Be Aware! LLLL.com's SCAMMER around. - DNForum - Domain Sales, Domain Forum, Domain Appraisals, Domain Registrars

**EG.domains** · 01-30-2008, 01:51 AM

LLLL.com Sellers & Holders .. Please be aware!

There is a scammer who will/might contact your domains whois email and he will offer to buy some of your LLLL.com domains. After receiving the domains he will open a Paypal dispute or he is already using stolen Paypal account.

He scammed me on 5 domains and another NP member on 9 domains .. also, two other members reported that he contacted them too. All that happened today only.

Emails he used :

kevnospam@aol.com
kevdomain@yahoo.com
iggymorris@gmail.com
r1gsxr@yahoo.com

Please Be Careful!!!

**DomainName** · 01-30-2008, 01:56 AM

Just sold him a CCC.com with immediate payment. I will see if he opens a dispute. Thanks for the heads up.

**24HourDomainer** · 01-30-2008, 01:59 AM

Thanks for the update... i hope we find his true idendity

**EG.domains** · 01-30-2008, 02:09 AM

Posted on another forum about this issue .. this might help later :

Quote:

Did some digging, heres what I found so far:

xxxx

A post on DP by a user named Kevnospam (banned), asking for an appraisal for the domain PayMass.com

PayMass.com is owned by:

Whois Record

Registrant:
Dorobantu Marian
bd tomis nr 68
Constanta, Constanta 8700
Romania

Did a bit more digging for this name and found another related scam thread on NP from Nov..

xxxxx

PS: Mods, if linking to other forums is allowed .. Please feel free to remove the links.

**slimpickins** · 01-30-2008, 02:09 AM

Contacted me as well about a bulk deal. i had a funny feeling and told him that, for both our safety, to please make his offer over the forum via pm or post, so there would be some level of 'identity' and credibility. havent heard back! thanks for the heads up and hope you get your names back! SP

**Akhil** · 01-30-2008, 03:19 AM

He also opened a dispute on paypal for my domains 03L.COM and 03N.COM
I would request fellow members to help me regarding this.

I have already shifted the domains to him, please advise what I can do about this, he sent me 700USD Payment and then opened a dispute with paypal.

Akhil

**Yaadoo** · 01-30-2008, 03:51 AM

Thanks for the heads up. Anyone we can knows any tricks to research these ppl please due so. Find all the info you can and post them on the web.

Banned: 9MM · 01-30-2008, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaadoo

Thanks for the heads up. Anyone we can knows any tricks to research these ppl please due so. Find all the info you can and post them on the web.

Just Google their e-mail / paypal e-mail when they send payment, ask them questions like what domains they own, Google the domain, whois the domain to match e-mail, etc. Most is common sense. If dealing in a larger size deal with someone who randomly contacts you and offers PayPal, get them to use escrow. Bet you it wouldn't be hard to find a guy willing to pay $900 for "0xq.com" with their stolen account, right?

**BANNEDfromTV** · 01-30-2008, 04:01 AM

Provided that the Paypal account he's using is his then the Paypal Dispute Resolution does not cover intangible items. Therefore Paypal should not refund the money.

When you respond to the dispute with tracking informtion input that the item was an "intangible item" in the field requested and put the full informtion in the 'other' box.
Then I suggest everyone who has been scammed club together and email Paypal on behalf of all your accounts and alert them to this individual and request that they take immediate action against this individual.

I hope this helps.

**greatdomainz** · 01-30-2008, 04:06 AM

He attempted the same thing on me with one of my LLLL's last night.

Fortunately - it ended with "sedo escrow, or escrow.com".

This guy's been busy.

Banned: 9MM · 01-30-2008, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatdomainz

He attempted the same thing on me with one of my LLLL's last night.

Fortunately - it ended with "sedo escrow, or escrow.com".

This guy's been busy.

Smartest decision possible. I wonder how many e-mail's I would have got if I updated the contact info on my thousands of LLLL's that I had at EuroDNS a few weeks ago

**Ashaw** · 01-30-2008, 04:09 AM

When making a payment or accepting a payment.. Always make sure the payment is marked as a service, or intangable good. Telling paypal this may not do much good if the payment was sent as a tangable purchase.

