Mod Overkill

[Johnn]

There was a guy who drives 95 MPH in a 65 MPH zone.
The police stops him and sticks a banner on his windshield:
"This car was in speeding violation 95PMH in a 65MPH zone"
Then the cop let him go.

3 days later - all the cars in the town has the same banner on the windshield.

[nameslave]

Originally Posted by draggar

I also love it how people act like it is the end of the world when their posts are closed. They're closed - all that means is that no one can post a reply. It is still in the forum and potential customers can still send them a PM about the item(s) for sale.

To be honest, I was actually surprised by this (closed/locked but not removed). MANY popular forums out there would simply toss such threads without even blinking an eye.

[DotComGod]

Ok, I have read some great points by both sides in this thread.

We will summarize the points and action what is reasonable to action.

Your opinions have not only been heard but will be acted on.

-=DCG=-

[stewie]

Thx, nice to see both sides heard.

I was starting to think we needed a Football game, Members vs Mods

[biggedon]

Originally Posted by nameslave

To be honest, I was actually surprised by this (closed/locked but not removed). MANY popular forums out there would simply toss such threads without even blinking an eye.

i know what you mean.

our tolerance level is much higher for bs than some other forums, who wouldn't even entertain some of the actions permitted here.


some forums don't even enable threads to go back to the top of the que, when a reply is posted. and you can't even start a new thread for "7 days".

if we enacted rules like that, then there would be far less bumping, spamming and price reduction posts.

sometimes you don't realize how relaxed one envionments' conditions are, until you visit another.

to blame the rules and/or structure of the platform that supports a "medium" for the exchange of sales transactions pertaining to domains and domain related services, as an excuse for not being able to do business....is totally illogical.



i do hope though, that if or after any changes are made as a result of this thread, that those who feel/felt that forum rules were/are detracting or preventing them from doing business here or hurting their "potential" sales to end-users....actually start selling some domains!


Good Luck


imo...

[meganerd]

From other thread:

Originally Posted by Johnn

I can see the only issue was avoiding indexing from the search engines.

That is just a symptom of the real problem.

The real problem is members who joined this forum and paid for memberships/upgrades/etc in good faith that the reasons for getting memberships were going to be provided and that maybe....every once in awhile that our requests would be acted upon when told that "you're right...this is in progress..." and then actually seeing progress is a different story 95% of the time.

Adam & DNF staff, I love you guys but sometimes it seems the DNF staff has too much on their plate in order to serve the needs of DNF like it deserves. The growth, value and integrity of these forums ultimately lies in staff hands.

[james2002]

Wow. The thread was reopened.

A lot of demand for this thread.

[draggar]

Originally Posted by james2002

Wow. The thread was reopened.

A lot of demand for this thread.

It was closed as a test to see if the OP got the notification that it was closed.

Odd, though, it took over 5 hours for someone to post a reply after it was reopened.

[DotComGod]

The indexing point to me is not a good one.

People find your threads on domains you post for sale through the search engines, you don't want people reading your domains for sale?

My theory has always been, if you don’t want to sell something with a price, post it in domains for sale offers wanted.

Who cares if someone comes back 2 years later and sees the domain was 6k and now you're asking 30k, that's the nature of domains.

They still need to pay the current asking price.

I have never realized what the legitimate beef is here.

-=DCG=-

[nameslave]

Originally Posted by meganerd

The real problem is members who joined this forum and paid for memberships/upgrades/etc in good faith that the reasons for getting memberships were going to be provided and that maybe....every once in awhile that our requests would be acted upon when told that "you're right...this is in progress..." and then actually seeing progress is a different story 95% of the time.

I guess the real problem is WHOSE requests are they? DNF membership is made up of at least THOUSANDS of active members, many of whom actually never post. One misconception is that the outspoken MINORITY equates a homogeneous membership, not knowing that there are different interest groups among members, as well as the silent majority.

[PRED]

Originally Posted by DotComGod

The indexing point to me is not a good one.

People find your threads on domains you post for sale through the search engines, you don't want people reading your domains for sale?

