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OK, 3 more votes for USA.

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ill stay right here in Florida.. i moved south and got away from the cold grey sky that sucks the life out of you half the year. no way in hell im going further north than i was originally... sorry Canada (even though you have really good weed) ;)

It's depressing isn't it?. I remember staying in Washington for almost 2 weeks during March or April to visit friends, and it drizzled non stop every single day. The sun finally came out the day we were leaving.. figures. :rolleyes:

Been to Orlando Florida too, I liked the climate accept for the humidity, if your not acclimated to it, it can really make you miserable. If you ever decide to move mj, Southern California is the place to be, San Diego in particular tops the list for best Climate in America. :yes:
 
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Socialist party (NDP) has never been able to get elected in Canada. Never even come close.

Were a just a boring, middle of the road democracy that never gets radical left or right. Maybe thats why were so successful.

Some Americans think anything left of Ronald Regan is socialism. Its just a waste of bandwidth trying to convince them otherwise.


Wow. well said... Australia is much the same, smaller population but well managed, middle of the road democracy, no radical left or right.

Maybe Raider is just bitter she couldnt migrant to Canada or Australia... :approve:

The US was your third best option, so you didnt do too badly. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_Most_Livable_Cities

Well, after Finland, Switzerland, Austria, New Zealand & the rest!
 
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Keep mind that this was written 5 years ago, the problem is a lot worse now.. 400,000 more put away since then.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/Headlines/The-Crisis-in-America-s-Prisons

The Crisis in America's Prisons

Gates of Injustice not only details the problem of a brutal system run amuck, it also provides a wide range of proposals for reform of this broken institution."

This article is not about the scandal of Abu Ghraib or even the treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Both situations have been the subject of extensive reporting, investigations, and court proceedings.

This article is about the crisis in America's own domestic prison system-a crisis of enormous proportions that has not received the attention required to force needed change.

Alan Elsner, a veteran Reuters correspondent, has addressed this crisis in a new book, Gates of Injustice. The book paints a shocking portrait of a situation about which most Americans know very little.

The statistics Elsner presents are staggering. There are, he notes, over 2.2 million people currently incarcerated in the U.S., giving the U.S. the highest per capita prison population in the industrialized world. For example, while in the U.S., 702 out of 100,000 persons are in prison, the next highest is Russia, where 628 out of 100,000 are incarcerated. The numbers for the United Kingdom and France are only 138 and 90 respectively.

Even more disturbing is the fact that this extraordinarily high U.S. ratio is a development of the last three decades. In 1972, for example, only 160 out of 100,000 people in the U.S. were in prison. To get a sense of the magnitude of this problem, according to Elsner's calculations, the U.S., with five percent of the world's population, has 25% of the world's prisoners.


Elsner quotes Rev. Jesse Jackson: "We are often tempted to think of China as an oppressive country, but we incarcerate 500,000 more people in this country-despite the fact that we have less than one-fourth of the population of China. We lock up our poor, our uneducated, our unruly, our unstable and our addicted, where other countries provide treatment, mental hospitals and care."


Minority groups in the U.S. are the most affected. Elsner notes that one in eight African American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are behind bars. One out of 25 Hispanics in the same age group is imprisoned. Overall, one out of three African American males and one out of five Hispanic males will most probably be imprisoned in their lifetime.

All of this comes at a huge cost. As Elsner points out, the cost of running the U.S. prison system is now more than $57 billion per year. This compares with the entire federal Department of Education budget of only $42 billion.

The contrast can be seen now more dramatically on the state level. Elsner observes that in the last decade, the State of California university system laid off 10,000 employees, while the state added an additional 10,000 prison guards. California, it appears, spends $6000 per year per student attending university, while spending $34,000 per year for every prisoner it holds behind bars.


The "corrections industry" as it has come to be called, is a rapidly expanding growth industry in the U.S. Increasingly, the system is being privatized with major companies bidding for lucrative contracts to build and run U.S. prisons.

As Elsner notes, the U.S.'s "corrections industry" now employs more people than General Motors, Ford and Wal-Mart combined.

But this only defines one aspect of this issue. More disturbing are the shocking details of prison abuse and neglect that define the daily lives of those who are incarcerated. Instead of providing an environment that seeks to "correct" or rehabilitate those who are behind bars, a violent culture of brutality and extremism has been nurtured within the prison system. Violent gangs, often imbued with racist and extremist ideologies run free. Weaker prisoners are violently abused, often sexually, and drugs are, it appears, as available within prison as they are on the outside.

According to Elsner, "hundreds of thousands of men are raped each year. .Racist and neo-Nazi gangs run drugs, gambling and prostitution rings from inside their prison cells, buying and selling weak and vulnerable fellow inmates as sex slaves, while authorities turn a blind eye." As a result, individual prisoners once released are often more violent, more addicted, angrier and less able to function in society than they were when they entered the system.
Elsner notes the growing problem of abuse of female prisoners. Almost 200,000 women are behind bars. Over two-thirds are mothers. Elsner notes that many are preyed upon by other more violent female inmates, or by their guards.

