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Hardly worth anything at all. I feel like I have seen this name before. Maybe you asked for an appraisal a few years ago? The white noise I see is is when you say PR2, Pizza is a global industry (lol), and current investor and end user appraisals. Oh, and you mention that it was regged in 1997. It is all noise, and all nonsense.

It doesn't make any sense to me. Pizza is a local business. Good luck selling it, as you are likely to take this to your grave with you. There is just no earthly reason why anyone would pay any type of real money for it. Sure, you can have some type of intellectual exercise about why it has to be worth something, but you would be wasting your time, and it still doesn't make it a desirable name.

Let me know what type of competitive advantage a business owner would have if they paid you any type of money for this. Why should someone pay your mortgage for a name that won't bring the business owner any new business? Whatever you think it is worth is way to high. In fact, it is not worth much at all. From where I sit I would rather have $500 in cash than this name. I'm not even going to Google to see if there are similar names. It wouldn't matter if there were. Actually, if you offered me $200 right now or Pizzerias.com I would take the money. At some point, for a name to be a valuable name, it has to provide extra value to a business enterprise, and I don't think that this name does that.

Someone will probably say that you should develop it into some pizza directory. Yeah, whatever. Blah, blah, blah. Go ahead. That is what people say when they talk about low value names. I'm sure you spent countless hours thinking about this name through the years. You just "know" that it is a real gem. Well, it's not a good name. In fact, it is cancerous, because it is costing you and others hours of time thinking about it. That is time that you and others will never get back.

Good names usually bring lots of unsolicited offers. It is almost certain that nobody is going out of there way to email you good offers. Maybe at some point you had an offer. That doesn't mean it is worth that now. The name is a very low value name. Anyone who disagrees is wrong. If they claim that the name has any value at all, I want them to state a price in this thread that they are ready to pay TODAY, and not have their appraisal be some part of a theoretical exercise as to how valuable it could be (they would be wrong there, too). Just like the NCAA Billion Dollar Bracket. How much is a perfect bracket worth even if you got the first two days right? Not a billion. Not a million. Not even $1,000. With domain names, people act like the best case scenario is the value. Like, if the stars aligned and some idiot wanted to overpay for Pizzerias.com, then that hypothetical large amount is what is must be worth. Wrong again.

Bad name. A time waster. That is why everything you said was white noise that was trying to justify the name. A good name needs no introduction or explanation. It is obvious. Good names have people PM'ing you with offers. You don't have to check your inbox. Nobody is looking to buy it. Sorry.
 

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Man, killer name and the fact that someone would utter the words, "This name is worthless." It's just beyond me; easy high x,xxx to low $xx,xxx.....
 

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Wow thanks for the insightful commentary. It sounds very personal. Why are you so angry?

Received a mid 5 fig offer so I thought I would ask the intelligent domaining community. First time I've read such a destructive response.


If you have a current 40K or more offer for this name, then it is mind-boggling that you are spending time on a forum asking strangers what they think about it. You are either mad at money, or totally lost in this world. The domain name is not a great name. Of course, it is the type of name that many people can get trapped into believing it is great. So, maybe you, and the so-called potential buyer who is willing to overpay for this name that cannot possibly be worth it, are each living in an alternate reality where names that don't increase a businesses value all of the sudden are worth large sums.

I know one thing that is true. If you took the top 100 most knowledgeable domainers in all of the world, and you asked them to help you get started in domaining, and you wanted them to buy you a good name for 5K. Not a single one of them would buy Pizzerias.com if it was available. If you didn't already own Pizzerias.com, and you were entrusted with protecting your children's college fund, you would never in a million years pay 5K for this name. Now, you want to ask strangers what they think about the name? If you are pissing around with a legit 40K or 50K offer with the hopes of extracting maximum payment from the buyer, then it seems strange that you would risk everything by putting it in a thread here.

Now, I asked if I had seen this name before. I think that you asked about this name. It sucked back then and it sucks now. That is my opinion. I would rather have $200 in cash. I'm not calling you a liar, but I think you have a better chance of seeing God the next time you open the fridge than you do of selling this name for 40K or 50K. So make sure that when you close this deal that you come back here and rub it in. You will need to provide proof of a closed deal or I won't believe it happened.

Either that or you can continue in your fantasyland world and come back again for at least the third time in a few years and ask everyone again what they think of this name. I didn't like the name then, and I don't like it now. If you are turning down anywhere near 50K for this name then we are not operating in the same universe. It is such an outrageous price that I won't believe it until I see a completed deal. You know, kinda like Sportsbook.mobi for 150K or so that was paraded around a few years ago. The only problem is that deal never happened. It was close to a zero value name. They faked a transaction and got it reported. How about Flowers.mobi. That name "allegedly" sold for over 200K at auction (hahaha). Then a few years later the so-called buyer sold it for 6K. Weeeeeee.

