Microsoft Legal, let's chat

[Focus]

The typosquatters are our "undesireables" just like Jews and gays and gypsies were in Nazi Germany. You shouldn't let someone come in here and search for them. Even if no posts one new TM name, this forum contains a lot of history.

:uhoh: um did he just say that..

What a comparison...ummm yeah...except this is'nt Nazi Germany bro..

 

[whydna]

I didn't think you invited them here Adam, but I'm surprised you don't care why they're here. You're forum has been co-opted by an outside force. Someone other than just you is now sending a message of what can and can't go on here in the forum. You may agree with the message this time. You may not agree with it next time.

The typosquatters are our "undesireables" just like Jews and gays and gypsies were in Nazi Germany. You shouldn't let someone come in here and search for them. Even if no posts one new TM name, this forum contains a lot of history.

So Duckinla, what do you suggest/think should be done?

 

[Duckinla]

Edit; cheap shot.

 

[JuniperPark]

Again, he signed up on his own.

I did not ask anyone to come and police the forum, despite popular opinion.

I welcome him here like all other members.

People read way too much into everything, this is not the Kennedy bullet.

-=DCG=-

A FORUM is about discussion, GIVE and TAKE.

We can all recognize what a legal department can TAKE from a forum like this, but what does he intend to GIVE? I think the thread starter here is suggesting he's proven he's not here to GIVE anything; only to take.

That make him (or anyone else who only TAKEs), a BAD person to have as a forum member.

Add to this the fact the Microsoft is well known for unethical and illegal business tactics, and I think you'll understand why this member is not welcomed among forum members who are here to share ideas and information. Perhaps that should be written into the rules here: If you're not here to discuss, buy, or sell domains, you're not welcome.

 

[Duckinla]

To be fair he hasn't done much wrong anyway apart from choosing a soppy name.

No reason to do anything when there's literaly thousands of old threads to be audited. That could take six months of full time work. Anyone who thinks they are safe because they sold rather than bought a microsoft TM...I think not. There's enough evidence here against so many members to show knowledge of the law, disdain for the law, pattern of behaviour, etc, etc. And now it will be openly audited by a microsoft attorney? I'm just glad I stuck mostly to the politics forum. I guess I've said my piece. I don't think I'm at any risk, at least not compared to some here.

 

[VirtualT]

A FORUM is about discussion, GIVE and TAKE.

We can all recognize what a legal department can TAKE from a forum like this, but what does he intend to GIVE? I think the thread starter here is suggesting he's proven he's not here to GIVE anything; only to take.

That make him (or anyone else who only TAKEs), a BAD person to have as a forum member.

Add to this the fact the Microsoft is well known for unethical and illegal business tactics, and I think you'll understand why this member is not welcomed among forum members who are here to share ideas and information. Perhaps that should be written into the rules here: If you're not here to discuss, buy, or sell domains, you're not welcome.

I agree with this 100%, to announce his arrival here and then not participate in the forum in any capacity, is not showing good faith or good intentions in my opinion.

To me it stinks to high heaven of another Micro$oft bully tactic

 

[Focus]

Hey Mocus, are you still trying to sell Yahoo<edited>.com?

You see? There's a lot of ****ing history on this forum.

Are you angry that not everyone agrees MS Legal is the big bad wolf?
And who said I did'nt have any TM domains 6 months ago? And what does that have to do with the tea in china? 90% of us have have typo or TM names and either sold them or used them for parking revenue, in fact the best earning domains have almost ALWAYS been infringing on someones rights, that why they get traffic genius! Whats that saying? "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone?"

 

[Ian]

No matter what is said here...one thing is clear that microsoftlegal is lurking somewhere in the DNforum. Microsoftlegal should have been left to explain himself without closing his introduction thread. Otherwise such debates like these could have been avoided.

 

[Focus]

Simply put...MS is definitely the wrong company to mess with as far as owning infringing domains...whether they have someone here scanning for violations or not...times are changing and we all have to be a little more civilized and realize that the actions of yesteryear actually HURT companies business, some of these businesses are alot more agressive in defending their intellectual property rights than others, and rightfully so...what would you do if it was YOUR company?

 

[HHDomains]

If you are feeling indimidation then that is your problem.
Why should Adam prevent a legitimate company from monitoring a forum for potential violations of the LAW?
That's like saying forums should prevent law enforcement from monitoring forums that could possibly give evidence of child molestation.
The law is the law.

Take off the tin foil hat and stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Focus]

The foil hat keeps the aliens from reading your mind dude...duh

 

[Duckinla]

Are you angry that not everyone agrees MS Legal is the big bad wolf?

I don't think I have a history of being irrational or histyrical. The arrival of Microsoft Legal was a precedent setting event and worthy of discussion. I get angry when you dismiss my arguement with a trite comment rather than counter it with an arguement of your own.

