love SEO....

I truly enjoy the challenges and opportunities that search engine optimization presents, and I need to earn money.

I thought it would be a good idea to earn money helping people what I do best, which is, search engine optimization and keyword marketing. I learned from experience, so I know what feels like to be confused about SEO.

**copper** · 01-14-2009, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by biggedon

this ain't no secret...

meta tags

some content, with a little well placed bold text

hand coded in basic html

I am not trying to pick on you, but...
I am sure you already know it's little more than that.
It's all depend on keyword (search term).
How many sites are competing for that keyword.

If you are going after "mortgage", I am sure that will not be as simple as that.
How old is your site?
How often do you update?
Are your contents all original and unique?
How many legit incoming links?
What's PR for site that link to your site?
What is your site PR?
Keyword within domain name?
Keyword within site title?
Keyword within head title?
Keyword within content?
Relevant keywords within content?
How many relevant pages with relevant keywords?

It goes on and on...

However, as you said, Google like basic stuff.
Many try to out smart Google (Black hat), but, that only work for short time.

It takes time and effort to be on first page of Google for any decent keywords.

It doesn't take much effort at all if there aren't much competition for given keyword.

For example...
I am on #2 out of 328,000 pages for "mind orgasm" without quote for long time.
#1 out of 12,000 pages for "mind orgasm" with quote for long time.
That site barely has any content.
I made that bare site just trying to prove importance of "Domain name".

If you look at source code...
It doesn't even have any meta tags.
Hell, it doesn't even close head section (you don't see </head>).
Some say don't use table as it's bad for SEO and it's using it.

It's all based on competition.

**south** · 01-14-2009, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by cleverlyslick

nice very helpful

,i have 2 questions...

1) regarding keywords, how many can i put on the site without overloading it so that they don't consider it as spam?

2) it seems google considers sitemaps as helpful for them to crawl the sites.well i made a basic html sitemap on getlaidny.com and they regarded it as an error.my question is what is the proper way to do it then?

1: Not sure what the correct answer is to this, but I try to keep it to 10-15 keywords/keyphrases, normally, 15-20 words for the description as well. It works for me.

2: I personally don't bother with sitemaps on the smaller sites, only for the ones with dynamic content (forums). If you DO make a sitemap for a smaller html site, set it to revisit less freqently, like every 6 months or once a year, unless you plan on updating it fequently.

**HarveyJ** · 01-14-2009, 09:02 PM

How is it that no one has mentioned Anchor text yet?

If you're in a field that's fairly competitive, correct meta tags and good coding, with a keyword rich domain name, it's not going to work unless you've got some linkage going on.

Backlinks from sites that have a decent rank are a huge part of SEO.
There's a reason why backlinking services are expensive, and people can charge a premium for automated tools that post your link about here and there.

Hell, I have a few domains that don't even rank in the top #10 when I look them up because someone's been using that as the anchor text.

**cleverlyslick** · 01-14-2009, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by HarveyJ

How is it that no one has mentioned Anchor text yet?

Backlinks from sites that have a decent rank are a huge part of SEO.

do i ask the sites to place a link of my site on their site? how does it work?

**copper** · 01-14-2009, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by HarveyJ

How is it that no one has mentioned Anchor text yet?

If you're in a field that's fairly competitive, correct meta tags and good coding, with a keyword rich domain name, it's not going to work unless you've got some linkage going on.

Backlinks from sites that have a decent rank are a huge part of SEO.
There's a reason why backlinking services are expensive, and people can charge a premium for automated tools that post your link about here and there.

Hell, I have a few domains that don't even rank in the top #10 when I look them up because someone's been using that as the anchor text.

This is correct.
I just didn't want to get into real details although
I did mention incoming links and PR of those sites.

If you are competing for top keyword such as mortgage...
Don't go after "mortgage" to much in the beginning as it won't do much good.
On home page - target "mortgage" with some relevant keywords.

Other pages - go after "long tail keyword" such as...
How to get mortgage real easy
How to get low mortgage rate or even...
Learn how to get very low mortgage rate easy.

Not many people will search "Learn how to get very low mortgage rate easy", so...
Not many site will go after that keyword.
That will be easy to get on #1 for that keyword.
Once you do that, put link to home page from that page.

Do that over and over with other pages for different keywords related to "mortgage".

Get backlinks with anchor text for that exact keywords just as "HarveyJ" mentioned.

It will take lots of time and effort, but, it's certainly possible.

Originally Posted by cleverlyslick

do i ask the sites to place a link of my site on their site? how does it work?

Just asking won't do you any good most of time unless your contents are so amazing.
In that case, they will seek you out and ask for your permission

Other than that, you have to pay good $ for it and it's not cheap.

**south** · 01-14-2009, 09:56 PM

Copper & Harvey are correct also. Competition is very important. It's much easier to be number 1 of 100 than number 1 of 10 million. Choose your keywords carefully. And your domain names.

Places like:

http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/...tion-tool.html
https://adwords.google.com/select/Ke...?defaultView=2
https://adwords.google.com/select/Tr...timatorSandbox
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#

Are all good places to get ideas.

And just because a keyword or keyphrase doesn't get a lot of searches does not mean it's a bad thing. It can be good especially if it's a high paying keyword (financials, insurance, legal, etc). And it's easier to get ranked with less competition (if developed, not parked). It only takes 100 $1 clicks to make $100. And so on... There are many angles.