Domainers Collectively are Screwing themselves Over!

[Yaadoo]

With the Recent boom of the LLLL.com everyone is looking new opportunities to invest in the so call next boom.

We got a whole bunch of people going after the LLL.in market which is all bought out, the NNNNN.com which is also all bought out and now there`s people talking about an LLLL.net buyout, NNN.co.in buyout, LLL.co.in buyout, Premium LLLLL.com buyou and even some premium LLLL.org buyout.

Honestly, guys wake the frick up. I`m speaking on the behalf of all domainers. We are just collectively dumping all our money and giving it to those large domain register with all these buyouts. What happens with the buyouts? Most of the time you just trade amongst yourself hoping it will boom but chances is the it will just collapse when people renewal year starts to come around.

So many people are just putting too much money into markets it doesn`t weight out in terms of risk to return. Your 10 fold return with LLL.co.in will never happen, at least not in the next 10 years unless India conquers the world. And even then you won`t get it. Look at what happen to .cn with growing china and huge population. It went no where, and even .us is not worth that much. LLL.us has been up for so long and they are selling for like 40-50 min wholesale. How much do you think LLL.in or LLL.co.in could sustain? The whole market is driven by unlogical optimism due to the LLLL.com.

LLLL.com buyout was logical, NNNN.com buy was logical, its .com. Number 1 extention by far, it`s global, cheap to reg, eveyrone even outside of the domaining industry knows about it and has lots of end users.

Honestly people, if you want get into a boom, Premium LLLL.net is acceptable, NNNNN.com is acceptable(read up more about this, you`ll be surprised at it`s potentional unrealized by many still now)

But LLL.co.in, NNN.co.in, LLLL.org or random thinking of a completely buyout of LLLL.net including random ones and expect it to boom is nonsense. It will not sustain itself with the reg fees. Not for the current foreseeable future that is.

[1nspire]

I am certainly no expert but I always wondered just how many quality domains would be available if there was no domaining going on. Out of all the registered domains, what percentage are domainers? In my opinion its the domainers that keep registrars in business. If it wasn't then Network Solutions would still be king and GoDaddy would be the poor mans registrar.

Personally domains are a lot like real estate and the term has been coined cyber real estate for this reason. I think it is good business to anticipate a move by the masses. But falsely creating a move will be very risky and then domains will become more like a stock than real estate. Buyouts imo cause false value and it should level off in time.

There is no problem jumping the spike either but there is more risk. Outside of .com every other new extension may very well hinging on domainers to create the initial success.

An example is I have a brother that is a toy collector. I have gone to shows and expos with him before and we talked to a toy manufacturer once and he stated that they purposely create toy lines targeted towards collectors and create the shortages of certain colors and styles for the only reason to boost the release of a new line.

[Banned: theinvestor]

Yaadoo,

Most other extensions will have value eventually, but you are right. Most of the prices are only inflated because of domainers buying them. As a canuck...you didn't mention anything about .ca's ..what is your opinion?

1nspire - Intellectual property

[biggedon]

it's really about supply, demand and hype


as more people "wanna be" domainers

then you need more domains for them to register...

while maintaining the hope of profits

[Banned: theinvestor]

Agreed biggedon. Well said sir

[CyrusL]

Renewal fees will punish those who make mistakes. The market will work itself out.

[Yaadoo]

That`s what I`m saying. Think about it, we domains pour out money and it stays in the industry. Whether if it`s 100 domains or 1000 domains. Just with 1000 domains we have to pay 10 times more of reg fee and renewal to those company and results in less money in the domain industry but more for the domain registers.

I only made this thread cause I feel that this is getting too far and retarded. People started reging LLLL.net due to success of LLLL.com. Ok this is justify about. NNNNN.com ok fair enough, it has potential and end user base to sustain the prices. But once the prices starts to go up for them some dumb people decide to go for another extention or another market and start regging because they all wished that they bought lots of LLLL.com before it`s start booming. And many of the domains that are being speculated are extremely risky and chance of success is very low. Even if it increase it`s just temporary. So I just find it plain dumb right now.

As for .ca you asked. Hmmm, I think .ca is a safer bet, it`s probably not going to double up anytime soon, but won`t drop like a rock like .co.in, and even maybe .in when renewal comes for around.

What is going to happen when renewal comes around is 2 things. 1 more than normal dropped domains, and 2 much more sales going around because people want to avoid the reg fee. And the market will be flooded and it will tank and will never recover like LLLL.com because LLL.in and .co.in I don`t believe has any real value.

Go for NNNNN.com or Premium LLLL.net. Sure they are not as cheap as reg fee now but they are a much safer bet, has more potential for both the short and long run.

