size.com, distribute.com, etc.

[edg]

Does anyone know anything about seller "gabrpryr" on eBay? He has some nice names up for auction, but the whois information raises questions. I tried calling the number listed for size.com but got a modem or fax machine.

REGISTRATION DETAILS (size.com):

Registrant:
Ilin, Alexandr (SIZE-DOM)
1455 Tallevast Road
Sarasota, FL 34243
US

Domain Name: SIZE.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Ilin, Alexandr (SMNSALXENI) [email protected]

1455 Tallevast Road
Sarasota, FL 34243
US
941-879-0005

Record expires on 23-Sep-2010.
Record created on 22-Sep-1995.
Database last updated on 4-Dec-2002 18:22:01 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.SIZE.COM 211.230.152.174
NS2.SIZE.COM 211.230.152.175

REGISTRATION DETAILS (distribute.com):

Registrant:
Ilin, Alexandr (DISTRIBUTE-DOM)
Chytron 5
Nicosia, Nicosia 1075
CY

Domain Name: DISTRIBUTE.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Ilin, Alexandr (TNWLZBPMPI) [email protected]

Chytron 5
Nicosia, Nicosia 1075
CY
370-5-2664610

Record expires on 25-May-2007.
Record created on 24-May-1995.
Database last updated on 4-Dec-2002 18:22:34 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.DISTRIBUTE.COM 24.95.192.230
NS2.DISTRIBUTE.COM 24.95.192.231

REGISTRATION DETAILS (bottle.com):

Registrant:
Ilin, Alexandr (BOTTLE4-DOM)
Senovazne Namesti 32
Prague, cz 11403
CZ

Domain Name: BOTTLE.COM

Administrative Contact:
Ilin, Alexandr (KUBVXUJGQI) [email protected]

Senovazne Namesti 32
Prague, cz 11403
CZ
+ 42-02-24194348 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
Ilin, Alexandr (DNTJAGTKII) [email protected]

Senovazne Namesti 32
Prague, cz 11403
CZ
+ 42-02-21494348 123 123 1234

Record expires on 03-Jan-2003.
Record created on 02-Jan-1998.
Database last updated on 4-Dec-2002 18:23:06 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.BOTTLE.COM 68.41.204.18
NS2.BOTTLE.COM 68.41.204.19

 

[draqon]

those smell like stolen domains, and trying to pawn them off on ebay doesnt increase my trust of the fellow.

 

[Fearless]

One thing that's consistent is the name servers use of the domain names being sold. Wonder if he tricked NSI into using his name servers.

 

[edg]

Greg:

Do you know that this guy tried to sell 83.com on eBay last month?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2067773852

It looks like you are the current registrant. Did you recently acquire this name?

Registration Service Provided By: Motherboards.com
Contact: [email protected]
Visit: http://www.motherboards.com

Domain name: 83.com

Registrant Contact:
Motherboards.com
DNS Admin ([email protected])
(979) 776-1566
FAX: (801) 760-4458
4700 Elmo Weedon Road #107
College Station, TX 77845
US


Administrative Contact:
Motherboards.com
DNS Admin ([email protected])
(979) 776-1566
FAX: (801) 760-4458
4700 Elmo Weedon Road #107
College Station, TX 77845
US


Billing Contact:
Motherboards.com
DNS Admin ([email protected])
(979) 776-1566
FAX: (801) 760-4458
4700 Elmo Weedon Road #107
College Station, TX 77845
US


Technical Contact:
Motherboards.com
DNS Admin ([email protected])
(979) 776-1566
FAX: (801) 760-4458
4700 Elmo Weedon Road #107
College Station, TX 77845
US

 

[Fearless]

Originally posted by edg
Greg:

Do you know that this guy tried to sell 83.com on eBay last month?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2067773852

It looks like you are the current registrant. Did you recently acquire this name?

Registration Service Provided By: Motherboards.com
Contact: [email protected]
Visit: http://www.motherboards.com

Domain name: 83.com

Registrant Contact:
Motherboards.com
DNS Admin ([email protected])
(979) 776-1566
FAX: (801) 760-4458
4700 Elmo Weedon Road #107
College Station, TX 77845
US


Administrative Contact:
Motherboards.com
DNS Admin ([email protected])
(979) 776-1566
FAX: (801) 760-4458
4700 Elmo Weedon Road #107
College Station, TX 77845
US


Billing Contact:
Motherboards.com
DNS Admin ([email protected])
(979) 776-1566
FAX: (801) 760-4458
4700 Elmo Weedon Road #107
College Station, TX 77845
US


Technical Contact:
Motherboards.com
DNS Admin ([email protected])
(979) 776-1566
FAX: (801) 760-4458
4700 Elmo Weedon Road #107
College Station, TX 77845
US

If you call November 13th recent, then yes.

