LLLL.com's prices going down....?

[Compassion]

But as I see it (and again, I am not a LLLL investor so I may be completely off) those letter types are actually really good in the Chinese market which is the fastest growing segment and which is already developing a lot of LLLL's that we westerners view as junk letters.

Very good point, China constitutes 20% of the world population.

Some of my wack llll and 3 characters get most of their type ins from China.

 

[Reece]

I've made a profit >$70k buying, selling, reselling LLLL.coms over the last 6 months...

Acro is right about the endusers... The inquiries I've had so far have largely been for all premium LLLL.coms with 2 exceptions: LLLX and UOOO, neither of which is exactly a bad LLLL.com and neither of which is the kind of stuff that's been regged since the "hype" really started a year or so ago.

Like many of the absolute worst LLL.coms, I seriously doubt many LLLL.coms will ever find endusers in this lifetime... That being said, I do see value in them (if only as "domainer tokens") and do see them going up in value.

Some of the logic that went into me getting into the LLLL.com market seriously back in August of 2007 included analyzing the ever-strong CCC.com market and the LLL.mobi market. Most here will agree that both serve little purpose (no offense mobi-fans), yet both are valued very highly. If we look at the percentage of LLL.mobis owned by endusers, I can guarantee you it's lower on a percentage basis than the amount of LLLL.coms owned by endusers, nevermind the fact that dotcom is a much stronger extension than .mobi, yet these names still sell for ~ $200+ ...

Let's put this question another way... You are a believer in the future of the mobile web. You wish to establish a company that will serve the mobile market... Which will you choose? A $200 LLL.mobi that everyone is going to mistakenly type in as dotcom anyway or a $200 LLLL.com?

People like to bash LLLL.coms as a whole, but when we break it all down, their arguments are often nonsensical.

There are 83000+ all premium LLLL.coms. There are tens of thousands of "premium quality" LLLL.coms that take the form of pronounceables of many flavors, including but not limited to CVCV (BEVY $15,000), VCVC (UNET $100,000), CVVC (FOOM $21,000), VCCV (ATTY $48900)...

Double and Triple premiums, another category that represents a huge portion of the LLLL.com market has seen many high dollar value sales, such as QCAC @$7041, HEYJ @ $5000, QUEB @ $4088, XXAA @ $4088, SVAG @ $4080, MMMQ @ $3960, ...
Names that fall into the double or triple premium category might be "lottery tickets", but they certainly are more than domainer tokens!

As for the lowest quality domains, I agree that many of them seemingly have no endusers and may very well never have them... But the large majority of the stuff out there aren't anti-premiums -- there's actually only 6561 LLLL.coms out there with 4 bad/semi-premium letters, making these domains more than twice as rare as LLL.coms!

Are there enough domainers out there to buy these domains as collectibles, should they not materialize into anything else? Yes, I would say so... We've already seen it happen with CCC.coms...

 

[hash]

But the price's is not going down for VCCV

 

[Domainator]

OK, lets do a test...

ULQX.com

What will you pay for it.

Results of the test after it's sold....

 

[Reece]

I'll do 50 bucks k:

OK, lets do a test...

ULQX.com

What will you pay for it.

Results of the test after it's sold....

 

[domainstand]

To all the Naysayers......The key here is "they ain't making more of them" . As history has taught us so far, when any combination of letters or numbers can't be hand reg'd anymore, their price will continue to rise. It's a supply and demand issue. As more speculators come into the domain frontier, it becomes a collectible issue also. I don't think LLLL.com's will be fad, however growth will come in spurts just like the other similar past growth of LLL.com, L-L.com . I remember buying a crappy LLL.com in 2001 for $250, sold it in early 2003 for $750.

A pretty nice profit in two years time.... none the less. So let the profit takers come and go, because I say demand will dictate that today's lower premium $50 LLLL.com will eventually become a $150 LLLL.com and a higher premium $500 LLLL.com will become a $1500 one. The only question is how long will it take to reach each growth plateau. For my money, I think the buy and hold strategy in domains like these is a no brainer! BTW.. I want my crappy LLL.com back !

MY PREDICTIONS:

Lowest price for any LLLL.com will continue to rise, non prems fetching $100 by 2009. Quad premiums fetching $1200 around the same time.


Next wave... LL-L.coms & L-LL.coms - the boat is leaving soon, don't miss that one too !

 

[Domainator]

I'll do 50 bucks k:

Thank you Reece! OK that's fair market on a cccc.com. Does the vccc.com add value to a base of $50 bucks? If so how much?

