"cannot be transferred within the first 60 days" Sedo 'Make Offer" Page notification

[Prosperous]

Important:
Please note that this is a transaction involving a .in domain. Domains with this ccTLD cannot be transferred within the first 60 days of the registration period. The first registrations for .in domains were carried out on the 16th February 2005.

:-(
The above is what it says on the "Make Offer' page for each of my .IN and .CO.IN domain names* (in bold red type, like above) that I put up for sale on Sedo yesterday. Such wording will put any potential buyer off very easily! I know domains that haven't been reg'd for 60 days yet can't be transfered out for 60 days (and that rule goes for most (all??) TLDs), but they can be pushed to another account (of the buyer) within the registrar!

So Sedo (please respond), I guess I now have to post a message to potential buyers in the page's 'DESCRIPTION' section where I inform that that indeed, they can't be transfered out but that they CAN be 'pushed'? Not very convenient.

And question #2 to Sedo:
How long will that "cannot be transferred within the first 60 days" message stay there on the domains' 'Make Offer' pages? Does it take into account the actual registration dates of the domains in question and thus automatically disappear after 60 days, or?

Rob


* Example: SouthAsia.in


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[Theo]

.in-deed :-D I see nothing as such at http://www.inregistry.in/policies/

 

[scorpio]

Also is this not the same rule at godaddy for any domain registration . 60 days no transfer. so why dont sedo have the same words for domains registered at godaddy ...

It sure can be pushed , So can .co.in and .in

 

[Gregoire]

It would be really easy for Sedo to explain this ...

I don't even understand how they did not think about it.

Grégoire.

 

[Prosperous]

Well,
Didn't Sedo support not work on weekends ('Cos of some German labor laws). And their weekend probably started yesterday ('Good Friday') so hence no reply yet. I guess I'll wait it out. :-O

 

[silenced]

if you can not transfer it you can push it easly

 

[Prosperous]

Yes I know I can, but Sedo should not 'scare away' potential customers by stating the domain can't be transfered, because to most customers (those with little to know domainer knowledge) that will make it seem that it's useless for them to purchase the domain 'cos from reading Sedo's blurb they'll think can't own the name(s) yet (but they CAN, 'cos the name(s) can be pushed.

 

[Prosperous]

UPDATE, kinda:
I'd also emailed SEDO and just got the following reply back:

Hello Rob,

I am enquiring with our technical team and will get back to you as soon as
I have answers.

Best Regards,

I'll keep you updated on this. :-D

 

[Domagon]

The cultural differences are hurting Sedo ... to close down for days at a time, long vacations, glacially slow response, etc isn't acceptable ... folks expect responsive service most everyday - yes, most folks understand maybe a Sunday off each week, and perhaps a holiday here and there, but won't accept a service being closed entire weekends / lack of service due to much of the staff being on frequent week+ long vacations.

Anyways, Sedo has a U.S. operation now so labor laws, etc shouldn't be much of an issue - hire more staff ... lots of Americans need jobs; can't afford that, then go where everyone else seems to these days for labor, India and other "offshore" locations.

In regards to the 60 day restriction - that's dumb. Registrar-transfer is DIFFERENT than Registrant transfer ... most registrars understand that and allow registrant updates most anytime - and that's long been true ... even so back in the old NSI days.

While on that, Sedo should seriously consider ceasing transferring domains into its own account before transferring to the new owner ... eliminate that step and the 60 day restriction is less of an issue...

The extra transfer step Sedo does offers only minimal additional security (mostly it just increases Sedo's legal liability) while mostly unnecessarily slowing the transfer process.

Ron

 

[sunnydomain]

testing

 

[Prosperous]

Wise words! ^

Meanwhile, still no word back from SEDO on this; neither to me by email, nor here in the 'partner' section. I guess the 'answers' aren't so easy to come up with. Disappointing.


Rob

 

[Prosperous]

Basically, they're ignoring the point I have brought up, and are not doing anything about it:

Hello Rob,

Thank you for your patience in this matter. The note on the offer pages of
.in and .co.in domains will be removed mid April when the first set of
registered .in and co.in can be transferred to other registrars.

Please let me know if you have additional questions.

Best Regards,

 

[SedoCoUk]

Hello,

I apologize for the delay in replying, I've been away for the last few days.

I'm sorry to hear that some of you are not satisfied with the wording on the .in sales pages. I'm sure that as many of you are aware and as I have written in the latest newsletter, there is more than a little confusion surrounding the entire .in market. We are simply repeating what we have been informed by the .in NIC.
We ourselves have been experiencing big problems with money disappearing for registrations which we have made at .in registrars and we put the 60 day no-transfer notice there after the initial rush of .in registrations came through at the end of February.
The information coming out of the various registrars and the NIC itself is often misleading and contradictory, so we would prefer to keep the note up on the site until the middle of April and the situation is completely clear.