Banned: 9MM · 01-30-2008, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashaw

When making a payment or accepting a payment.. Always make sure the payment is marked as a service, or intangable good. Telling paypal this may not do much good if the payment was sent as a tangable purchase.

That does not always help because if it is a stolen cc or account then you still get chargebacked.

Solution? Avoid PayPal completely!

**cybertonic** · 01-30-2008, 04:19 AM

Maybe the solution if you don't want to use an esrow service is at least have the buyer sign and fax back a domain sale form. This way you can present the document to Paypal and win the dispute.

Banned: 9MM · 01-30-2008, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybertonic

Maybe the solution if you don't want to use an esrow service is at least have the buyer sign and fax back a domain sale form. This way you can present the document to Paypal and win the dispute.

That is an option but if the amount is smaller, not everyone would take their time to do so, even if they are legit. I really think paypal should change the way they work. Is it that hard to tweak their system? When someone who just joined Paypal a week ago charges back $700 on a guy who has been a member for 5 years and has had over $100, 000 in outgoing and incoming money, why side with the newbie? You usually can't get away with doing chargebacks to places like GoDaddy so why should it be different with people? Right...?

**Akhil** · 01-30-2008, 06:27 AM

Having lost 700USD on two names, I have asked my registrars GoDaddy and Name.Com to act on this... Will this help? What else should I be doing? Thanks for your support in advance...
Akhil

**EG.domains** · 01-30-2008, 06:35 AM

Some of his domains :

Canadawallet.com
Dieforcash.com
Fep.name
Masspayment.net
Orderbulk.net
Paybycent.com
Paybymoney.com
Paygp.com
Paymass.com
Pokergeneraltalk.com
Sexismylife.net
Pokerwish.net
Uswallet.com

His Digg account : http://digg.com/users/r1gsxr

His Yahoo Messenger photo

**Ashaw** · 01-30-2008, 06:36 AM

Find out where the closest Paypal office is to you.

Banned: 9MM · 01-30-2008, 06:37 AM

r1gsxr is something to do with bikes, likely related to that bike.

**EG.domains** · 01-30-2008, 06:46 AM

Okie , and now i found his own forum

After more and more evidences .. This ~~guy~~ is definitely (should be a girl in this case) :

Name: Marian, Dorobantu
Address: bd tomis nr 68
City/State: Constanta, Constanta
Zip code: 8700
Country: Romania
Tel: 721328329

01-30-2008, 01:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
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01-30-2008, 01:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
DomainName Live, Eat, Breathe Names Last Online: Yesterday 09:22 PM iTrader: (19) Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 804 DNF$: 72 Country:	Just sold him a CCC.com with immediate payment. I will see if he opens a dispute. Thanks for the heads up. __________________ My Countdown Counting down to: Until a new year 52 days 19 hours 35 minutes

01-30-2008, 01:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
24HourDomainer Failure Is Not An Option! Last Online: Today 02:18 AM iTrader: (40) Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,308 DNF$: 4,623	Thanks for the update... i hope we find his true idendity __________________ Buy and Sell Domains Make money from your domains! Discount Domain Club

01-30-2008, 02:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
slimpickins Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Denver Last Online: Today 02:02 AM iTrader: (19) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 137 DNF$: 60	Contacted me as well about a bulk deal. i had a funny feeling and told him that, for both our safety, to please make his offer over the forum via pm or post, so there would be some level of 'identity' and credibility. havent heard back! thanks for the heads up and hope you get your names back! SP __________________

01-30-2008, 03:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
Akhil Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Akhil Last Online: 11-07-2009 02:14 PM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 443 DNF$: 154	He also opened a dispute on paypal for my domains 03L.COM and 03N.COM I would request fellow members to help me regarding this. I have already shifted the domains to him, please advise what I can do about this, he sent me 700USD Payment and then opened a dispute with paypal. Akhil __________________ Love Punjab 7UY World Forums

01-30-2008, 03:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
Yaadoo Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-04-2009 01:00 AM iTrader: (23) Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 360 DNF$: 100 Location: Vancouver Country:	Thanks for the heads up. Anyone we can knows any tricks to research these ppl please due so. Find all the info you can and post them on the web. __________________ Domaining is a Real Business

