Mod Overkill

[Tia Wood]

I don't see that, I have bought and sold names listed here for 50 times the price listed in the thread and it never influenced my ability to sell.

-=DCG=-

What about uneducated end users?

[PRED]

what about all the other reasons?
feel like im talking to a brick wall here

off to get a grolsch

[Compassion]

I don't see that, I have bought and sold names listed here for 50 times the price listed in the thread and it never influenced my ability to sell.

-=DCG=-

DCG tool pack for selling coming soon to an exclusive section near you

[Adam Dicker]

What about uneducated end users?

They were 'uneducated end users' that saw the thread and still paid.

If they want the domain they can pay or they can pick another domain.

The ironic part is this thread is getting indexed and there is no domain in the title.

-=DCG=-

[james2002]

They were 'uneducated end users' that saw the thread and still paid.

If they want the domain they can pay or they can pick another domain.

The ironic part is this thread is getting indexed and there is no domain in the title.

-=DCG=-

Yes. I can see what you mean. But by getting indexed, it might reduce the chance of the domain sold at much higher price. It can still happen but there would be less chance overall especially if the buyer is a google or internet enthusiatist.

[mediawizard]

I routinely offer domains at domain forums for a lot less than I would ask from an end user.

Some times its for liquidity, at other times its due to the fact that you have a new direction you want to take your portfolio in, etc.

I want the domains to be visible while I'm selling them, but once the sale itself is done, the information is redundant to me as a seller and usually to the buyer too.

As a mod on another forum I will say one thing - its a thankless job, your usually damned if you do and damned if you don't.

You want to help, but you do one favour and suddenly you become the 'go to' guy for anything and everything and that can be time consuming and simply not doable. Even though as a user it is quite frustating for me to have a thread closed (happened quite a bit to me) I understand and move on, though if required i've asked and received help pretty fast for most reasonable requests, so no complaints here.

How about title editing capabilities for exclusives and platinum members, that way the warning could be issued by a pm, if the thread is edited, fine, else it automatically locks in say 48 hrs from the warning. Just an idea, not sure how workable it is, but could sort both sides of the issue.

[PRED]

The ironic part is this thread is getting indexed and there is no domain in the title.

-=DCG=-

lol
thanks you just sealed my case

now haven't you got some vbulletin mods to do, while i sup my cold grolsch?

[south]

lol
thanks you just sealed my case

now haven't you got some vbulletin mods to do, while i sup my cold grolsch?

Good choice. Opting for a St. Sebastian Golden tonight.

Wow. 15 users viewing this thread..

[Raider]

The indexing point to me is not a good one.

People find your threads on domains you post for sale through the search engines, you don't want people reading your domains for sale?

My theory has always been, if you don’t want to sell something with a price, post it in domains for sale offers wanted.

Who cares if someone comes back 2 years later and sees the domain was 6k and now you're asking 30k, that's the nature of domains.

They still need to pay the current asking price.

I have never realized what the legitimate beef is here.

-=DCG=-

Is not just about finding the domain for sale on DNF, I think it's more of a privacy concern more than anything else.

Many of us don't want potential buyers going through our posts here and finding something they can perhaps use against us in the negotiating... It hasn't happened to me personally, but I'm sure it's happened to others.

Let's say "Apple" tried to buy a domain from a guy who's a member here, With a simple search they find the domain in the search engine, posted here for all to see.. Then they research back in that members threads and found that he tried to sell some "Apple" TM's a while back, Not only would it blow the deal, but it would open up a whole can of worms for the seller....

I think the less a end user knows about domainers, the better off they are.

[NameMatters]

really this discussion has been around a long time. if anything it limits how many domains i want to list here

Bottomline, this is what is happening..Read carefully:

Due to the obvious reason, many sellers with good names are never willing to post them here. The end result is, what we see here every day >> all 'junk' names.

1. Many Silver, Gold or Platinum members doesn't get motivated enough to upgrade to the Exclusive status. It's NOT because they can't afford to upgrade their membership most of the cases. It's because they do not see value. All they see is ton of junk names. (Sorry to say this).

2. Also, indexed threads will hurt seller's ability to negotiate, having known this, sellers are not posting their good names here. And now, read #1 again. :(

3. Many members whether exclusive or not, doesn't visit the forum regularly due to the same reason mentioned above.

So, there needs to be a 'paid listings' section where all members who are eligible to sell domains here should be able to post them. I know there is a private area for exclusives to sell domains without worrying about domain in title but it doesn't serve the purpose as it limits the buyers (only exclusives can read it). Once we create a paid listings area (fee should be very very nominal, like 50 cents per listing or something like that), you should see some good names in the forum for sale.

Summary:

This forum has PLENTY of good buyers but the sellers are scared to list their names for sale!!!! Isn't it a pity for buyers, sellers and the DNF itself ????

Good idea Sai, but I dont think it will go over very well with most here... I can see the threads now;

"I paid for a membership, why should I have to pay more?!!!!"

If someone wants to hide from Google, they have to pay for the mask!! lol.

It doesn't hurt to try out a 'Sponsored Listings' section where sellers can post (for a small fee of 50 cents per post) the names without the worry of indexing the thread. If anything, it will only get few extra bucks in revenue to DNF. imho.

