What's the next Domain rush?

**HuntingMoon** · 06-04-2008, 08:25 PM

imho, LLLLL's

combo of domain and short code will be a home run too

**Banned: MainstreamDomains** · 06-05-2008, 03:05 AM

.a** [DOT A S S] !!!!

what??? Get Ur Mind Out The Gutter - It Stands for "Associate" :p

**tekz999** · 06-05-2008, 03:07 AM

lol
Without a doubt, CVCV+S .com, LLL .nets, NNNNN.coms, as they are way underpriced. The market has not realized their full potential yet.

**TordB** · 06-05-2008, 06:15 AM

Could someone please tell me what this LLLL.net thing is? I hear very much talk about it.

**fab** · 06-05-2008, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by TordB

Could someone please tell me what this LLLL.net thing is? I hear very much talk about it.

L is letter. LLLL.Net is four letters.net. N refers to a number. C - Consanant or character, V - Vowel.

**DNBA** · 06-05-2008, 05:42 PM

first off .asia is a total bust. the way registration went down, it seems like there are too many walls (much like china's

). It could be that i have a bad taste in my mouth due to eurodns sucking major a$$

as for the "new" ccTLD i like .me better. i think having a 4 letter tld is totally lame. esp .travel or .mobi (no offense to .mobi owners) cause whats mobile about .mobi? you have to type too many letters on a cell. ".m" would be worth it and would make more sense.

As for domainers go, we should protest new TLD's. You have to realize our products become weaker with every new TLD exposed to the market. otherwise is all of us trying to buy out the good names to secure our investments.

we need to think of our industry as real estate. The more people spread out the less valuable our real estate becomes. We are dealing with an infinite world here, so containing it as much as possible is the best hope for us. I want to see the day where you can only buy domains in a secondary market, rent domains or sell sub-domains like condos and charge HOA fees (DOA Fees/reg fees).

we all know owning a domain is like opening a store/office/home. paying 100k to open a store is not much. I think we need to place more value on our names then we currently do. ok granted that some are hitting the million dollar mark and thats great. some domains are worth it and with a butt load of traffic, even more so.

My point is that these gTLD may hurt our market and we should all be cautious about what enters the market. Cause it entirely effects all of us.

**MAllie** · 06-05-2008, 07:14 PM

I understand where you're coming from, alldrop, but, being a newbie, I think I see something you and some of the other domainers don't. Domaining is an industry that has built upon the idea of trading domain names, the extensions for which were provided so that everyone, ordinary people included, would be able to have virtual addresses at which to build their internet businesses. I think a lot of domainers, including you, talk as if it were the other way round.

Domaining is like any other kind of collecting. People collect domains the way others collect coins or stamps - as investments. But the original idea of coins and stamps was to make life more convenient for the ordinary person. The collecting has been imposed on these items, which would function perfectly well as everyday objects if there were no collectors.

I'm sure the fact that an industry has grown up around domain names brings money to governments through taxes and so on and, of course, huge numbers of people get employed by domain businesses. But the domain names do not need the speculators as much as the speculators need them. If there were no domaining there would be other ways of earning money and other employment opportunities. I think you are wrong to say that 'paying 100k to open a store is not much.' It is too much for the ordinary person in the street. Domainers have got used to talking in terms of big bucks. There is a real world out there where millions of people work for low wages in soul-destroying jobs because they have to. The life of the successful domainer (and I suspect there are not as many of those as we are led to believe) is a cakewalk compared with their's.

**damitssam** · 06-05-2008, 08:21 PM

I like the way .me is being promoted, shucks that it wasn't like the good old days of cctld land grabs, just hit f5 the day of and go reg spreeing.

**DNBA** · 06-06-2008, 08:10 PM

i think theres way too much money invested in domains in general to be called a hobby. I think once you see the light of how this industry works you will change your mind as well. And granted we are ordinary people as well that have a vision. Ive been working in the tech industry for 15 years (half of my life) and i had a 2400baud modem back then. 5 years after the internet started to really take off and your were cool if you had an email. People started to open their eyes once they saw how huge the potential the internet may have. Now people cant live without it. we depend on the internet and its here to stay. With it are domains and they dont call it the wild west for nothing. We are all pioneers waiting for people to open their eyes. Some have awaken and some are asleep.

**DomainBuyerBroker** · 06-06-2008, 08:13 PM

Right alldrop,

There will always be early adopters, most everybody then lastly come late adopters.

Videotape recorders, cellphones, Internet, whatever... always the same.

Ever hear the saying the Pioneers take the arrows? It's true.

**DNBA** · 06-06-2008, 08:19 PM

is that why microsoft is clueless?

**MAllie** · 06-07-2008, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by alldrop-com

i think theres way too much money invested in domains in general to be called a hobby.

I didn't mean that ordinary people would want domain names as a hobby, alldrop, if that's what you think. I meant the ordinary person who wants to run an internet business and takes a domain name for this purpose, rather than to add to a collection.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with domaining (why would I, when I'm buying names myself?), but just pointing out that the reason domainers are able to build an industry on domain names is that there was a quite ordinary purpose in providing them in the first place. So to suggest making them obtainable only in a secondary market (which is what I took from your original post) is not something that it makes sense, moral or commercial.

**Adonis** · 06-07-2008, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by alldrop-com

As for domainers go, we should protest new TLD's. You have to realize our products become weaker with every new TLD exposed to the market. otherwise is all of us trying to buy out the good names to secure our investments.

