Muslim Extremism!!!!!???

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What is going on with this nonsense???

Until 1 or 2 years ago I was all for "each to their own" and had no opinion either way on the subject..

But now I think the muslims are getting out of hand and beyond control.. Saw some halfwit muslim heckling our defence secretary on the news today... I'm in the UK.... the halfwit muslim I mention was not even a "real" muslim... he was a jamaican who converted to Islam.... These converts are the worst as far as I'm concerned....

I am one of the most tolerant guys ever, and if even I am getting pissed off with these muslim fundamentalists, it's only a matter of time before the backlash happens right across Europe (I can't speak for the US cos I'm not there)...

There are fundamentalists here in the UK that want Sharia law above our own judicial system???? I mean, how arrogant can they get....

It's no surprise to me that the neo nazi movement is massively increasing in western Europe... (Especially Germany and UK)

Note to mods... Don't lack some balls and delete this thread... too much politically correct nonsense happens elsewhere... leave it to see the response.. good or bad, but it needs discussed

[Chacal]

1- "But now I think the muslims are getting out of hand.."
I believe that you should say some muslims, not muslims in general.

2- "Saw some halfwit muslim heckling our defence secretary on the news
today.."
What happened to people´s right of free speech. Tony blair
is heckled on a daily basis and I didn´t hear him complain about it.

3- "These converts are the worst as far as I'm concerned..."
I agree with you on this point. These converts follow some nutt heads
that they call themselves Mullas, and in the UK you have abundancy of
them, been there and saw them.

4- "There are fundamentalists here in the UK that want Sharia law above our
own judicial system..."
Not only in the UK, but they want to implement Sharia (and I mean their
own Sharia) everywhere that they could reach, and their interpretation of
Sharia is way out of hand and radical in my opinion.

Finally, I believe that the media in general, shows muslims as extremists, terrorist, killers,......etc but I guarantee to you that muslims are like all other people, there is the good and the bad but thanks to this dic*head bin laden, all eyes are on the bad.

cheers

[GT Web]

Note to mods... Don't lack some balls and delete this thread... too much politically correct nonsense happens elsewhere... leave it to see the response.. good or bad, but it needs discussed

Although I somewhat agree with your statements, this has to be the poorest written and argued post I have seen in a long time.

[Duckinla]

In the Christian community we worry about extremists killing an abortion doctor. In the muslim community abortion is not even a consideration. For centuries we have turned a blind eye to the fact that they will commonly beat a woman for showing too much ankle, kill her for getting raped. Now that they've come for us we finally wake up to the danger? That's not called being tolerant, it's called being naive. Thanks for finally waking up to the danger though. Us "neo-cons" could use a little help in this war that has been declared on all free people.

I don't think you have to look for "extremism". The everyday activities are enough. If the everyday behaviors in Muslim nations were taking place in, say, Utah, we would send in the National guard and put a whole bunch of people in prison.

[GT Web]

If the everyday behaviors in Muslim nations were taking place in, say, Utah, we would send in the National guard and put a whole bunch of people in prison.

Right, but the unfortunate thing is this happens in other sovereign countries, which, as much as they hate America, don't have the resources to use WMD's.

And unless you are in REAL and IMMINENT danger of being attacked by other nation, you have no right to invade that country because of how it is treating its own citizens.

[Bayu]

For centuries we have turned a blind eye to the fact that they will commonly beat a woman for showing too much ankle, kill her for getting raped.

Really?
I'm a moslem....and we dont do those things here ... :confused_smile:

beat a woman for showing too much ankle, kill her for getting raped...is more about the local ancient barbaric (out of date) 'culture', it has nothing to do with the Islam religion.

We are just normal civilized people here...

Peace.......

[H2FC]

Other peace loving religions worldwide will always have a bad view of muslins in general until the muslin leaders come out in strong force and excommunicate (or do whatever they call it) to separate themselves from the bad apples in their group. So far as I know this has never been done by the leaders and a majority of the muslin population. Instead of doing this, the good muslins tend to condone and overlook the sins of their "brothers". I remember reading somewhere that the muslin religion prohibits fellow muslins from condeming others in their group no matter what they do. If this is true we're heading for WWIII in my humble opinion.