Pizzerias.com is at least a real name, and it is dotcom. But I'm not buying the story. When I know for a fact that every domainer in the world except you would take 40K or so immediately and laugh at the buyer, it just seems strange that the only domainer on earth, and possibly the only human out of 7 billion who would rather have Pizzerias.com than 40-50K, happens to appear before me. Find me one other human being who is alive today who would rather have Pizzerias.com than 40K in cash if both were sitting right in front of them. This is a legit question. Name one other person alive today who, if given the choice, would rather have Pizzerias.com than 40K. I guess it is just you....and the mystery buyer.

See ya in three years. The name won't be any better the next time I appraise it. It may be worth a little more than what I value it, if only that it is the type of name that can easily fool people who don't know what makes a name valuable. But I would rather have $200, and I am serious about that. At some point, someone is going to have to start a business with the name. Well, I just typed in the name. It seems clear as day that the name is not worth much. You have already started a business on it. So, someone offering money for it is not offering to buy the domain only, I would assume. And it is almost certain that the business didn't turn out to be such a great business.

So, are you selling the business or the domain name? How much money did you spend on the name when you acquired it? How many hundreds, or thousands of hours have you spent on the business that you created at Pizzerias.com? Add them all up and my guess is that it is not such a good business. How much total profit have you made, if you properly factor in the time, effort, and money you spent developing the site? I would bet that it isn't such a great business. If I am wrong, and it is a great business, then how much more money do you think the business made because it used Pizzerias.com instead of another name? I mean, Pizzerias.com by itself is NEVER going to get any type of type in traffic, so for the name to have big value the term has to bring something to the table that another name doesn't. If it were truly a valuable name/business, then Papa Johns, Dominos, or Pizza Hut would pay you millions for the site you created. That is, if you actually can create a huge database of valuable people for them. When Facebook pays 18 Billion for WhatsApp, why can't Pizza Hut pay 100K for Pizzerias.com, database included?

So you start a thread asking about a domain name, and you don't tell anyone that you are running a business on it. You also don't tell anyone if the "buyer" is getting just the name, or the business, which would presumably includes hundreds, if not thousands of man hours, that have already been put into developing the business. If you have put in 2,000 hours into the business over the years, which is only 10 hours per week for four years, then you better be raking in the profits to justify that commitment. If it is something that took little effort to get started, yet shoots off a few thousand per year in free cash flow (with no additional effort), then you should start a business teaching others how to build online businesses.

I think you pulled this stunt a few years ago, so I am going to have to let you go now. Yet another person who confuses a business with a domain name. Hey guys, did you see that Google.com is worth 400 billion? I believe that the name doesn't bring much extra value to the business. Certainly not enough to justify someone paying 40K for the domain name only, and then starting from zero and doing something similar to what you did. Nobody looking for pizza is typing in one word when they do. If there is one person on earth who was hungry for pizza, and then went to Google and typed in one word only, and that word was Pizzerias, then we would all agree that this person was an idiot. Nobody on the planet who is about to order a pizza is going to type in Pizzerias only, and very few are going to type in the word Pizzerias with another word. They type in things like Manhattan Pizza Delivery. They will type in anything buy the one word Pizzerias. That's just how the world works, and that's why the name doesn't get any organic traffic, which means that it really isn't worth much as a stand alone name. A similar business can be created without paying you 40K first.

Just checked the site a bit. Guaranteed loser. Business was started in 2011. No Facebook posts since 2012. Under 900 likes. Twitter is more active, it seems. Not a real business. In the about us, it talks about how two guys started the business. Doesn't mention their names. No name on the whois. Can't possibly be a real/good business worth growing, or else you would brand it and have a bit of a personal touch. If this business/domain name was actually accumulating valuable leads, which it looks like isn't the case, then you are still left with the question of how much more valuable is the business because it is using Pizzerias.com. If you look at Pizzerias.net, .org, .info, and .biz, you will see that all of them are parked pages, so it looks like you can add a few more people to the list of suckers who think the term is valuable. Those people renew those names each year, wasting their money, getting zero PPC, and it goes on and on and on. You went the extra mile and likely wasted a few years of your life on this. Time to cut your losses and get out.

Not buying what you are selling.
 
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You deserved the harsh treatment because you were willing to mislead everyone about the name. I ended up being 100 percent right and my bullshit meter is working perfectly. You posted the name with a bunch of white noise in your opening post. That is a sign that there is likely something misleading coming to a theater near the unlucky viewer. And then what happens? There is a mention of a mid XX,XXX offer. No mention at all that you have likely failed for three years trying to turn the name into a business. But even if you have been wildly successful, then that makes it worse, as you would then never entertain selling the name only, which means that you are willing to waste people's time on this forum, all because you want people to tell you the name is valuable, when it isn't.

So, everything is a big waste of time with this name, and that goes with everything I said, even before I typed in the name and saw that you had a business on it (cookie cutter site, not a real business). If you aren't doing well with the business then it basically proves the name has little worth. If you are doing well with the business, then you would never sell the name only.

It turns out to be one big lie. Tons of relevant info was held back. But the answers to all of the relevant info that you withheld all lead to the same result, and that is a very low value name. It just cannot be any other way. You probably don't have a huge list of people anyways. Pizza coupons are everywhere. Now, if you had a domain name that could help generate leads for valuable transactions, or developed a business where you had a list of people who liked to gamble, or who were interested in buying homes, then you might have a valuable list. For the March Madness billion dollar bracket. Quicken Loans gets a huge database of people. Mortgages are big business. Why didn't Pizza Hut put up a billion dollar challenge? Because people who eat pizza are not valuable customers in the scheme of things. Pizza companies do just fine with their local, and even national advertising. They don't need some guy in his underwear telling them who likes to eat pizza.