[robmac]

Your posts has a few holes in it. for instance; India, as well as china WILL Be a global force in less than 10 years thus making premium domains worth keeping hold of and selling on at a later date.

domaining is trial and error, not a true science. I lot of domain buying and selling is just hype. people want to buy as they dont want to get left behind. Take LLLL.coms, the reason that there was a surge in buying and selling was the fact that domainers are the ones buying them and then they were selling to........................other domainers. the market got ultra hyped and then people figured out it was "the emporers new clothes"

I also agree with biggedon as its all about "demand" whether its a .in or a .com - people want to buy then there will always be a seller.

I dont think reg fees come into any varibles even if you have 10000 domains to pay reg fees on as its a splash in the ocean compared to the possibles in flipping them.

[ArjunDhawan]

Renewal fees will punish those who make mistakes. The market will work itself out.

Well put.

Your posts has a few holes in it. for instance; India, as well as china WILL Be a global force in less than 10 years thus making premium domains worth keeping hold of and selling on at a later date.

domaining is trial and error, not a true science. I lot of domain buying and selling is just hype. people want to buy as they dont want to get left behind. Take LLLL.coms, the reason that there was a surge in buying and selling was the fact that domainers are the ones buying them and then they were selling to........................other domainers. the market got ultra hyped and then people figured out it was "the emporers new clothes"

I also agree with biggedon as its all about "demand" whether its a .in or a .com - people want to buy then there will always be a seller.

I dont think reg fees come into any varibles even if you have 10000 domains to pay reg fees on as its a splash in the ocean compared to the possibles in flipping them. ____________

Very true, and very apt.

[draggar]

Renewal fees will punish those who make mistakes. The market will work itself out.

I've been punished too much lately. :(

[Yaadoo]

Your posts has a few holes in it. for instance; India, as well as china WILL Be a global force in less than 10 years thus making premium domains worth keeping hold of and selling on at a later date.

First of all I don't see them as being bigger than US, at least not in 10 years, but they are catching up. If you look at .us and where it is not. It's been out for quite a while and Sry to say after all the hype and it found it's stable price, Min LLL.us is only at like 45-50ish.

Plus if you think that your looking at this in a long term thing. Then go for it when it's actually coming not like 10 years earlier and pay 10 years worth of fees. The goal is to put your money in places that will boom shortly, not put them in places were it will get your money stuck for 10 years before anything happens. So if you say .in or .cn will be worth lots in 10 years, then get them on the 9th year when they are still low, but not now. I don't think trying to buy out all these .in or .co.in is logical.

And keep in mind about what happened to .us. USA is big now and .us ain't doing too great.

[hugegrowth]

the reason .us is slow to catch on in the US is because when the internet rolled out there years ago, everybody was buying .com's for websites. So .com caught on first and all the good stuff has been bought up.

.us is an example of a country code slow to be adopted. Look at .de, .co.uk, .cn, .es, .ca and so on. Country code domains do very well in many countries, and I think that will continue to be the case.

Now, move over to India where internet penetration is low now but climbing fast. The .com names people would want over there are long gone now, held by domainers or developed into sites. The .in and .co.in are what will be used the most over there, so there will be a market for it. Not .com prices, but definitely opportunities to make good profits. It will be the same situation .ca is in Canada, or better.

I agree if buyouts start to happen for LLLL.org and LLLLL.com then it's a bit past my understanding. I can see reasoning in a LLL.co.in and NNN.co.in buyout because of how few of these domains there are, and India's population/economic growth.

[biggedon]

buying generic domains with a roi of 10yrs is a deal, if they get traffic and revenue

what a name makes today, it could make double or more next year



you can tell others what to buy or what not to buy....but will they listen?

no

once they are caught-up in the hype and frenzy it's too late

[Yaadoo]

True, when they get caught up in the frenzy they are blinded by it. Well if a name can make double then get it. But I think what we meant was that we are predicting it will start doubling or trippling 10 years down the road. In which case I say get in on it on the 9th year.

[hugegrowth]

But by the time the 9th year rolls around it's too late.

[Yaadoo]

Well depends on what you think. I'm just saying this based on the assumption of the other guy. You think LLL.in or LLL.co.in going to double or triple next year, fine go for it.

But I highly doubt it. I don't see it happening in the near future.

[Stian]

With the Recent boom of the LLLL.com everyone is looking new opportunities to invest in the so call next boom.

We got a whole bunch of people going after the LLL.in market which is all bought out, the NNNNN.com which is also all bought out and now there`s people talking about an LLLL.net buyout, NNN.co.in buyout, LLL.co.in buyout, Premium LLLLL.com buyou and even some premium LLLL.org buyout.

Honestly, guys wake the frick up. I`m speaking on the behalf of all domainers. We are just collectively dumping all our money and giving it to those large domain register with all these buyouts. What happens with the buyouts? Most of the time you just trade amongst yourself hoping it will boom but chances is the it will just collapse when people renewal year starts to come around.

