LLLL Bubble.

[Credit]

Too much supply...not enough demand...you guys remember the US real estate scenario?

I think the same thing will happen with the LLLL.coms

I don't think there's ever been a time when any kind of good domains have fallen significantly in price--these guys will be first.

With over half a million domains, the demand can only go so far--the internet can't expand forever.

The good premium LLLLs will of course stay--I have nothing against CVCV..and maybe some VCVC, and some brandables or generics, or pronouncables---but that's only a handful--not even half and even they will lower in price.

The domainers--resellers themselves blow up the bubble, creating a partial demand among other resellers--inflating the price beyond what they are worth.

What I see some LLLLs go for is just ridiculous I think...mostly xxx prices for domains worth no more than mid xx.

The majority of LLLLs have horrible brandability because of hard letter combinations and awful letters. Even 1 bad letter can ruin the whole domain to be worthless.

The lack of end-user demand and yearly renewal fee will eventually pop the the LLLL bubble and they'll start dropping...

Just my opinion...

 

[krossat]

and... how many do you own... let me guess... 0?

 

[Credit]

What does that have to do with anything?

And no, I don't own zero, but I don't have many. Just deciding whether to buy them up or not, and leaning towards a no.

 

[krossat]

1. you are trying to compare .us with .com
2. CVCV / VCVC are bound to get better. They are going nowhere but up.
3. Pronounceable / brandable LLLL is selling big and usability wise better than a crappy LLL. Price would always be lesser than a crappy LLL like QFZ but then they will sell faster.

The other forum has huge threads you need to read up on LLLL. Cant bother to type all that again.

 

[Credit]

Let me guess? You have many?

I have nothing against pronouncable and premium lllls....as I said in the first post

 

[krossat]

nah i dont have many, i've been selling many
I'm just saying pronounceable ones will get higher in value and get better with time. Loads are already getting developed cuz whatever is small and pronounceable , and thus memorable, is brandable.
And brandables are the thing of tomorrow. Web 2.0 per se!

 

[Credit]

agree with you on that one...CVCV and other good ones won't cease to dominate..

I just dont understand the hype about the llll buy-out. I mean..something like kqxz has 77 results on google.... no brandability at all--and there are many similar ones. What possible use can they have except for reseller to reseller.

 

[GUA]

Well I will sit and laugh when those who didnt invest in LLLL.com regardless of the quality realise the massive mistake they made.

 

[Theo]

All of you that missed the Chatroom party yesterday, we were having free XJZY beer

 

[acesfull]

Like any classification of domain names, with LLLL.coms, there are good ones, and not-as-good ones. There are no "bad ones," only ones that are less likely to be sold or less-likely to match up with good uses.

I don't care if an LLLL is a CVCV or VCVC, or any other description of letter combination. There are "more popular" letters and letter combinations. Sometimes a "crappy" LLLL can get traffic, for whatever reason - and that would certainly add value. Additional value can be attributed to the domain, if there are a variety of uses for the acronym, as you can check with a google search. Potential demand also adds value to an LLLL.com domain (with other extensions registered, if they are online, and how they are used).

Like any other type of domain, LLLL.coms will likely drop every day, and with the domain tasters and newbies, it is likely that LLLL.coms will get picked up as soon as they are dropped, which may mean any LLLL.coms will rarely be unregistered for long.

As many new people in non-US countries come online, demand for LLLL.coms, in general, may strengthen. As for "bad" letters, I have seen other countries, China in particular, that use them.

Another thing that could increase LLLL.com values may be implementations of new applications and/or devices that access the Internet for which short domains would be helpful.

Occasionally, an LLLL.com domain will start to get more traffic, because a new use for the acronym comes into existence and public use. It could be an acronym for a company, a new product, shorthand for a disease name, a new technology acronym, a phrase abbreviation or something totally unexpected.

Currently, the bulk of LLLL.coms (with "bad" letters) are limited in value, but just as LLL.com values have increased over the past 10 years, LLLL.coms should also increase in value. It may just take several years before some of those less-popular combinations see any big increases.

In 1999, I expected all LLLL.coms would be registered one day, and I thought it would have happened at least a year or two sooner.

 

[Creature]

I just dont understand the hype about the llll buy-out. I mean..something like kqxz has 77 results on google.... no brandability at all--and there are many similar ones. What possible use can they have except for reseller to reseller.

Not just a buy-out, it was the last dregs of the llll.coms. Still, you only have to sell for $20 to double your money, I guess that was the attraction.

 

[Alan Glennon]

Overall, the LLLL.com buyout progression was slow and steady. I believe the average was a net registration of 5000 additional domains per month for the last two years or so.

The buyout just indicates that the market value for a LLLL.com reached and slightly surpassed registration fee. There are no natural markers to measure whether a class of domains reaches twice registration fee (and thus automatically worth renewal), but I suspect that the market will not bear a 2X registration fee price for a random LLLL.com within a year.

What's likely is that many domainers will drop any unsold, poor names when they come for renewal, and others will continue to pick them up. Thus, I think the market will be quite volatile, but no widespread LLLL.com market "crash" will occur. I do expect many individual domainers will perceive a "crash" as they are unable to sell anywhere near their price expectations, but that's not the LLLL market -- just business.

 

[Theo]

Welcome to the wonderful world of 96-hour domain registrations.

Will these junky letters expire? Of course. Every 96 hours, making pennies ad infinitum while the registrants never pay a fee.

As long as ICANN won't put an end to the kiting loophole, the kiters will move to new territories, including brute-forced domain realms e.g. AAAA.com to ZZZZ.com

 

[Gerry]

Welcome to the wonderful world of 96-hour domain registrations.

Will these junky letters expire? Of course. Every 96 hours, making pennies ad infinitum while the registrants never pay a fee.

As long as ICANN won't put an end to the kiting loophole, the kiters will move to new territories, including brute-forced domain realms e.g. AAAA.com to ZZZZ.com

Not to mention countless each day dropping, expired, etc.

There may have been one slim moment in time when all may have appeared regged.

But if a scan were done right now, there may be a couple thousand now appearing as unregged.

Letters, names, characters, etc regged for the sake of regging does not equate to a good reg.

Yup, I said that.

 

[Theo]

I found an old scan file of mine from 9/18/2005

It contained 117,553 available LLLL .com names or roughly 25% of the namespace.

A lot of names were registered with a 2-year contract. Some are to expire in the next 30-60 days.

Look up "John Cleveland" - he owns several thousand!

 

[DomainMagnate]

Any idea on how many are going to expire within the next 2 months?

~MG

 

[PRED]

Got a 'free' list ?

 

[Gerry]

Total matches found: 483
To backorder multiple domains, use the checkboxes.

That is a search on pool.com of expiring and only a few (perhaps 5) days worth

 

[Theo]

Any idea on how many are going to expire within the next 2 months?

~MG

My guesstimate would be, several thousand.

 

[DomainMagnate]

My guesstimate would be, several thousand.

That's not many then.. they'll get registered quickly :yes:


~MG