GamersForum.Com Unresolved Sale Cover-up

[David Walker]

This is straight despicable. A cover up of an unresolved sale of GamersForum.com by DNF staff.

The thread involving the sale dispute of GamersForum.com was deleted. It had valuable information consisting of KING's trading behaviours.

There is a cover-up here and I want an answer as to why the thread http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?t=470130 was removed from public view. That thread will protect other buyers in the future from dealing with him.

Suggestion: It should be made public as that seller admitted he will violate rule #8 of this forum, a staff member should reply to it and it should be locked from further discussion instead of deleted.

Google Cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&hl=en&ct=clnk

[Melly]

Probably had something to do with the fact that the sell did not take place on this forum.

[David Walker]

The sell did take place on this forum to another buyer. No escrow services were involved.

[dnfuser1234567]

This is a hard one. You made a deposit, tried to get the funds together and when he questioned you on it, you then tried to get it at a lower price. You then agreed again on the original amount and he gave you a few more days. You also made other purchases during this time for an amount around 1k right? I would say if he gave you a couple of days after the last agreement and then refunded your money after that point (regardless if someone came in with 5k to buy it) then he is in the clear. It's not his problem you spent another thousand while trying to get the money to pay him. He could have thought all of the things combined were a sign that you weren't going to honor the agreement.

I still don't buy a verbal or email exchange being considered a valid contract. A lawyer that wants to backstab someone and rob them at the same time would be the right person to talk to. After all they can make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Good luck in the future - I hope things work out for you, just not sure its a one sided thing here.

[silentg]

@DNFUser Verbal or E-mail agreement is considered a contract. E-mail or verbal agreements are legally binding.

[dnfuser1234567]

@silentg - thanks

[David Walker]

You made a deposit, tried to get the funds together and when he questioned you on it, you then tried to get it at a lower price

That's where things get complicated and jumbled together. The sequence of events happened as follows:

1) He stated BIN was $5000
2) I offered $4200
3) He accepted that offer
4) Trying to get the lowest price possible, I offered ~$3600 I believe.
5) He rejected it and would not budge from $4200.
6) I accepted $4200 and made a $200 deposit as it was the day before Thanksgiving and could not deposit money at that time nor would be able to on Thanksgiving as it is a Federal holiday.
7) Thanksgiving day, everything was set in place for the $4000 to be deposited in my bank account
8) The day after Thanksgiving ~0900, I deposited cash into my bank account to make the full payment
9) ~1000 I received a PM saying it was sold for $5000.

I DID NOT try to renegotiate the price AFTER the $200 deposit was made to hold the domain for up to 3 days for a BIN of $4200.

The point is, I got screwed, accepted it and moved on. My suggestion is to reopen the thread and CLOSE it. Not DELETE it as no threads on DNF are deleted unless there is some sort of cover-up occuring here.

Feedback or input from a moderator or administrator?

[Mike Cruz]

I was wondering what happened to that thread. If they did delete it, it is in fact a bit weird. Considering in that very thread KING basically admitted what he did (breached contract) and contradicted so many different instances of what really happen, proving that he was guilty of what you were accusing him of.

I have nothing to do with this transaction, but I would definitely like to hear from the mods why it was unjustifiably deleted.

[James Jean]

That's where things get complicated and jumbled together. The sequence of events happened as follows:


2) I offered $4200
3) He accepted that offer

Where's the issue? Deal done case close. You're in the wrong in my opinion. You are trying to hustle afterwards is not good business. There was offer, offer accepted... where's the issue?

[Eifwen]

Wasn't Thanksgiving In Japan 23rd?

[David Walker]

Where's the issue? Deal done case close. You're in the wrong in my opinion. You are trying to hustle afterwards is not good business. There was offer, offer accepted... where's the issue?

Obviously being in the military yourself, you might have possibly been to a third world country where you can barter. That is was I was doing. Is bartering against the rules? No. But not completing a sale after posting SOLD is.

Me: Is $4200 good? Yes. Is $3600 good? No. Ok, I'll take it for $4200 then.

Wasn't Thanksgiving In Japan 23rd?

Thanksgiving was on the 24th. The American holidays are celebrated on American dates even though we are a day ahead of the States in Japan on military installations. IE, the 4th of July is still the 4th of July even though it is still the 3rd in America.

There is nothing more to be said. I just want to know the justification on deleting the thread as opposed to closing it like other sales threads and as to why there were no infractions imposed on KING.