My theory has always been, if you don’t want to sell something with a price, post it in domains for sale offers wanted.

Who cares if someone comes back 2 years later and sees the domain was 6k and now you're asking 30k, that's the nature of domains.

They still need to pay the current asking price.

I have never realized what the legitimate beef is here.

-=DCG=-

what if you're a buyer and the seller whored it on 5 threads here and all over search engines. maybe you just dont want it there like that
especially from a top forum as they are the top links on search
also we are seeing names being taken to wipo on the flimsiest evidence
the scumbag lawyers are looking for this type of thing
im not talking ms typos etc but legit domains
if they see you just bought,, and price and stuff being said can be damaging
plus can take a while before your own developed domain beats the dnf threads lol on google

i cant see any reason to defend it. apart from maybe helping the forum. it dont help us and i think past discussions of this show the majority of domainers would back me on this

start a poll. you'll see, trust me

like i say many other forums have option of just having a drop down option to left of thread where you choose extension. this would also save the mods half their workload of having to close threads beacuse theres a space between the last letter and dot or something silly like that

question is, why wouldn't you?

[south]

Originally Posted by DotComGod

The indexing point to me is not a good one.

People find your threads on domains you post for sale through the search engines, you don't want people reading your domains for sale?

My theory has always been, if you don’t want to sell something with a price, post it in domains for sale offers wanted.

Who cares if someone comes back 2 years later and sees the domain was 6k and now you're asking 30k, that's the nature of domains.

They still need to pay the current asking price.

I have never realized what the legitimate beef is here.

-=DCG=-

I was thinking along the same lines while browsing this thread. If I want to sell something, I want as much exposure as I can get. The only exception would be if I were asking for an appraisal, especially after I have just received an end user offer.

Providing a reason for closing threads is a good idea, glad to see it was implemented.

Originally Posted by PRED

also we are seeing names being taken to wipo on the flimsiest evidence
the scumbag lawyers are looking for this type of thing
im not talking ms typos etc but legit domains

Good point there.

[DotComGod]

I agree, a reason should be given for closing a thread, to me it's common courtesy that should and will be implemented.

-=DCG=-

[Compassion]

Originally Posted by DotComGod

The indexing point to me is not a good one.

People find your threads on domains you post for sale through the search engines, you don't want people reading your domains for sale?

My theory has always been, if you don’t want to sell something with a price, post it in domains for sale offers wanted.

Who cares if someone comes back 2 years later and sees the domain was 6k and now you're asking 30k, that's the nature of domains.

They still need to pay the current asking price.

I have never realized what the legitimate beef is here.

-=DCG=-

It's not wonderful when a thread for a domain listed for a limited time at $1500 gets indexed on the top of google when searching for the exact domain.

When a buyer has budgeted and will pay $3000 for the domain, but sees a closed thread from three months earlier with the price of $1500...this could be detrimental to maximizing profits for the seller who offered the domain at $1500 for a limited time to members of our forum.

Worse yet the buyer may have purchased the domain a few years back on dnforum for $50 and that thread is still on the top of results for the $3000 buyer to see - when typing the exact url.

The buyer ready to pay $3000 may reevaluate the data and feel he can buy the domain for $1000 or less if he chooses to become a member and negotiate with the dnforum seller.



Alternatively, the $3000 budgeted buyer may choose to join DnForum and negotiate for as low of a price as possible with the member who has his domain listed in the title and 2 of the top 6 google results link to these threads including the one he sees where the domain cost the seller only $50 in 2005.

Definitely this is a delicate idea of transparency, savviness of Internet user base and ethics - something that effects many of us. Where do we draw the line on thread titles?

[james2002]

Originally Posted by south

I was thinking along the same lines while browsing this thread. If I want to sell something, I want as much exposure as I can get. The only exception would be if I were asking for an appraisal, especially after I have just received an end user offer.

Providing a reason for closing threads is a good idea, glad to see it was implemented.

It is your personal choice for your domain to be indexed. It would be nice if we can choose either we like our domains to be indexed or not.