 

[Reece]

I have similar predictions for what to expect in 2009. I've been shifting my money out of lower quality LLLL.coms into premiums which I believe will be more profitable over the next few years. I'd be very surprised if quad premiums weren't at least $1500 come 2009. $100 seems about right as a min wholesale, imho.

To all the Naysayers......The key here is "they ain't making more of them" . As history has taught us so far, when any combination of letters or numbers can't be hand reg'd anymore, their price will continue to rise. It's a supply and demand issue. As more speculators come into the domain frontier, it becomes a collectible issue also. I don't think LLLL.com's will be fad, however growth will come in spurts just like the other similar past growth of LLL.com, L-L.com . I remember buying a crappy LLL.com in 2001 for $250, sold it in early 2003 for $750.

A pretty nice profit in two years time.... none the less. So let the profit takers come and go, because I say demand will dictate that today's lower premium $50 LLLL.com will eventually become a $150 LLLL.com and a higher premium $500 LLLL.com will become a $1500 one. The only question is how long will it take to reach each growth plateau. For my money, I think the buy and hold strategy in domains like these is a no brainer! BTW.. I want my crappy LLL.com back !

MY PREDICTIONS:

Lowest price for any LLLL.com will continue to rise, non prems fetching $100 by 2009. Quad premiums fetching $1200 around the same time.


Next wave... LL-L.coms & L-LL.coms - the boat is leaving soon, don't miss that one too !

Thank you Reece! OK that's fair market on a cccc.com. Does the vccc.com add value to a base of $50 bucks? If so how much?

You're welcome mate I'll tell you straight-up, your name is worth about $65 bucks. Still want to sell it? I'm a pm away if so.

 

[rkbdomain]

Some of the logic that went into me getting into the LLLL.com market seriously back in August of 2007 included analyzing the ever-strong CCC.com market and the LLL.mobi market. Most here will agree that both serve little purpose (no offense mobi-fans), yet both are valued very highly. If we look at the percentage of LLL.mobis owned by endusers, I can guarantee you it's lower on a percentage basis than the amount of LLLL.coms owned by endusers, nevermind the fact that dotcom is a much stronger extension than .mobi, yet these names still sell for ~ $200+ ...

I have been interested in the economics of the CCC.com market for a while, I think my next analysis of random samples of websites to see what's developed will be the CCC's. As far as I can tell, their value derives solely from being scarce commodities and short domains. But it will be interesting to see to what extent they are actually developed websites, as I have found that many LLLL and NNNN's are actually real sites.

 

[Theo]

and acro were you serious when you said diamonds are rare?

I hope not.

Diamonds are as common as cow sh$t

Seriously though 90 -100 bottom by end 08

by 2012 200-300 bottom, largely in part to inflation, stagflation and deflation.

Join Madame Barron's palm reading network. Your figures are random.
It's like saying, "some time in 2008 it will rain in central America".

And please go dig in your back yard to find some "common as cow sh$t" diamonds

To all the Naysayers......The key here is "they ain't making more of them" . As history has taught us so far, when any combination of letters or numbers can't be hand reg'd anymore, their price will continue to rise. It's a supply and demand issue.

Educating the poor lemmings makes us "naysayers". So be it. But then you're propagandists to the 4th degree.

What history exactly of supply and demand?

I ask you to tell me: what end-user will buy a 2000-strong domain portfolio of random, jack-shit LLLL .com's? Will you buy it? Will other faithful ones in the domaining industry buy it?

Put your mouth where your money is, I challenge you to fork out $30 x 2000 then - that's a great investment for 2012!

Want to invest in LLLL .com's? Find the ones that are worth buying. They are priced high and they will appreciate with time; not because some moron bought a lot of LLLL .com's to claim appreciation across the entire namespace.

 

[mspin]

Next time your at your favorite bar or restaurant, ask someone if they happen to own any domain names..:?:

There will be a lot of people ready to bid up to get into the game. LLLL.com may cool off in the next few weeks or months but this is not played out yet imo. Buy quality and reg it for a few years and make a killing imo.
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[Reece]

I've had 2 large LLLL.com buyers in the last month who bought $16,000 and $25,000 worth of LLLL.coms respectively. I've had 2 other sales for $8000 apiece and many smaller ones in the less than $5000 range.

I do agree that quad premiums and other higher quality LLLL.coms are a much better investment, but there currently is a market for these lower quality names, even if it is a market based solely on hype and a market without any future...

Personally, I'll go where the money goes... I bought 600 quad premium LLLL.nets for $6.20 per 3 weeks back... Dumb investment? I'm reselling them in bulk now @ $10 per, netting myself a 61% ROI in all of 3 weeks.

I see alot of newer LLLL.com investors have that same mentality and see people like me as having been succesful in this market -- perhaps falsely thinking they can emulate this success by buying them now and holding them for a certain period of time...