Did you ever wonder why newsletters from Rick and Kevin's have good names listed while DNF is filled with sub-prime names yet DNF has thousands of domainers and most of them belong to those newsletters as well?

[SIKHboy]

Recently Thread Closed for having a "Space in the domain title"
For example "Coffee Blog.com " is up for sale
and the thread closed, reason Space in domain name, the reason I listed like this, because of Crawlers.

To be honest, I usually sell domains to end users, when I have few domains like this I sell it on the forum.
This is going to be my last thread for sale on DNF. No more sale threads until Mods or Adam come to solution. You guys suppose to help us make sales so we continue to buy your memberships. If we won't have money, We would not sign up. Likewise, I sell more names on other forums, than I do here.

I have always bought names from closed threads by pming on dnf lol, where I think those threads should not be closed. Sometime, I feel too lazy to pm the OP and OP lose the sale.


Mods Will need to cooperate with members I think, if they close the thread, they need to pm the OP. if mods Pm the OP regarding the closed thread, then mods need to set their Pm to recieve Pms from OP. So the thread can be opened right away, instead of Opening a New and New and New and New and 10 threads for the same domain name.

I agree with Acro opinion and Focus Opinion.

I hope this is to help us, not to move us from dnf.

[james2002]

One of my thread closed again by those MODs.

I used the format DnforumDOTcom . What is wrong with this?

Is this forum just wanting to get visitors or get indexed at the expense of the members?

[SIKHboy]

One of my thread closed again by those MODs.

I used the format DnforumDOTcom . What is wrong with this?

welcome to same boat, mate.

[biggedon]

The indexing point to me is not a good one.

People find your threads on domains you post for sale through the search engines, you don't want people reading your domains for sale?

My theory has always been, if you don’t want to sell something with a price, post it in domains for sale offers wanted.

Who cares if someone comes back 2 years later and sees the domain was 6k and now you're asking 30k, that's the nature of domains.

They still need to pay the current asking price.

I have never realized what the legitimate beef is here.

-=DCG=-

i have argued the same point each and every time

i think the real issue is that some don't feel as confident that they can get the price they want in the end.

so they lay blame on the forum for something that hasn't even happened yet, by predicting their failure before it happens.

I guess the real problem is WHOSE requests are they? DNF membership is made up of at least THOUSANDS of active members, many of whom actually never post. One misconception is that the outspoken MINORITY equates a homogeneous membership, not knowing that there are different interest groups among members, as well as the silent majority.

i have said the same thing, but you said it better

What about uneducated end users?

if end-users were educated....they'd be resellers


to a certain degree they need to stay in the dark!

[tristanperry]

Phew, just finished reading the entire thread. Great to see many of the proposals are being looked at seriously

Out of interest, what is the staff's reasons for *wanting* to have the domain indexed?

Many valid reasons have been put up against having them indexed, and it'd be easy to implement (Raider's brilliant idea would take about 30 minutes of coding), so there must be a reason for wanting them indexed?

I just don't see the big deal? Will it hurt DNF if we implement something that the vast majority of members are in favour of?

I can't think of any valid reason for why the staff would want the domains indexed, but I'm all ears

[Admin]

Recently Thread Closed for having a "Space in the domain title"
For example "Coffee Blog.com " is up for sale
and the thread closed, reason Space in domain name, the reason I listed like this, because of Crawlers.

Yet inside the post you listed it as CoffeeBlog.com, which still would be picked up by crawlers, so I'm trying to understand your reasoning

[Acro]

And I thought it'd be a quiet Friday.

For those that missed the memo, this thread is not about the listing format, or the commas used or anything related to a specific item.

It's all about *attitude* displayed by a single moderator, who is using "shopping mall cop" tactics. It's about anal micromanagement, lack of implementation of common sense, bureaucracy and simply an outdated approach to handling deviations from the "10 commandments" script.

It's about creating a negative environment one cannot feel welcome in and to engage in business without being tasered for every misstep one takes.

A fine example would be in this thread.

[kamil]

Out of interest, what is the staff's reasons for *wanting* to have the domain indexed?

I think they are after traffic and new registrations created by these indexed domains

[Johnn]

I said it before and I am going to say it again.

We will blame Vbulletin for not having a smart script which will detect the OP intention:

1. When we list the name(s) for sale, we want people from 50 states and 147 countries to know about the sale (I have several occasions that I sold the name to a non member) ===> We want the name to be indexed!

2. When the sale is over regardless of the name is sold or not, we don't want to leave a history behind ===> We don't want the name appear in search engine!

So VBulletin is not smart enough to know if we are in position #1 or #2.

- Uneducated users: we don't care as they are not smart enough to google the name.
- Educated users: Resellers - Who cares how much you paid for the name - there is only one name and smart reseller should know that the name changes hands several times with different prices. As a seller, I don't care if you tell me how much I paid for - all I care is I will not sell the name if you don't meet my expected price.

My 3 cents.

[Doc]

As a seller, I don't care if you tell me how much I paid for - all I care is I will not sell the name if you don't meet my expected price.

Totally agree with this