Simple way to avoid indexing is to post like DnforumDOTcom .

[PRED]

more reasons for not wanting domains indexed with domain along with what i already said...
it's not just about reselling
you may have a domain, say 'antiwar' for example in a tld
there maybe a brief time you're willing to sell, now, because of the nature of it and because you're going to ruffle a few feathers, if you develop later with privacy, ded. server etc. , bit of a mockery if that badboy is indexed back here and people know who owns through searching or looking at siggy

most, and i mean the overwhelming majority of domains are bought and sold amongst the same crowd. people will rarely find a domain through the serach engines to here. if they do, it will be too late. even if they did, they are more likely to go through whois, sedo, or drumroll......,by visiting the domain/site itself

if you want to drive traffic to forum or to threads, if that's a defence, then it's enough for threads to have name with a drop down extension option like i suggest, and have all the usual 'great llll.com' keywords in title and thread for people to find that will show up in search if they're looking for domains and aren't members

really this discussion has been around a long time. if anything it limits how many domains i want to list here
in the body of the post you can use [code:] etc, also stops people quoting and having to undo

otherwise i may just for every sales thread go and register: areallygreatnamehonest.com lol or something, put in title and add next to it, 'visit thread to see whats really on offer' lol

might try that

Originally Posted by james2002

It is your personal choice for your domain to be indexed. It would be nice if we can choose either we like our domains to be indexed or not.

Simple way to avoid indexing is to post like DnforumDOTcom .

i agree

but the second thing you suggest doesn't work, thats the point

i found a domain other day topping google from np thread

it was domain(DOT)com

that amongst other things lately are what's been hacking me off with this bs rule
and frankly that's what it is, for all the reasons i've outlined.
it's actually indefensible imho

[meganerd]

From my perspective, if I post a name for $1000 that is years later listed at $5,000, it hurts my negotiations and gives the buyer more leverage to bid down.

Originally Posted by james2002

It is your personal choice for your domain to be indexed. It would be nice if we can choose either we like our domains to be indexed or not.

Exactly. It should be a choice no matter if everyone agrees with it or not. But right now the only choice is to not post it at all.

People think dnforum(.)com method (and others like it) works to keep search engines out of threads but it doesn't. They just skip the dot part anyways.

When searching for dnforum.com without quotes, search engines will omit the dot part and break it into dnforum and com like it were two separate words. That's why the methods we are advised to use don't work.

[james2002]

Originally Posted by PRED

i agree

but the second thing you suggest doesn't work, thats the point

i found a domain other day topping google from np thread

it was domain(DOT)com

that amongst other things lately are what's been hacking me off with this bs rule
and frankly that's what it is, for all the reasons i've outlined.
it's actually indefensible imho

Are you sure?

I am talking about DnforumDOTcom (no brackets here) and NOT dnforum(dot)com . In the latter, search engine would still index dnforum as a phrase.

I don't think a lot of people would type dnforumDOTcom.

From my perspective, if I post a name for $1000 that is years later listed at $5,000, it hurts my negotiations and gives the buyer more leverage to bid down.

It is one of my ways of buying domains at reduced prices. I google the domain and look at how much the domain was sold and try to get the domain as low as possible. Sometimes I see threads here and I know at that moment that there is a good chance I could get the domain cheaper.

When searching for dnforum.com without quotes, search engines will omit the dot part and break it into dnforum and com like it were two separate words. That's why the methods we are advised to use don't work.

But DnforumDOTcom format works (no brackets here) . Goolge would only index DnforumDotcom as a phrase.

[DotComGod]

Originally Posted by meganerd

From my perspective, if I post a name for $1000 that is years later listed at $5,000, it hurts my negotiations and gives the buyer more leverage to bid down.

I don't see that, I have bought and sold names listed here for 50 times the price listed in the thread and it never influenced my ability to sell.

-=DCG=-

[PRED]

the point we're even wasting our tme discussing this proves the point, also that most people are unaware (.) , (,) DOT doesn't do diddly squat
it gets indexed
meganerd explained also above

now, we gonna see this sorted?

pretty please