Being a domainer myself, i know what you mean. But since the majority of domains (mostly extremely bad ones at that) are in the hands of a relatively small group of domainers, the internet will die a slow death. It's nowadays impossible to register a good catchy name in the .com range.. even short fantasy names are now off limits. People who are not a domainer, will have to resort to really awefull domains or register one in a ccTLD located in some remote corner in the world. The domain system was not meant for a small number of gazillionairs to own all the real estate... like what happened in Russia after the collapse of the Sovjet Union. Its not their fault ofcourse, they were there at the right time...

Rising prices of the now available TLD's will not make much difference, in that only the crappy names will become available again.. and the good ones will still be gone as they are owned by people who have enough money to pay for those indefinately.

To save the internet, i'd propose 1000 new TLDs of all ranges and tastes, which will provide a more level playing field. Ofcourse even then most good names will be gone very soon.

Not good for me, as i'm a domainer, but it will be good for the internet

I believe that is something that will happen at some point.. and there's nothing we can do about it.

**zorag** · 06-07-2008, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by MAllie

I understand where you're coming from, alldrop, but, being a newbie, I think I see something you and some of the other domainers don't. Domaining is an industry that has built upon the idea of trading domain names, the extensions for which were provided so that everyone, ordinary people included, would be able to have virtual addresses at which to build their internet businesses. I think a lot of domainers, including you, talk as if it were the other way round.

Domaining is like any other kind of collecting. People collect domains the way others collect coins or stamps - as investments. But the original idea of coins and stamps was to make life more convenient for the ordinary person. The collecting has been imposed on these items, which would function perfectly well as everyday objects if there were no collectors.

I'm sure the fact that an industry has grown up around domain names brings money to governments through taxes and so on and, of course, huge numbers of people get employed by domain businesses. But the domain names do not need the speculators as much as the speculators need them. If there were no domaining there would be other ways of earning money and other employment opportunities. I think you are wrong to say that 'paying 100k to open a store is not much.' It is too much for the ordinary person in the street. Domainers have got used to talking in terms of big bucks. There is a real world out there where millions of people work for low wages in soul-destroying jobs because they have to. The life of the successful domainer (and I suspect there are not as many of those as we are led to believe) is a cakewalk compared with their's.

Wise words MAllie!

Good to hear the from someone who is recently introduced to the industry because after time we all get wrapped up in the logistics. Sometimes you need to look at things from a real world perspective to understand what were involved in. Internet real estate, branding, corporate ID - this is all marketing, that's the arena we're playing in. Identity is king on the internet - and marketing is what makes it all happen!

One thing I've learn't, "and it's the same in any industry", money makes money! There's no point in faffing around with newly introduced eTLD's and IDN's unless your in it for the long term ride and your happy to sit on things. Buy now, sell now, that's a concept which has always worked in climbing any commercial ladder.

**bwhhisc** · 06-07-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by zorag

There's no point in faffing around with newly introduced eTLD's and IDN's unless your in it for the long term ride and your happy to sit on things.

Agree on eTLD, but not IDNs. You only need to check out the ICANN 2009 Budget to see that IDNs are getting major release and mega funding next year. Browser support for them is still only at like 20% penetration in Asia, but predicted to be more like 60% this time next year and that has long been the key to getting unicode to resolve in the browsers.

80% of the world does not speak English...the people that market and sell to them will advertise and promoted using IDNs. A lot of people see a good investment potential in IDNs right now (including DCG, owner of DNForum) , and resales and demand should ramp up as idn.idn comes on line in 2009 joining idn.com, idn.net idn.jp idn.cn, idn.de, idn.tv etc. some of which have been continually registered since 2000'. Most of those are expected to get aliased at some point to their equivalents of idn.idn as well.

http://www.icann.org/planning/ops-bu...amework-09.pdf

http://www.icann.org/strategic-plan/...-2008-2011.pdf

**nicedomains** · 06-07-2008, 11:34 AM

I think that LLL.in domains are going to rise sharply in value within the next 8 months to a year. All LLL.in domains are bought out and trading seems to be rising for them. What do you think?

**zorag** · 06-07-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by nicedomains

I think that LLL.in domains are going to rise sharply in value within the next 8 months to a year. All LLL.in domains are bought out and trading seems to be rising for them. What do you think?

Absolutely! I've invested in a handful of LLL.in over the past year and sold at xxx times the buying figures to investors and companies. Big market and growing fast..

**SDX** · 06-07-2008, 02:03 PM

You guys are raising some VERY good points!

**domaingenius** · 06-07-2008, 02:37 PM

I guess what also has to be taken into account is that each generation will have their own recognised tld. Whereas in the beginning .com was the one, now in the uk it is .co.uk more or as much as .com
DG

**Rubber Duck** · 06-07-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by domaingenius

I guess what also has to be taken into account is that each generation will have their own recognised tld. Whereas in the beginning .com was the one, now in the uk it is .co.uk more or as much as .com
DG

That is simply an assertion without substance:

This shows the UK's biggest extension is dot com by a country mile.

http://google.com/trends?q=.com%2C+....ate=all&sort=0

However, when it comes to actually buying things because we want to pay in Sterling, do not want to pay import duty, or twice the value of item shipping it from America, then we are more inclined to shop at a domestic outlet and will tend to select sites with a .co.uk address. It has nothing to do with generations, it purely cultural and geographical.

Are you suggesting the next generation is going to be dot Mobi? Because if you are, then you haven't a clue what you are talking about.