Will IOD get .web?

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mole

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It does appear that ICANN (or whatever is left of it) was trying to push for more meaningful specificity toward addressing internet content. I doubt this direction will change anytime soon.
 

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Actually IOD already has .web. The real question is will ICANN resolve the IOD .web in the US gov "A" root?

My guess is that ICANN will do nothing. They did not give .web to affilias in the last round because of IOD .info was the second choice for affilias. I doubt ICANN has the taste for more "open" tlds after the .biz and .info fiascos. The easy way out for ICANN is to not give .web to anybody.

As for the alternate roots I would keep a close watch on newroot / pacific root www.newroot.com . If the default root is changed in major linux distributions from the US gov "A" root then the sleepy "alternate roots" may wake up from thier 6% of Internet users level with a vengence. And that includes .web
 

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Originally posted by FineE

As for the alternate roots I would keep a close watch on newroot / pacific root www.newroot.com . If the default root is changed in major linux distributions from the US gov "A" root then the sleepy "alternate roots" may wake up from thier 6% of Internet users level with a vengence. And that includes .web
But will big business and the various governments allow it, FineE, that is the question.

Don't forget that the A root includes over 240 ccTLDs, and the international community will not take kindly to all this confusion, let alone the security issues.

When push comes to shove, that's when you start to really see teeth against the alts.
 

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GEt real guys... there will not be another ICAAN accredited extension released for a LONG LONG time.
Look how Crappy the new tlds that come out are doing.

BTW i think .web would have been one hell of an extension
 

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Big business has had actually very little influence on many aspects of the development of the Internet.

Why because big business cannot react fast enough to change. In the case of the alternate roots for them to attract the attention of big business they will be so well established that all big business will be able to do is pay big bucks for prime alternate root real estate. If the experience of .com is any example. Where was big business in when loans.com was first registered for free? They waited until 2000 and paid $3,000,000 for it. The best thing that can happen to the alternate roots is for them to grow to the size and importance that will attract the attention of big business.

As for big government. The US government has tried to keep out of the Internet for a long time. I mean www.nic.cu (Castro's Cuba) is in the US government contolled "A" root. And the Soviet Union .su still lives on in the US government "A" root. The Russians at www.nic.ru offer the registration of for example lenin.su for $1,000 US. On the other hand other governments might even welcome aternative roots to that controlled by the US government. A more likely response is that big government like big business will do nothing untill the alternate roots are so well established that big government will not be able to stop them.

The biggest obstacle to the alternate roots is that one needed before to set the DNS to the alternate root creating a second point of possible faliure for resolution of a .com domain. Many an ISP would be reluctant to take the risk. The technology that www.newroot.com (pacific root) is proposing actually allows direct resolution of the "A" root domains by an ISP even if the alternate root were to fail, and vice versa in effect creating an even higher level of redundancy for a site that can be reached a www.newroot.com domain and an "A" root domain.
 

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Originally posted by FineE
Big business has had actually very little influence on many aspects of the development of the Internet.

ICANN is driven by big business considerations.
 

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ICANN is driven by big business considerations
Exactly my point Mole.

How long has it taken ICANN to come up with 7 TLDs, only to be faced with un ending controversy and law suites. And how much change has occurred in the Internet during this time?

And compare this to the growth in alternate TLDs over 3000 in the last year.
 

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And how much change has occurred in the Internet during this time?

Best person to ask is timechange :D

I believe the concern is that anyone can set up an alt, thereby creating chaos and crossed lines. The internet will degenerate into the disintegratednet. It's obviously not to anyone's benefit if that happens.
 

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I believe the concern is that anyone can set up an alt, thereby creating chaos and crossed lines. The internet will degenerate into the disintegratednet. It's obviously not to anyone's benefit if that happens.
The real issue here is not an alternate root, but a colliding TLD. All a root ultimatly does is provide an IP address that will resolve a given SLD.TLD. So if one uses US DOC, or Newroot/Pacific Root , or Newnet etc or the other alternate roots one gets the same result for a .com, .net .org, .mil, .gov, .int, .edu, .arpa, or any of the ccTLDs, the "legacy TLDs". So as far as those TLDs are concerned there is no chaos or disintergration. If fact multiple roots providing the same answers actually provide stability and redundancy. Why because no root operator in their right mind will take on the legacy TLDs as they were first as they were first and are in the "big. root".

But when a "weak" TLD is taken on by a stronger player is when there is trouble. .biz is a perfect example. ICANN decided to take on the weaker .biz but did not touch .web. Will the Nulevel/ ICANN .biz kill the ARNI now Grandom .biz, or will the Grandom .BIZ survive. And if it does how many business want to give up 6% of thier customers to somebody else? New root / Pacific root has about 6% of the market. not an issue for a .com or a .tv site but for a .biz site only time will tell.
 
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The real issue here is _exaclty_ that of an alternate root. There will not be Internet anarchy, and yes the US government does care about this.

Alternate roots will all die. Some will take your money in the process, but they will all die.

The fact that that new.net has captured any market at all only proves that people are gullible...

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Alternate roots will all die. Some will take your money in the process, but they will all die.
Actually some of the alternate roots have around for quite a while. The Pacific Root has its roots in the nomad network of the mid 80's and some of the TLD's date to the mid 90's, all well before ICANN. And by the way ADNS.net has seen a 7 fold increase in traffic in the last 2 years.

As for ICANN the latest on www.icannwatch.org point to an organization with very serious problems. Not to say that the ICANN directors who were elected fron North America and Europe actually use the alternate roots.
 

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Originally posted by FineE


As for ICANN the latest on www.icannwatch.org point to an organization with very serious problems.
I agree. ICANN and their cronies screwed up the launch of .info and .biz, making it .infool and .bozo :mad:

Had everything gone as planned, with worldwide advertising and the best .info being used (read usable) for the best sites (business.info and a paper company???), .info and .biz would have threatened dotcom in a way that would have silence the most vocal critics.

ICANN is just getting what they deserve, a reward for the abomination created.
 
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