Sadly for them, I do strongly believe the opportunity for quick flips has largely passed. You snooze, you lose and no amount of money is going to make someone investing today the 600%+ returns those of use who bought in pre-buyout have made.

Join Madame Barron's palm reading network. Your figures are random.
It's like saying, "some time in 2008 it will rain in central America".

And please go dig in your back yard to find some "common as cow sh$t" diamonds



Educating the poor lemmings makes us "naysayers". So be it. But then you're propagandists to the 4th degree.

What history exactly of supply and demand?

I ask you to tell me: what end-user will buy a 2000-strong domain portfolio of random, jack-shit LLLL .com's? Will you buy it? Will other faithful ones in the domaining industry buy it?

Put your mouth where your money is, I challenge you to fork out $30 x 2000 then - that's a great investment for 2012!

Want to invest in LLLL .com's? Find the ones that are worth buying. They are priced high and they will appreciate with time; not because some moron bought a lot of LLLL .com's to claim appreciation across the entire namespace.

 

[domainstand]

Re: Supply and Demand......I think I did reply when I said I bought a crappy LLL.com . which had zq and 1 premium. No end user use really.... just collectible.

That is history, isn't ?

 

[Theo]

Re: Supply and Demand......I think I did reply when I said I bought a crappy LLL.com . which had zq and 1 premium. No end user use really.... just collectible.

That is history, isn't ?

Yawn....I asked about supply and demand in the LLLL .com namespace. And your argument is how you invested in a 3 letter .com?

It's like saying: I know diamonds are priceless, I will invest in silver.

The problem is, silver and diamonds are two different horses. And before you get too excited, random letter LLLL's are not on a par with silver either.

We're beating a dead horse here.

I am not going to change your mind, nor do I change mine, based on experience and direction. But to create endless threads citing how wonderful all LLLL .com's are, while listing a crapload of LLLL domains at the same time in the sales forum is hypocritical. Want to be unbiased? Step back and see which names are worth buying and which aren't, based on objective industry criteria, not on mob logic.

Incidentally, we have a new forum for listing "4 chars and less" long domains, please use it.

 

[tzsxc]

Acroplex is mostly right. The history of LLLL.com registration has some very strong hands. The last burst of registration are IMO in the hands of questionable strength at best. This will most dictate where LLLL.com are going. No one can predict but they are the riskiest investment in this space(unless the chinese start buying all the qxyz). I think any prediction of lowest price will depend on who are the last batch of holders. I would like to know who they are

 

[domainstand]

Put your mouth where your money is, I challenge you to fork out $30 x 2000 then - that's a great investment for 2012!

Want to invest in LLLL .com's? Find the ones that are worth buying. They are priced high and they will appreciate with time; not because some moron bought a lot of LLLL .com's to claim appreciation across the entire namespace.

I'll take your challenge!

LLLL.com for $30 ??? Each ????


Do you have them for sale, or should I jump into my time machine!

 

[Reece]

Agree 100% Acro. I'm quite happy both major domain name forums have made a separate category for short domains as this should stop the endless supply of newbies from putting their money in them and we'll finally get a chance to really see if some LLLL.coms were hype or not...

It's easy enough to make money in this industry without scamming newbies by telling them one thing and then doing another (sound familiar LLLL.com/.mobi domainers? )

We're beating a dead horse here.

I am not going to change your mind, nor do I change mine, based on experience and direction. But to create endless threads citing how wonderful all LLLL .com's are, while listing a crapload of LLLL domains at the same time in the sales forum is hypocritical. Want to be unbiased? Step back and see which names are worth buying and which aren't, based on objective industry criteria, not on mob logic.

Incidentally, we have a new forum for listing "4 chars and less" long domains, please use it.

I was offered 400 LLLL.coms for $15 each a little over a month ago. These names now sell for ~ $50-$60 per. You wouldn't have to go that far back in time :shy:

I'll take your challenge!

LLLL.com for $30 ??? Each ????


Do you have them for sale, or should I jump into my time machine!

 

[Jacksplat]

I dropped most of my LLLL.com last year. Holding them isnt worth the regfee when they arent significant or lack potential as a usefull acronym.

I did keep my LLLL with traffic and revenue though, there are some strangley enough that do well.

 

[domainstand]

I was offered 400 LLLL.coms for $15 each a little over a month ago. These names now sell for ~ $50-$60 per. You wouldn't have to go that far back in time :shy:

That's my opinion, just my two cents, and we'll have to look back in a year and see ! Kudos to Acro and Reece for another intelligent discussion!

 

[BLazeD]

I think the whole domain market is down right now