I have had a look at a couple of .in registrars and it does seem that .in names can be pushed which all potential buyers may not be aware of. However, I personally feel that buyers of .in domains are unlikely to be absolute newbies to the market as it is quite a specialist niche. I can understand your concerns though, and the note will be taken down on the 15the April. I'm afraid I can't do anything more for you, but it is only 2 weeks guys.
We really feel that we needed to put this note up as we've pushed the .in market so much and we didn't want to have a large amount of displeased customers who were unable to transfer their new domains.

Thank you for your co-operation. I wish you all the best with your .in sales. Feel free to email me at [email protected] if you have any further questions.

Ed
Key Account Manager
UK Marketing Associate
_______________________________________________

SEDO.CO.UK :: Buy and Sell Domain Names and Websites
tel within UK 0871 900 8450 :: fax 0871 900 8451
tel +49 221.420.758.156 :: fax +49 221.420.758.11
tel (US) (877)-349-5902 :: fax (212)-202-3951
email: [email protected] :: http://www.sedo.co.uk

_______________________ :: make a name for yourself.

 

[Domagon]

Hello,

I apologize for the delay in replying, I've been away for the last few days. ...

That's an example of cultural difference I was talking about; in another response here you say you were on vacation or something.

Geez, it's no wonder responses take a week LOL!

Many folks just "push" domains so why the whole 60 day nonsense ...

Even if Sedo is acting as an intermediary, I still don't understand the 60 day restriction, since Sedo just creates an account at the registrar on behalf of the buyer and then requests the seller to "push" it over - folks have been doing this for years, in many TLDs with numerous different registrars, so it's not like this method is new or anything.

Beyond the lack of staff Sedo has, a problem that Sedo has acknowledged in this forum, I suspect the cultural differences leads to Sedo have poor or even no relationship with many registrars - relationships is how things get done in business ... but then surely Sedo already knows that - so why the 60 day restriction ... lazyness, but I digress, so I'll end my post here

Ron

 

[SedoCoUk]

Please excuse my inconsistencies. I felt my apologising for being away for a few days was pretty much the same as saying 'I've been on holiday'. I'm only too happy to oblige if you'd like me to start all posts with 'Hello from Sedo!'

The forums have been monitored by other people in my absence and you will see that some of the posts were also answered while I was away. We do try and keep the points of contact to a minimum, though, so that you have a chance to 'bond' with your favourite Sedo rep. If you like...

As you know, the 60 day transfer rule only applies to transfers away from a certain registrar. We only require the seller to push to a Sedo account in the event that the buyer is unwilling to set up an account at the seller's registrar. By asking the seller to push to our account, it allows us to speed up payment to our sellers (which is obviously most of you guys). Wherever possible, we do try to carry out a standard transfer (e.g. enom to godaddy via transfer request) if a buyer is unwilling to set up an account at the seller's registrar to enable a push.

This is basically the crux of the issue: it is no secret that a great many people had bad experiences with registrars of .in domains - particularly those registrars which were first offering registrations such as Directi and Goodluckdomains. It is therefore fairly unlikely that people would want to set up an account at these registrars to enable a push when there are more reputable firms offering the service, such as enom.
For this reason, and not out of laziness, we put the 60 day restriction notice simply to make users aware that, after the initial rush to register the .in names at lesser-known registrars, they will not be able to transfer them to their favourite registrar until the 60 day period is over.

As far as cultural ineptitude is concerned, it is entirely false to say we have bad relationships with registrars. We have excellent relationships with all the big registrars, including godaddy, enom and 1&1. Ever month, we make over 1,000We have an office in Boston full of Americans which caters for our US customers and registrars. We also have an office in Cologne with German, British, Irish, American, French, Spaniard, Russian, Korean, Chinese and Portuguese reps. I'd say that's a fair chunk of the market covered. We do everything we can to keep abreast of the market in every area we are active in (our Boston CEO and Head of Spanish Operations are currently at the ICANN conference in Argentina).

I apologise again that some of you are unhappy with the note on the selling page. As I said, it will be gone on the 15th.

Hope you all have a good week.

Ed

Key Account Manager
UK Marketing Associate
_______________________________________________

SEDO.CO.UK :: Buy and Sell Domain Names and Websites
tel within UK 0871 900 8450 :: fax 0871 900 8451
tel +49 221.420.758.156 :: fax +49 221.420.758.11
tel (US) (877)-349-5902 :: fax (212)-202-3951
email: [email protected] :: http://www.sedo.co.uk

_______________________ :: make a name for yourself.