How did this problems grow to these monstrous proportions? Elsner targets the acceptance by both parties of a "get tough on crime" philosophy that has held sway since the 1970s. During this time, the prison population in the U.S. increased 400%. Almost two-thirds of those arrested were simple drug users, and most of them African American or Hispanic. Meanwhile, law enforcement turned a blind eye to white drug abuse and failed to deal more effectively with stopping the flow of drugs into the U.S.

During this same period, federal budget cuts of needed social services have also fed the problem.


Elsner notes, "While gutting much of its social safety net by slashing welfare programs, subsidized housing for the poor and treatment for the mentally ill, the United States turned incarceration into de facto final destination for those unable to find a place for one reason or another in our education-based, high-tech, winner-take-all economy."

Gates of Injustice not only details the problem of a brutal system run amuck, it also provides a wide range of proposals for reform of this broken institution.


Though the release of his book was overshadowed by the revelation of abuse at Abu Ghraib, there is a connection between the two problems. It turns out that some of the more brutal offenders at Abu Ghraib were, in civilian life, guards in U.S. prisons. It appears that the culture of abuse cultivated at home was, in this instance, exported with devastating consequences.
 

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neither,

I would love to live in fiji if i earned good there!
 

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Maybe Raider is just bitter she couldnt migrant to Canada or Australia... :approve:

Bitter? :lol: :lol2: :lol:.. Your funny Ian.

Anyone that knows me, knows I would never live in Socialistic society, I'm a Capitalist, I believe in working hard to achieve personal success, NOT sharing my success with people who don't work hard, or don't work at all.

I lived in 3 countries, and I'm quite happy here in the USA.. Other than Singapore and The Philippines, I never entertained the thought of moving to another Country. :no: And if did, Canada and Australia would not even make the list.

Some people can turn anything into a diatribe. I cannot believe people have time for this sh1t. Like really...

I know exactly what you mean.

Acquistions diatribes prove 2 things; 1) He has no life, and 2) I really got under his skin :)
 
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... a crisis of enormous proportions that has not received the attention required to force needed change ...
Thank you for bringing this matter to the attention of DNF users. Perhaps you or another Canadian diplomat could force needed change by negotiating mass early release of millions of inmates from US prisons to Canadian custody. Once they are settled in north of the border you'll be amazed at the impact they'll have on your society. Thanks good neighbor, let us know when you need a favor!
 

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Thank you for bringing this matter to the attention of DNF users. Perhaps you or another Canadian diplomat could force needed change by negotiating mass early release of millions of inmates from US prisons to Canadian custody. Once they are settled in north of the border you'll be amazed at the impact they'll have on your society. Thanks good neighbor, let us know when you need a favor!

With Canada's open door policy, I dont see why not.

lmao.

you won't find too many skinny women in the US...

I hope your not suggesting that Canada doesn't have a problem with the obese... They do :yes:

Is a matter a fact, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that Fat people are entitled to an extra seat at NO charge. If you can believe that.

http://current.com/items/89548140_c...ple-can-get-2-seats-for-the-price-of-1/25.htm

Only in Canada would they reward people for being overweight.
 
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Is a matter a fact, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that Fat people are entitled to an extra seat at NO charge. If you can believe that.

http://current.com/items/89548140_c...ple-can-get-2-seats-for-the-price-of-1/25.htm

Only in Canada do they reward people for being overweight.

Where do I get my life supply of donuts?

Eva I will have to disagree with you on this. Don't get me wrong it's just my opinion on this matter from a medical standpoint. I am not taking part in the USA-Canada discussion and I regret making a post about it earlier. I am not taking parts, I have friends from both countries and I like you all.

Some people are not fat because they chose so. Or to put it in a better way, some people cannot do anything about their obesity because their health status or genetic predisposition. I feel that I can agree with what you said in the case of overweight people. They usually are to blame for their weight. But they are not the type of people who will need 2 seats in an airplane or bus. But when it comes to obese or even morbidly obese, these people can usually do nothing substantial for their weight and taking measures to help these people or make their life at least a bit easier is IMO a very moral attitude
 

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I hope your not suggesting that Canada doesn't have a problem with the obese... They do :yes:

Please check the pic again that I posted, it says: USA / Europe ;)
 

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Eva I will have to disagree with you on this. Don't get me wrong it's just my opinion on this matter from a medical standpoint. I am not taking part in the USA-Canada discussion and I regret making a post about it earlier. I am not taking parts, I have friends from both countries and I like you all.

Some people are not fat because they chose so. Or to put it in a better way, some people cannot do anything about their obesity because their health status or genetic predisposition. I feel that I can agree with what you said in the case of overweight people. They usually are to blame for their weight. But they are not the type of people who will need 2 seats in an airplane or bus. But when it comes to obese or even morbidly obese, these people can usually do nothing substantial for their weight and taking measures to help these people or make their life at least a bit easier is IMO a very moral attitude

That's a valid point, Please don't get me wrong, I am NOT picking on fat or obese people, I'm knocking a system that forces airlines to give passengers fat or obese an extra seat at no charge. What if the obese cant fit through the door?, are we going to force the Airlines to modify the planes too?.

If we were to give that seat away for only the obese at no charge, you run into the problem of what qualifies as Obese... I sincerely feel bad for people who are overweight, but I just feel they should pay for that extra seat like everybody else. But your point is well taken.
 
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