[Mike Cruz]

Where's the issue? Deal done case close. You're in the wrong in my opinion. You are trying to hustle afterwards is not good business. There was offer, offer accepted... where's the issue?

What are you talking about? Did you read the full outline, or the other thread for that matter?

BIN was set at $5,000 after a bit of negotiation, they both agreed on $4,200 - amplify made a deposit of $200 to pay off the rest in a "few days", went to pay it off the following day just to find out that KING refunded his deposit for $200 (breaching contract) to sell it to someone else for $800 more.

The only one who seems to be in the wrong (well, is in the wrong, considering he basically admitted this in the deleted thread) is King. I really can't see how someone could see this situation any other way. It makes me very weary about dealing with some people based on their opinions of this situation.

[Dale Hubbard]

@amplify

In your sequence of events (1-9), step 4 is where you went wrong. It may be that KING has behaved badly in this matter and on another matter referenced, but you must accept some culpability for trying to hustle a lower price after reaching an agreement.

Also, I don't really understand why you're suggesting that DNF might have any particular interest in 'covering up' any of this. I doubt very much if there's any conspiracy here, and despite your frustrations, you shouldn't really infer it.

[David Walker]

@Dale Hubbard
Did you miss step 6 of our negotiation process? It was a sequence of bartering. When he would not budge, I accepted $4200 and he accepted $4200 and then he accepted a $200 non-refundable deposit to hold the name over the holiday. As to the cover up, I am just wondering as to why the thread was deleted. No threads are ever deleted on DNF even for breaking the rules of no title in thread-- they are just closed or edited. Why was this particular thread deleted?

I just want the staff member who deleted the thread to justify why it was deleted in either public or private via PM and close/delete/lock this thread.

It falls under rule number 2 for unresolved sales, my claim was backed and supported by evidence (see Google cache) in the form of private messages between KING and I. The thread should not have been deleted as it shows he is willing to violate rule #8 of this forum in order to make extra money. Having said that, it should remain public so that others are aware that even if he makes a written contract, he will not stick to it if he receives a higher offer.

Done and waiting for a response from DNF staff.

[Mike Cruz]

This is exactly why the other thread should not have been deleted.

[CureCancer]

Hmmm.

[David Walker]

the best solution is to walk away from this and index his identity on all forums so the next time someone wants to look up the sellers name it would link back to the scandal. Also post it on rip off report

I've already walked away from this deal and it's eating up too much of my developing/promoting time of my other sites protesting it. I just want a public record of his actions (which was the deleted thread) to be seen so it doesn't happen again to someone else.

Suppose someone had called the bank and issued a wire transfer that takes 3-5 business days to post. What if he got an instant transfer of 2 times the amount of the pending ACH? He would probably wire the funds back as a refund and take the instant cash. Almost what he did do (except in this case, $800 more) and may do in the future, leaving the first buyer in the dust. The thread needs to be restored so that future buyers are aware of his trading habbits.

Still awaiting a moderator or administrators comments on this matter.

[CureCancer]

Hmmm.

[Dale Hubbard]

@Dale Hubbard
Did you miss step 6 of our negotiation process? It was a sequence of bartering. When he would not budge, I accepted $4200 and he accepted $4200 and then he accepted a $200 non-refundable deposit to hold the name over the holiday. As to the cover up, I am just wondering as to why the thread was deleted. No threads are ever deleted on DNF even for breaking the rules of no title in thread-- they are just closed or edited. Why was this particular thread deleted?

I just want the staff member who deleted the thread to justify why it was deleted in either public or private via PM and close/delete/lock this thread.

It falls under rule number 2 for unresolved sales, my claim was backed and supported by evidence (see Google cache) in the form of private messages between KING and I. The thread should not have been deleted as it shows he is willing to violate rule #8 of this forum in order to make extra money. Having said that, it should remain public so that others are aware that even if he makes a written contract, he will not stick to it if he receives a higher offer.

Done and waiting for a response from DNF staff.

I don't miss much in my dotage. You seem to be able to skip milestones at your whim. Your (4) caught you up sequentially in this instance.

[Mark Talbot]

I think this is a fine example of why sellers/buyers should advertise sales/offers with an explicit time frame to completion after negotiations.

IE- "All agreed buy/sell prices are firm. Transaction must be completed within 5 biz days or any/all rights to buy/sell are null and void."

If ya know you got a week,... you wont be playing around for a week and a half, and it gives both parties clear understanding.

(my post has nothing to do with this specific transaction in this thread, just good advice)