 

[tonyk2000]

Previous registrar info for distribute.com:
Registrant:
The Stirling Bridge Group, LLC (DISTRIBUTE-DOM)
23342 Madero Road Suite F
Mission Viejo
CA,92691
US

Domain Name: DISTRIBUTE.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Kirker, John (JK12863) [email protected]
The Stirling Bridge Group, Inc.
1748 W. Katella Ave. Suite 106
Orange, CA 92867
US
714-744-5445 949-707-1535

Record expires on 25-May-2007.
Record created on 24-May-1995.
Database last updated on 9-Nov-2002 02:52:29 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.STIRLINGBRIDGE.COM 209.249.196.10
NS2.STIRLINGBRIDGE.COM 209.249.196.11

THE DOMAIN STIRLINGBIRDGE.COM WAS RECENTLY REGISTERED AT ENOM ON Start of registration: 11/18/2002 14:10:35

SO THOSE ARE STOLEN DOMAINS
CAN ANYBODY REPORT THIS ? Sorry I'm not in US any my legal knowledge is limited.

 

[tonyk2000]

Registrant:
Size, Inc. (SIZE-DOM)
2127 Sawtelle Blvd. Ste. A
Los Angeles
CA,90025
US

Domain Name: SIZE.COM

Administrative Contact:
Onishi, Yoko (YO327) [email protected]
Size Inc.
2127 Sawtelle Blvd.
West Los Angeles , CA 90025
626.296.5561
Technical Contact:
Internet Domain Administrator (ID4620-ORG) [email protected]
Covad Communications Company
112 Chesley Drive
Suite 100
Media, PA 19063
US
610-566-2993
Fax- - 610-566-1327

Record expires on 23-Sep-2010.
Record created on 22-Sep-1995.
Database last updated on 12-Nov-2002 23:54:02 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.COVAD.NET 66.134.199.11
NS2.COVAD.NET 66.134.199.12

 

[tonyk2000]

Registrant:
Power Bottle USA (BOTTLE4-DOM)
3100 S Yale St
Marina Del Rey
CA,90292
US

Domain Name: BOTTLE.COM

Administrative Contact:
Richard Green (RG457-ORG) [email protected]
Chloee
3100 S Yale St
Marina Del Rey , CA 90292
US
310-8270156
Technical Contact:
Jacobson, Mervyn (MJ259) [email protected]
Computrix
939 Harding Ave
Venice, CA 90291
(310) 821-8996 (FAX) (310) 578-2233

Record expires on 03-Jan-2003.
Record created on 02-Jan-1998.
Database last updated on 8-Nov-2002 20:00:19 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.TIO.COM 216.73.109.3
NS2.TIO.COM 216.73.109.4

 

[edg]

tonyk2000, that's useful info. Looks like stirlingbirdge.com was a typo of stirlingbridge.com, so all someone had to do was register stirlingbirdge.com to have full control over the domain name.

With the other domains, the original email accounts probably lapsed and were available for registration. There are probably thousands of domain names with at least one contact being an expired hotmail, yahoo, or ISP account that anyone can register.

eBay shows that the same seller had or has these names for auction:

bedroom.org
83.com
bottle.com
exw.com
zvi.com
342.com
distribute.com
k4.com
size.com

Do you have similar historical whois data for the other names not listed above?

 

[tonyk2000]

I have one more. But no info on other domains you listed

Registrant:
Executive Web Design (EXW2-DOM)
2 Whitey Court
null
US

Domain Name: EXW.COM

Administrative Contact:
Basile, Robert (RB14743) [email protected]
Executive Web Design
2 Whitey Court
Epping , NH 03042
603/895-9365 (FAX) 603/895-2034
Technical Contact:
Administrator, Domain (YTZ22) [email protected]
Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
US
+1 408 349 3300 +1 408 349 3301

Record expires on 26-Nov-2005.
Record created on 27-Nov-1997.
Database last updated on 6-Nov-2002 11:58:03 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS8.SAN.YAHOO.COM 66.218.71.205
NS9.SAN.YAHOO.COM 64.58.79.83

 

[jkirker]

This is correct. This domain was hi-jacked from myself.