Reason and logic wins again, as it usually does.
 
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Take mid xx,xxx.offer and run away. Thats end user price. Reseller price would be high x,xxx max.
 

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Ignore him.. It's a great name.

Here's some examples of bad names, which happen to be owned by the one and only WhoDatDog.

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You guys are all wrong. The OP still hasn't told anyone if he has a recent offer for the domain only. He hasn't told us how much of his life he has wasted over the last three years trying to run this "business". The goof above me is mad because I gave him a low appraisal on a worthless name he has.

I'll make it easy for all of you. Mid XX,XXX is never happening for this name. For you people to even get sucked into the debate and not laugh nonstop at the idiocy of this suggestion just goes to show how out of touch with reality you are. There is not one person on this whole forum, out of all of the people who ever signed up here, who would be willing to pay 10K for it right now. I would say an ever lower number, but one of you would likely lie and say that you would buy it for that amount.

Not a single person here is ready to pay any real money amount for this name. You have all ruined domaining. The clown above me lists some names that I had in threads after having bought a few low value names here last month. He suggests that because I put up a Names Wanted thread, bought some names, and am trying to sell them here, that my reasoning for this name must be wrong.

You all look like idiots and you don't even know it. I may make lengthy posts, but that is because I explain my reasoning with the idea to help others who may get sucked into this. Imagine a newbie domainer encountering this thread without me being here. The OP would would likely have no problem selling someone who just entered the business this name for 25K. He could put up a thread and then say that the deal fell through, but he will sell it for 25K. Then, the newbie would see that the losers in this thread believed that 40K to 50K is a fair price, so the newbie might buy the name.

And you guys wouldn't care because you are looking for suckers all day long. You chased them out of the business. You even have Frank Schilling on a world wide hunt for idiots so he can sell them worthless names. Someone posted a name a few weeks ago that he said he paid mid X,XXX for. It was a name in a loser extension that was basically worth zero. If it wasn't for dishonest domainers like you, and people like Frank Schilling, this guy wouldn't have ruined his life.

Not a single person here who is posting worthless pats on the back about this name is willing to offer even 20 percent of the insane amount the OP claims he has been offered. Yet, you think it is real. The guy still hasn't told us how much of his life he wasted on this business. Is it 99 percent, or is it just 90 percent. I wonder how excited Pizza Hut will be when the OP calls them up and tells them that he has 432 people that he knows eat pizza in the United States. I mean, he could go world wide with this great idea. After all, he made one of the dumbest comments in domaining history. He said in his opening salvo, that "Pizza is a global business". That comment there should immediately put him in the domaining idiot Hall of Fame, right next to the joker who has the worst names in Dn Forum history, who talks to himself in evrey post for a decade with no bidders, and always states..."must be transferred out....PayPal or Bitcoin".

Looks like there are no more suckers left. You fellas will all have to go get jobs now. Keep holding each other's hands telling people that their names wre worth mid XX,XXX. This name is not worth mid XX,XXX in any reality worth living in. The ONLY response to the OP's "suggestion" that he has a mid XX,XXX offer is to first laugh at the loser who is offering it, then second to laugh at the clown who is asking if he should sell, thirdly to discount the statement and not believe it.

I found too many half-truths already. I don't believe the story. OP will have to take his list of 432 people who he knows like pizza and go home and start applying for jobs. And when you think about it, coming up with a list of people who only use coupons to buy pizza is about the worst pizza customer you could ever want. Anyone who would sign up at his cookie cutter site (can't be that many) is the type of person who pizza companies don't even need.

Of course, not in a million years would anyone here ever sign up for this guy's site. You haven't entertained for a single second the idea that what this guy is offering on his site might be worth something to you. Think about that. Here is a guy with a name you tell him is valuable, and you don't even care to ask him if he has any good pizza coupons. Hahahaha. Guaranteed 100 percent fact that it never crossed your mind to ask him about getting some help in that life-long struggle to find a good pizza deal. What a disgrace you people are. Just the lowest form of life on the planet.
 

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We've talked outside the forum before, although not about Pizzerias.com.

Seems to me it's got some flexibility in the 5-figure range. Pizza.net went for -- what was it? -- $150k, I think. That was in September. Pizza.com was a 7-figure sale back in '08. With those 2 off the market, Pizzerias.com looks pretty good. Can it break the $100k level? On a good day. But good days don't always happen.

If you've got a decent 5-figure offer, hand off the domain to a really good broker. Insist on a 10% commission instead of 15%, since you're bringing him a live lead. Let him publicize the domain -- maybe in tandem with an auction at Flippa. PM me, and I'll recommend 2 or 3 guys.
 

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Wow, someone did not take their medication today :lol:

great name, low to mid $xx,xxx all day
 

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Thanks for all the input.

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