[commandercody]

I hear somthing in the news a couple days ago about some extremists cutting off a 13 year old girls head and sewing a dog's head where her's once was.

This is the type of enemy not dealt with since the dark ages. Even the christians had their dark hour too, crusades and many others, .

Most of this situation now happening has to do with once simple human emotion, "Pride"; american and it's western allies are seen as imperialists, pushing their "freedom" and "democracy" on other countries. Have they ever considered people enjoy being oppressed?

Democratic Civilizations are also considered controlling too, the truth is um, we are; churchill imagined a world where the U.S., Britian, Russia, and China were the World Police Force, that kept smaller countries from getting out of hand and starting useless wars. The ultimate insult to them though is western civilization's calling the shots in muslim countries. It's seen more as and occuption than anything else.

Ok, this feels more like a blog and not a forum in a domaining site, so i'll leave the thoughts there.

[Creature]

Don't forget the extreme views and extreme actions of Blair and Bush.

They appear to have invaded a foreign country and killed 1000's of innocent civilians based on a pack of lies.

[Matt_H]

I'm all free for free speech and all but the 'How dare you come to muslim area' comment completly uncalled for, this is England and we can come and go where we want, espicially when the home secrety was there to help BOND the relations with muslims.

[Duckinla]

Right, but the unfortunate thing is this happens in other sovereign countries, which, as much as they hate America, don't have the resources to use WMD's.

And unless you are in REAL and IMMINENT danger of being attacked by other nation, you have no right to invade that country because of how it is treating its own citizens.

What kind of time frame would qualify as "Imminent"? Would 5 years ago for the U.S., 3 years ago for Spain and 2 years ago for London qualify as Imminent? Would "on a daily basis throughout the world" qualify as imminent. If you don't think the war is already underway, you're missing something. No, it's not nations that do the attacking, it's people within those nations.

[scottle]

The following was sent to me. This speech was in Australia this month. Here is how they are dealing with extremists.--

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted
radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister
John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir
apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked
to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular
state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your
values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a
theocratic
state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another
the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary
law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law
and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices
it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave,
he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move
to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values
should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians,
and who don't
want, to live by Australian values and understand them,
well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday
by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It
Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks
on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that
our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor
do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming
to Australia " "However, there are a few things that those who have
recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to
understand." "This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has
served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as
Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language
and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society .. Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,
political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as
your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then
you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep
your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will
allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

[David G]

Don't forget the extreme views and extreme actions of Blair and Bush. They appear to have invaded a foreign country and killed 1000's of innocent civilians based on a pack of lies.

The thing people like you fail to comprehend is there is a vast difference between war (for whatever reason it started) and its mostly unintentional collateral civilian death and damage vs an Islamic Facist Terrorist who deliberately blows himself up (or flies jetliners) and kills innocents including women and children, something Christians and Jews (and other world religions except Islam) would not do deliberately.

It's amazing some people do not understand the vast difference between that and the Islamics who are mostly cowards when it comes to normal warfare and have the main goal of targeting civilians with terrorist attacks. It's incredible Muslim parents when interviewed in the media always say they are in favor of their own kids blowing themselves and others up. What kind of lowlife uncivilized creep parents would say such a thing, but they say it all the time, including educated Islamics.

[carlton]

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Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday
by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It
Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks
on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that
our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor
do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming
to Australia " "However, there are a few things that those who have
recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to
understand." "This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has
served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as
Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language
and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society .. Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,
political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as
your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then
you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep
your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will
allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

A powerful and persuasive statement.

[WWW.ALLTHINGS.TV]

A powerful and persuasive statement.

THIS CULTURE WAR AND ERA OF TERRORISM THAT WE LIVE IN WILL NOT END UNTIL THE WORLD, NOT JUST AMERICA & AUSTRALIA, COMES TO UNDERSTAND THAT PURE EVIL DOES EXIST IN THE WORLD TODAY, AND IT BREEDS, AND SWELLS ITS RANKS, IN THE ABYSS OF APPEASEMENT BY COWARDLY GOVERNMENTS AND THEIR PEOPLE WHO ELECT THEM INTO POWER.