I get concerned because people don't understand that this is how decison making gets co-opted. I use the reference to Nazi's because they were masters of it. You can alter the future decisions of governments without taking over and without firing a shot. Now, every decison Adam makes in regards to DNF has to taken into account that Microsoft Legal is overtly watching.

 

[Focus]

What is Adam supposed to do? Dude, I completely understand and appreciate and respect your point of view, trust me I do. But is this an event or matter that will determine the future and success of yourself and DNF? NO, unless you make a living from Microsoft infringing domains there seriously is nothing to worry about...and they DO have a right to be here like me and you do. There have been companies trolling these threads for years my friend...I'm glad you have the confidence and pride to question this matter and there is nothing wrong with that...same as others are entitled to their input..thats what this forum is all about really...just sharing different points of view with your business peers and trying to put it all together somehow. You, me, MS Legal, Adam...we are all on the same team somehow. :hippie:

Refer to "The Happy Thread" to feel the love man.

 

[Duckinla]

OK, thanks. I probably shouldn't have put up that thread but I was trying to make the point that this issue is not just about the future. The past can be far more damaging. Also, if I had a dislike for a member here and knew they had microsoft tm's, I could post those names to draw attention to them.

What I think Adam should do:
1) Get a better understanding of why Microsoft legal is here.
2) Create a new level of exclusivity that includes having your information vetted to determine that you qualify and are there for the right reasons.
3) Purge historical threads in a timely manner, maybe 30 days after the last post. Or leave access to those threads only for the ultra-exclusive members who have had their information vetted. By vetted, I'm talking about way beyond the "verified" seal.

 

[Focus]

As far as "old dirt" ...you could add a disclaimer in your signature that all posts and sales are for "entertainment and illustrative purposes only" and "information and descriptions cannot be copied, saved, transmitted or reproduced in any way shape or form without express permission" from yourself of course..which you would decline if ever asked. Then theres the issue of someone or "them" securing a search warrant for email records, financial statements, escrow records, and so on and so forth to prove a transaction took place and getting the cooperation of both the buyer & seller..as you can see this would be a real mission and is somewhat far fetched..I'm not saying it could'nt be done (it very well could be) but it would have to be for a really really good reason imo.

Best bet? Just leave those TM's alone...everyone had their fun in the last few years and it's time for us all to move forward and put that phase of domaining behind us and say THANK YOU to the companies that have tolerated our nonsense thus far and watched patiently without taking severe legal actions as of yet..Let me say THANK YOU on behalf of us all. k:

What does the future hold for us domainers? How to replace that income when your typos are all gone? DEVELOP DEVELOP DEVELOP then you will have people registering typos of your domains and thats where the fun starts and you can play the game from the other side of the coin!

 

[Dave Zan]

I have a problem with intimidation.

I do too. But up to a certain point.

I personally don't have any justifiable reason to be intimidated by Microsoft
Legal. I have no Microsoft-held trademark infringing domain names, and s/he
hasn't PMd me for any reason.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how exactly is Microsoft Legal intimidating
aside from the username and the posts s/he made so far?

And no, Adam doesn't have to do anything unless someone makes a valid legit
complaint to him about Microsoft Legal or any other member.

 

[Chelsea]

The way I understand, Duckinla would feel better or at least different about the situation if MS Legal actually had taken part in any discussions. As he never posts anything here, there is a slight doubt about his intentions being here...is the purpose really just to learn or to find information about TM domains?
Yet, if it was only to find information it would have been a lot easier to sign up with a different user name.

Maybe MS Legal just does not have enough time to participate as he wants, maybe he will take part in the future, there are a lot of members that were around for some (longer) time before they became active.

From my point of view, the simple fact that he did NOT sign up under any other name shows that he has nothing to hide...
But only time will tell.

 

[mjnels]

personally i dont care if MS legal IS here to bully domainers with TM'd domains... there is no legitimate arguement of why they shouldnt do this. PERIOD!


Think about it.... it may come off as intimidating but so what.

for years domainers with TM'd domains made money off microsoft without much consequences... now the bigger man has stepped in, so what?

thats life. thats evolution. things change.

the internet wildwest is now leaving us...and has been gone for quite some time IMO..


buckle your seatbelts... the next rest stop is in 10 years, so hope you aint gotta pee..

 

[typist]

for years domainers with TM'd domains made money off microsoft without much consequences... now the bigger man has stepped in, so what?

if anyone here feels uncomfortable about his/her microsoft tm traffic domain, simply pm me and I will take the burden off your shoulders (of course I will pay you adequately for your trouble, and if appropriate make the domains available to MS in due course at no charge to them).

 

[italiandragon]

that`s interesting...I`m waiting him to buy my Microfost names too .