I'm working with netsol to to get it back.

Thank You Eric G (EDG) for bringing this to my attention.

Best Regards,
John Kirker

 

[tonyk2000]

John, always take care about validity of your e-mails contact addresses!
and you had somewhat good luck - as previous contact info for the domain have been tracked by e-e-e.. honest domainers ... so EDG could contact you.

 

[jkirker]

I just wanted to write and communicate that having a reciept for something purchased doesn't always guarantee that legal ownership of property has been transfered.

For example, if I stole a car, then sold it to you, but provided you a reciept, then you in turn sold it to someone else, provided them a reciept, you would still be liable to the party you sold said car to if the rightful owner of the vehicle claimed ownership and took posession of the car.

Unfortunately, if the rightful owner of the domain which you purchased claims his domain back which may have been fradulatently transfered, the purchasing party could sue you for not only the funds paid to you for the property but also could sue for additional damages should a business be set up using said domain and advertising dollars spent marketing it. You then would likely have to go after the person you purchased the un-owned property from to reclaim your funds. Unfortunately you have a legitamate business and likely have some assets. The chain would then continue.

It's a scarey situation. Unfortunately there is no system such as that which is used to transfer property like houses, etc. for domains. One will surely be established at some point in time though.

John

 

[dkny]

Wow! it's a scary business. I wonder how many domains were stolen and how many stolen ones I bought.

How can one ensure that the domain is bought from the rightful owner? Does the signed contact help? For example, I bought a domain thru sedo.co.uk. The buyer and I signed the contract. Does that prevent me from liability? If the domain was a stolen domain, does Sedo has liability too?

 

[GeorgeK]

Nameguy refunded my Paypal transaction for exw.com, so he's shown himself to be honourable in all this.

The name is back at NSI in the hands of that "Alexander Ilin", see WHOIS, and eNom isn't exactly sure how they yanked it back while it was locked.

12/06/02 12:48:22 whois exw.com
.com is a domain of USA & International Commercial
Searches for .com can be run at http://www.crsnic.net/

whois -h whois.crsnic.net exw.com ...
Redirecting to NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.

whois -h whois.networksolutions.com exw.com ...
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Registrant:
Ilin, Alexandr (BNXBJJFRJD)
Senovazne Namesti 32
Prague, cz 11403
CZ

Domain Name: EXW.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Ilin, Alexandr (DNTJAGTKII) [email protected]

Senovazne Namesti 32
Prague, cz 11403
CZ
+ 42-02-21494348 123 123 1234

Record expires on 26-Nov-2007.
Record created on 06-Dec-2002.
Database last updated on 6-Dec-2002 12:48:35 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.LOFFS.COM 66.51.115.132
NS2.LOFFS.COM 216.194.64.4

 

[jkirker]

On that whois you'll notice that the record was created on 12/6/2002

Looks like it was deleted and reissued. ????

Funny stuff going on......

 

[jkirker]

I'm not an attorney but I can smell a class action suit brewing against NSI for not setting up a system that keeps things legal.

They used to require a notarized document to be sent to them for ownership transfer. I did not know that this had ever changed. If it has, and ownership transfers can be handled without their assistence and they provide the system for doing so and this type of thing happens I'm thinking they may be the liable party but not sure.

So long as they are able to return the property to its rightful owner they should be clear. It's the middle man that could be screwed in my eyes.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

John

 

[GeorgeK]

John: NSI creates a new creation date for new transfers to them (all of UltSearch's names are like that too). However, the scary part is that it could be yanked back while it was locked, and apparently without eNom's consent.

 

[draqon]

hmm, a thief being able to yank a domain back to NSI even while it is locked at a different registrar, and without the registrar's permission, is a very unnerving precedent. It certainly lends credence to RacerX's theory that it is someone on the inside at NSI, who is doing the stealing, or assisting with the stealing.

 

[tonyk2000]

Although direct NSI customers are obliged to submit notarized papers to change ownership, some of their RESELLERS are able to change ownership without such a paper. I have purchased a domain from Namezero once and the ownership was changed on-fly.