MOSLEM FANDAMENTALISM/RADICALISM - NOT MOSLEMS, LET ME BE CLEAR-MOSLEM FANDAMENTALISTS, ARE THE EVIL OF TODAY. IRAN IS ITS CHAMPION AND THE REST OF THE WORLDS' MUSLIMS, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM DO NOT OPENLY SHOW THEIR DISGUST AT THE BEHAVIOUR OF THESE SUB HUMANS, GIVE THEIR TACIT APPROVAL TO SUCH VILE DEEDS.

EVEN MORE OUTRAGEOUS ARE THE NON MOSLEM MASSES IN EUROPE THAT CHERISH THEIR IGNORANCE SO MUCH, THAT THEY FIND PERVERSE PLEASURE IN OPEN DISTASTE OF EVERYTHING AMERICA STANDS FOR...THE SAME AMERICA THAT LIBERATED THESE LANDS FROM THE GRIP OF THE NAZIS....

I AM ONE VOICE THAT SAYS LOUD AND PROUD - THANK YOU AMERICA AND EVERY OTHER FREEDOM CHERISHING NATION - FOR ALL THAT YOU STAND FOR.............

[GT Web]

THIS CULTURE WAR AND ERA OF TERRORISM THAT WE LIVE IN WILL NOT END UNTIL THE WORLD, NOT JUST AMERICA & AUSTRALIA, COMES TO UNDERSTAND THAT PURE EVIL DOES EXIST IN THE WORLD TODAY, AND IT BREEDS, AND SWELLS ITS RANKS, IN THE ABYSS OF APPEASEMENT BY COWARDLY GOVERNMENTS AND THEIR PEOPLE WHO ELECT THEM INTO POWER.

MOSLEM FANDAMENTALISM/RADICALISM - NOT MOSLEMS, LET ME BE CLEAR-MOSLEM FANDAMENTALISTS, ARE THE EVIL OF TODAY. IRAN IS ITS CHAMPION AND THE REST OF THE WORLDS' MUSLIMS, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM DO NOT OPENLY SHOW THEIR DISGUST AT THE BEHAVIOUR OF THESE SUB HUMANS, GIVE THEIR TACIT APPROVAL TO SUCH VILE DEEDS.

EVEN MORE OUTRAGEOUS ARE THE NON MOSLEM MASSES IN EUROPE THAT CHERISH THEIR IGNORANCE SO MUCH, THAT THEY FIND PERVERSE PLEASURE IN OPEN DISTASTE OF EVERYTHING AMERICA STANDS FOR...THE SAME AMERICA THAT LIBERATED THESE LANDS FROM THE GRIP OF THE NAZIS....

I AM ONE VOICE THAT SAYS LOUD AND PROUD - THANK YOU AMERICA AND EVERY OTHER FREEDOM CHERISHING NATION - FOR ALL THAT YOU STAND FOR.............

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[mulligan]

Interesting in that Australia was built by immigrants and is essentially a nation of immigrants, who stole every bit of land 'they' now own and made up the rules as they went...

(An observation about the Howard rhetoric... thats all)

The following was sent to me. This speech was in Australia this month. Here is how they are dealing with extremists.--

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted
radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister
John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir
apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked
to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular
state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your
values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a
theocratic
state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another
the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary
law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law
and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices
it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave,
he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move
to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values
should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians,
and who don't
want, to live by Australian values and understand them,
well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday
by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It
Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks
on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that
our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor
do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming
to Australia " "However, there are a few things that those who have
recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to
understand." "This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has
served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as
Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language
and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society .. Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,
political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as
your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then
you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep
your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will
allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

[nWo]

Interesting in that Australia was built by immigrants and is essentially a nation of immigrants, who stole every bit of land 'they' now own and made up the rules as they went...

And all done without blowing anyone up!

[Duckinla]

Interesting in that Australia was built by immigrants and is essentially a nation of immigrants, who stole every bit of land 'they' now own and made up the rules as they went...

You could replace "Australia" in that sentence with most countries on the planet. So they should never establish rules and government because they are immigrants? Really weak arguement.
Sign me up for Australian citizenship.

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