01-30-2008, 04:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
BANNEDfromTV Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Kirk Last Online: 01-28-2009 01:29 PM iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 68 DNF$: 0 Location: UK Country:	Provided that the Paypal account he's using is his then the Paypal Dispute Resolution does not cover intangible items. Therefore Paypal should not refund the money. When you respond to the dispute with tracking informtion input that the item was an "intangible item" in the field requested and put the full informtion in the 'other' box. Then I suggest everyone who has been scammed club together and email Paypal on behalf of all your accounts and alert them to this individual and request that they take immediate action against this individual. I hope this helps.

01-30-2008, 04:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
greatdomainz Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Don Last Online: 11-02-2009 01:50 PM iTrader: (12) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 120 DNF$: 109 Country:	He attempted the same thing on me with one of my LLLL's last night. Fortunately - it ended with "sedo escrow, or escrow.com". This guy's been busy. __________________ . ... .

01-30-2008, 04:09 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ashaw Name: Andrew Shaw Last Online: 10-30-2009 01:03 AM iTrader: (99) Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,454 DNF$: 324 Location: Maryland Country:	When making a payment or accepting a payment.. Always make sure the payment is marked as a service, or intangable good. Telling paypal this may not do much good if the payment was sent as a tangable purchase. __________________ Domain Research Tool Save $120 off your order with this link! Find Traffic Domain names with ease!

01-30-2008, 04:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
cybertonic DNF Regular Last Online: 11-07-2009 05:28 PM iTrader: (21) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 811 DNF$: 1,493 Location: .	Maybe the solution if you don't want to use an esrow service is at least have the buyer sign and fax back a domain sale form. This way you can present the document to Paypal and win the dispute. __________________ Domaining.com --- It's about making money with domain names.

01-30-2008, 06:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
Akhil Platinum Lifetime Member Name: Akhil Last Online: 11-07-2009 02:14 PM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 443 DNF$: 154	Having lost 700USD on two names, I have asked my registrars GoDaddy and Name.Com to act on this... Will this help? What else should I be doing? Thanks for your support in advance... Akhil __________________ Love Punjab 7UY World Forums

01-30-2008, 06:35 AM	#17 (permalink)
EG.domains GenericDomainMarket.com Name: Sameh Last Online: 10-28-2009 09:37 AM iTrader: (76) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,421 DNF$: 308	Some of his domains : Canadawallet.com Dieforcash.com Fep.name Masspayment.net Orderbulk.net Paybycent.com Paybymoney.com Paygp.com Paymass.com Pokergeneraltalk.com Sexismylife.net Pokerwish.net Uswallet.com His Digg account : http://digg.com/users/r1gsxr His Yahoo Messenger photo __________________ oaio.com & disappears.com for sale! Generic & Premium Domains

01-30-2008, 06:36 AM	#18 (permalink)
Ashaw Name: Andrew Shaw Last Online: 10-30-2009 01:03 AM iTrader: (99) Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,454 DNF$: 324 Location: Maryland Country:	Find out where the closest Paypal office is to you. __________________ Domain Research Tool Save $120 off your order with this link! Find Traffic Domain names with ease!

01-30-2008, 06:37 AM	#19 (permalink)
Banned: 9MM Canadian Emcee Last Online: 03-09-2008 09:17 PM iTrader: (13) Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 857 DNF$: 2,028 Location: Ontario Country:	r1gsxr is something to do with bikes, likely related to that bike.

01-30-2008, 06:46 AM	#20 (permalink)
EG.domains GenericDomainMarket.com Name: Sameh Last Online: 10-28-2009 09:37 AM iTrader: (76) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,421 DNF$: 308	Okie , and now i found his own forum After more and more evidences .. This ~~guy~~ is definitely (should be a girl in this case) : Name: Marian, Dorobantu Address: bd tomis nr 68 City/State: Constanta, Constanta Zip code: 8700 Country: Romania Tel: 721328329 __________________ oaio.com & disappears.com for sale! Generic & Premium Domains

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