So many people are just putting too much money into markets it doesn`t weight out in terms of risk to return. Your 10 fold return with LLL.co.in will never happen, at least not in the next 10 years unless India conquers the world. And even then you won`t get it. Look at what happen to .cn with growing china and huge population. It went no where, and even .us is not worth that much. LLL.us has been up for so long and they are selling for like 40-50 min wholesale. How much do you think LLL.in or LLL.co.in could sustain? The whole market is driven by unlogical optimism due to the LLLL.com.

LLLL.com buyout was logical, NNNN.com buy was logical, its .com. Number 1 extention by far, it`s global, cheap to reg, eveyrone even outside of the domaining industry knows about it and has lots of end users.

Honestly people, if you want get into a boom, Premium LLLL.net is acceptable, NNNNN.com is acceptable(read up more about this, you`ll be surprised at it`s potentional unrealized by many still now)

But LLL.co.in, NNN.co.in, LLLL.org or random thinking of a completely buyout of LLLL.net including random ones and expect it to boom is nonsense. It will not sustain itself with the reg fees. Not for the current foreseeable future that is.

I think I agree with every single word you've written here.

[robmac]

First of all I don't see them as being bigger than US, at least not in 10 years, but they are catching up. If you look at .us and where it is not. It's been out for quite a while and Sry to say after all the hype and it found it's stable price, Min LLL.us is only at like 45-50ish.

Plus if you think that your looking at this in a long term thing. Then go for it when it's actually coming not like 10 years earlier and pay 10 years worth of fees. The goal is to put your money in places that will boom shortly, not put them in places were it will get your money stuck for 10 years before anything happens. So if you say .in or .cn will be worth lots in 10 years, then get them on the 9th year when they are still low, but not now. I don't think trying to buy out all these .in or .co.in is logical.

And keep in mind about what happened to .us. USA is big now and .us ain't doing too great.

I am talking about the global economy not just a just domain extensions, its all in context.

Are you telling me that asia will not be a dominant econmic force in 10 years time? aisa includes china, india, korea, japan, pakistan etc?? there is not one ecomonist that thinks the U.S. will be the global number 1 in 10 years time.

China is already buying up u.s. and u.k companys like i buy burgers.

if you put this in relation to domains, .asia will be stronger than .us no problem.

and I also think longterm. 10 * $6 is $60, i nice generic $10,000 i can live with that

[bludex]

the reason .us is slow to catch on in the US is because when the internet rolled out there years ago, everybody was buying .com's for websites. So .com caught on first and all the good stuff has been bought up.

.us is an example of a country code slow to be adopted. Look at .de, .co.uk, .cn, .es, .ca and so on. Country code domains do very well in many countries, and I think that will continue to be the case.

Now, move over to India where internet penetration is low now but climbing fast. The .com names people would want over there are long gone now, held by domainers or developed into sites. The .in and .co.in are what will be used the most over there, so there will be a market for it. Not .com prices, but definitely opportunities to make good profits. It will be the same situation .ca is in Canada, or better.

I agree if buyouts start to happen for LLLL.org and LLLLL.com then it's a bit past my understanding. I can see reasoning in a LLL.co.in and NNN.co.in buyout because of how few of these domains there are, and India's population/economic growth.

I think the world's getting smarter and we live in glorious times regarding this, not a last because of the internet.
Likewise the domainer's investment strategies are advancing and everybody has to follow or be left behind.
Then we are beginning to see big capital investing in domain names... Domainers trading beneath themselves are distributing money spent in anticipation of big gains in the future (to be made by domaining). A significant amount of this money we can assume comes from domainers already having made some big bucks and investing in future big bucks.
On the other side there are smaller cycles of changing business models like portfolio and brand development, affiliate sites, PPC revenue, parking... IMO nothing can reflect more about the mind and the pockets of internet users and especially consumers.
Domains are adresses giving unique identities. .com may be representing the internet, also being a symbol of global unity with english defacto being the world language - not at last thanks to the internet.
A buyout in some .com not only means you can to switch to other TLDs to find equal opportunities. It means a part of the limited namespace of bandable names being gone and probably be much harder to defend or build up in other TLDs.

It will be interesting to see global diversity increasing when other than english namespaces are mixing up beneath each other. That will be the future. It sounds colorful to me.

OK I didn't say IDN but that's another chapter.

[domainstock]

Are you kidding? What do you think 80-90% of this business is??????? Domainers. It's like any other collecting business or stock market speculation. It's land rush speculation thats what makes the business world go round. You think you r gonna stop it? That's like saying don't buy property cuz there won't be any left and the escrow office is going to make all the money. The difference is you have to pay for regs. Do you ever get a decent offer for your domains from a private party wanting to buy one of your domains? They have not got a clue as to what domains go for. Most of them want to give you $20-$50.00. It's the domainer developers that pay the going rates.